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Post by Dawnstar on Feb 9, 2022 15:22:28 GMT
I'm deeply disappointed but I can't say I'm surprised. The government have made it very clear that they don't give a damn if vulnerable people catch covid just as long as they don't do it all at once & overwhelm the NHS. Unspoken: "But we're going to look the other way if your employer insists you go to work regardless." It will be interesting to see if we end up with people taking their employers to court if they become seriously ill with covid having caught it from colleagues who came into work knowing that they were infectious.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 16:31:19 GMT
I don't think the UK are acting differently to mist European countries, except in the sense they are doing it sooner than the others.All the western countries will be following these removal of restrictions by summer i reckon The difference is that other countries are doing it based on the scientific evidence and we're doing it on the basis of The Mirror publishing pictures of our PM getting pissed at a party that didn't happen and he didn't know about and didn't attend and was certainly not a social event.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 17:13:00 GMT
It will be interesting to see if we end up with people taking their employers to court if they become seriously ill with covid having caught it from colleagues who came into work knowing that they were infectious. If there is no legal obligation to isolate then I doubt they'll be able to sustain a case. If they have valid health reasons for working from home and employers don't accommodate it that may be different, but it seems the onus will be on the vulnerable to protect themselves and everyone else will be legally (if not morally) allowed to abdicate all responsibility for others in the Covid sense.
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Post by sfsusan on Feb 9, 2022 18:34:12 GMT
If there is no legal obligation to isolate then I doubt they'll be able to sustain a case. There may not be a case against the employer, but wouldn't there be a case against the person who acted recklessly by coming in to work (especially if they were unmasked)? I think there were successful cases like this when people with HIV/AIDS had unprotected sex, knowing they were contagious.
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Post by zahidf on Feb 9, 2022 20:11:39 GMT
If there is no legal obligation to isolate then I doubt they'll be able to sustain a case. There may not be a case against the employer, but wouldn't there be a case against the person who acted recklessly by coming in to work (especially if they were unmasked)? I think there were successful cases like this when people with HIV/AIDS had unprotected sex, knowing they were contagious. Well no. If you legally don't have to isolate if you're covid positive then there isn't a civil case . Unless you can prove they infected you on purpose (coughing in your face, getting too close to you) but I don't see how that can happen
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Post by zahidf on Feb 9, 2022 20:14:02 GMT
I don't think the UK are acting differently to mist European countries, except in the sense they are doing it sooner than the others.All the western countries will be following these removal of restrictions by summer i reckon The difference is that other countries are doing it based on the scientific evidence and we're doing it on the basis of The Mirror publishing pictures of our PM getting pissed at a party that didn't happen and he didn't know about and didn't attend and was certainly not a social event. Well yes, yes doing it earlier cos of his issues for sure. At the same time, countries like Netherlands and Sweden are removing all restrictions in the middle of a cases spike. But high cases don't mean massively high death or hospitlisation rates anymore cos of vaccination or omicron.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 9, 2022 20:56:23 GMT
I’m in Madrid at the moment. The mandatory masks outdoors requirement for Spain is lifted at midnight tonight.
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Post by olliebean on Feb 9, 2022 21:52:08 GMT
There may not be a case against the employer, but wouldn't there be a case against the person who acted recklessly by coming in to work (especially if they were unmasked)? I think there were successful cases like this when people with HIV/AIDS had unprotected sex, knowing they were contagious. Well no. If you legally don't have to isolate if you're covid positive then there isn't a civil case . Unless you can prove they infected you on purpose (coughing in your face, getting too close to you) but I don't see how that can happen I believe, however, there is a legal obligation on employers to take reasonable steps to provide a safe workplace, and there could be a case against the employer if they knowingly asked an infected employee to come in to work.
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Post by zahidf on Feb 9, 2022 22:21:08 GMT
Well no. If you legally don't have to isolate if you're covid positive then there isn't a civil case . Unless you can prove they infected you on purpose (coughing in your face, getting too close to you) but I don't see how that can happen I believe, however, there is a legal obligation on employers to take reasonable steps to provide a safe workplace, and there could be a case against the employer if they knowingly asked an infected employee to come in to work. Well they are looking to get rid of free testing except for hospitals/vulnerable people in April anyway Covid will be the same status as any other infectious disease though. It'd be very hard to prove where you caught Covid when it's prevalent in society enough to satisfy a court you definitely caught it during employment.
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 10, 2022 7:54:23 GMT
I just don't understand. People still need to isolate. Even if you do just have a cold, isolate. I do not want your germs, whether it's Covid or cold. If one good thing were to come from this, isolating when you're sick in any way should have become the norm.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Feb 10, 2022 8:57:54 GMT
I’m in Madrid at the moment. The mandatory masks outdoors requirement for Spain is lifted at midnight tonight. Wow
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Post by southstreet on Feb 10, 2022 9:53:48 GMT
I just don't understand. People still need to isolate. Even if you do just have a cold, isolate. I do not want your germs, whether it's Covid or cold. If one good thing were to come from this, isolating when you're sick in any way should have become the norm. I agree with that, but it needs the proper infrastructure around it. I am going to continue working from home for three days a week, so if I get ill, it's easy for me to just tell my boss I am not feeling well, it's better if I don't come into the office that day or week and I can continue doing my job. But if you work in a job in which you aren't able to work from home, isolating when ill only works if you get adequate sick pay, otherwise people will have to decide between paying their heating/putting food on the table or isolating.
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 10, 2022 10:03:46 GMT
I just don't understand. People still need to isolate. Even if you do just have a cold, isolate. I do not want your germs, whether it's Covid or cold. If one good thing were to come from this, isolating when you're sick in any way should have become the norm. I agree with that, but it needs the proper infrastructure around it. I am going to continue working from home for three days a week, so if I get ill, it's easy for me to just tell my boss I am not feeling well, it's better if I don't come into the office that day or week and I can continue doing my job. But if you work in a job in which you aren't able to work from home, isolating when ill only works if you get adequate sick pay, otherwise people will have to decide between paying their heating/putting food on the table or isolating. I quite agree. Society is simply broken and capitalism clearly doesn't work, but here we are.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 10, 2022 18:21:29 GMT
I’m in Madrid at the moment. The mandatory masks outdoors requirement for Spain is lifted at midnight tonight. Wow Pleased you enjoyed that titbit! Further news, yesterday while masks outdoors were mandatory there was about 99.5% compliance. Today when you didn’t need one anymore, it was still about 95% of people wearing them.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Feb 11, 2022 9:26:24 GMT
Pleased you enjoyed that titbit! Further news, yesterday while masks outdoors were mandatory there