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Post by talkingheads on Feb 21, 2022 17:28:30 GMT
This isn't just idiotic, it's cruel, and also completely counterproductive, because without sick pay people cannot isolate!
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 21, 2022 17:53:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 18:15:38 GMT
Second booster in the Spring for the elderly and people with certain medical conditions apparently? I’ve been very happy to be vaccinated and boosted at the Government’s bidding but that will be 4 jabs for the same disease in a little over 12 months. It does make you wonder how effective the vaccine is, if that’s really necessary. I’m not sure I’d be as willing to do it again if asked. Why would you not be as willing now to have another dose of something you've already had? That makes no sense whatsoever. |
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Post by southstreet on Feb 21, 2022 18:20:10 GMT
I mean, if it wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious.
We still recommend that you isolate for five days if you have Covid, which you will only know you've got if you are trying to be responsible and pay for the test yourself after having symptoms or before visiting vulnerable friends or family. However, we want you to pay out of your own pocket to keep other people safe, not just a couple of quid for a test, but if you have it, please stay at home and don't have income for 3 of the five days we are recommending for you to isolate?
What planet do they live on? Only people that can work from home will have the luxury of trying to be responsible, everyone else will have to put people at risk or potentially not be able to pay rent or put food on the table. This is absolute madness!!!!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 21, 2022 18:58:26 GMT
Second booster in the Spring for the elderly and people with certain medical conditions apparently? I’ve been very happy to be vaccinated and boosted at the Government’s bidding but that will be 4 jabs for the same disease in a little over 12 months. It does make you wonder how effective the vaccine is, if that’s really necessary. I’m not sure I’d be as willing to do it again if asked. Why would you not be as willing now to have another dose of something you've already had? That makes no sense whatsoever. Because I can’t think of another vaccine that requires you to have 4 doses in such a short period of time. At what point do you cross the line between preventing disease and putting yourself at risk of overdosing on the medicine? |
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Post by zahidf on Feb 21, 2022 19:19:00 GMT
I mean, if it wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious. We still recommend that you isolate for five days if you have Covid, which you will only know you've got if you are trying to be responsible and pay for the test yourself after having symptoms or before visiting vulnerable friends or family. However, we want you to pay out of your own pocket to keep other people safe, not just a couple of quid for a test, but if you have it, please stay at home and don't have income for 3 of the five days we are recommending for you to isolate? What planet do they live on? Only people that can work from home will have the luxury of trying to be responsible, everyone else will have to put people at risk or potentially not be able to pay rent or put food on the table. This is absolute madness!!!! Worth pointing out that most countries charge for LFTs Most countries are also doing the same as us getting rid of restrictions. We aren't an outlier |
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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 21, 2022 20:07:22 GMT
I'm deeply disappointed but I can't say I'm surprised. The government have made it very clear that they don't give a damn if vulnerable people catch covid just as long as they don't do it all at once & overwhelm the NHS. It will be interesting to see if we end up with people taking their employers to court if they become seriously ill with covid having caught it from colleagues who came into work knowing that they were infectious. So the vaccine doesn't work then? Or are you still living in April 2020? My mother, whom I live with, is immunocompromised so although she has been vaccinated we do not know if the vaccine has been effective for her. There are somewhere in the region of a million and a half people in the UK who are likewise immunocompromised & goodness knows how many more with other medical vulnerabilities. That doesn't mean that the vaccines aren't working, but even for "normal" people the vaccines are not 100% effective. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 21:23:24 GMT
Why would you not be as willing now to have another dose of something you've already had? That makes no sense whatsoever. Because I can’t think of another vaccine that requires you to have 4 doses in such a short period of time. At what point do you cross the line between preventing disease and putting yourself at risk of overdosing on the medicine? Probably the point at which a qualified medical professional tells you based on medical science that you are overdosing rather than your own assumption? Most viruses against which we generally vaccinate don't mutate as fast as this one appears to be doing! |
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Post by Mark on Feb 21, 2022 21:34:02 GMT
I have no qualms having another vaccine in the future. But not of the current order. It would have to be specifically to target Omicron rather than for the original strain.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 21, 2022 22:36:38 GMT
Why would you not be as willing now to have another dose of something you've already had? That makes no sense whatsoever. Because I can’t think of another vaccine that requires you to have 4 doses in such a short period of time. At what point do you cross the line between preventing disease and putting yourself at risk of overdosing on the medicine? Have you seen a childhood vaccination schedule ever? Kids get 3 doses of vaccine for diphtheria, whooping cough and polio by the time they are 16 weeks old, a booster dose at 3 years old, and another booster dose at 14. And as a result virtually no-one has to worry about catching those diseases ever. A booster jab is just that - a boost to your immune system. It’s not a drug that you can overdose on. There’s been research looking at what happens if you get extra doses of other types of vaccines (which does happen when vaccination history is not know or when someone needs a vaccine that is only available as a combined jab) and there’s no evidence of adverse health effects - the only things reported to VAERS are the usual vaccination side-effects - sore arms, headaches, and temperatures. And they occur at the same rate as they do for the regular number of vaccinations. |
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Post by zahidf on Feb 21, 2022 23:50:04 GMT
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Post by Dan213 on Feb 22, 2022 0:30:25 GMT
Why would you not be as willing now to have another dose of something you've already had? That makes no sense whatsoever. Because I can’t think of another vaccine that requires you to have 4 doses in such a short period of time. At what point do you cross the line between preventing disease and putting yourself at risk of overdosing on the medicine? Overdosing?!? |
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 22, 2022 8:38:16 GMT
Johnson saying we need to learn from the Germans and not work when sick. German sick pay is 100% of their pay for six weeks. Ours is £96.28 a week. It's inhuman.
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Post by southstreet on Feb 22, 2022 9:39:36 GMT
Worth pointing out that most countries charge for LFTs Most countries are also doing the same as us getting rid of restrictions. We aren't an outlier Oh definitely, lots charge for LFTs but in most countries you can get still get free tests if needed, be it PCR or in person antigen tests, or at least for a lot less than 2-5 quid. I get the testing is expensive, but most people don't test regularly anyway, but I feel they should at least continue to provide something like three packs a month or so to people that have been shielding or are immunocompromised, so that they can keep themselves save in their own homes at least, by being able to have visiting friends, family, carers or tradespeople take a test before they enter the house. But that is not even really my point, generally what I'm most annoyed with is the messaging, of saying we recommend or advise that you isolate but we will not give you any support or incentive to do so, knowing full well that for millions of people this is just not feasible, as they will have the choice of following the recommendation to isolate or to follow the recommendation to pay their bills and feed themselves. |
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Post by zahidf on Feb 22, 2022 9:42:18 GMT
Worth pointing out that most countries charge for LFTs Most countries are also doing the same as us getting rid of restrictions. We aren't an outlier Oh definitely, lots charge for LFTs but in most countries you can get still get free tests if needed, be it PCR or in person antigen tests, or at least for a lot less than 2-5 quid. I get the testing is expensive, but most people don't test regularly anyway, but I feel they should at least continue to provide something like three packs a month or so to people that have been shielding or are immunocompromised, so that they can keep themselves save in their own homes at least, by being able to have visiting friends, family, carers or tradespeople take a test before they enter the house. But that is not even really my point, generally what I'm most annoyed with is the messaging, of saying we recommend or advise that you isolate but we will not give you any support or incentive to do so, knowing full well that for millions of people this is just not feasible, as they will have the choice of following the recommendation to isolate or to follow the recommendation to pay their bills and feed themselves. Oh i agree. I just think the focus has been on too much for masks/distancing e.t.c, and not enough on fixing the structural issues like low sick pay. Wearing masks permanently: not popular. Increasing sick pay: popular. I think the focus should be on structual stuff, would make more of an impact and be less divisive |
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Post by zahidf on Feb 22, 2022 11:14:49 GMT
Covid Pass wont be available domestically from April 1st onwards
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 22, 2022 16:26:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 16:37:04 GMT
Why would you not be as willing now to have another dose of something you've already had? That makes no sense whatsoever. Because I can’t think of another vaccine that requires you to have 4 doses in such a short period of time. At what point do you cross the line between preventing disease and putting yourself at risk of overdosing on the medicine? It would be 4 does in about 15 to 18 months for elderly and vulnerable but fit 18 year olds can have had 3 doses now. I think they have just added this to give "at risk" more prtection as they have taken everything else away. |
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Post by Jon on Feb 22, 2022 16:38:16 GMT
I imagine they'll be a point where boosters are only offered to those to require it like with the flu jab and the rest of the population will just be given an antiviral.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 16:39:53 GMT
Labour have talked about removing free tests by the summer so there is some political consensus here. Might there be a line of thinking they are less needed in April/May/June than they might be around next Xmas. It might give more flexability to bring them back if needed but hopefully we don't come to that.
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Post by meister on Feb 22, 2022 17:03:13 GMT
Daily cases update scrapped at weekends from this week and Saturday/Sunday cases lumped in with Monday.
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Post by Jon on Feb 22, 2022 17:18:20 GMT
Daily cases update scrapped at weekends from this week and Saturday/Sunday cases lumped in with Monday. I think this the start of the updates being phased out entirely. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 17:27:24 GMT
They are going to weekly updates in April I'd read so no surprise at weekends being taken out. In Wales and Scotland I think a couple of days are added together at weekend already.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 17:38:45 GMT
Wonder how Theatre companies will handle it if someone in show tests positive but feels okay would they be encouraged to perform. A lot would depend on who they are, probably wanting principals on more than emnsemble what about other cast members. Some shows have elder cast members too Pet Clark in Mary Poppins turns 90
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Post by craig on Feb 22, 2022 21:46:26 GMT
Daily cases update scrapped at weekends from this week and Saturday/Sunday cases lumped in with Monday. I think this the start of the updates being phased out entirely. Can’t come soon enough. The daily figures are what are keeping us completely on edge. Imagine if we knew the daily flu figures every year! |
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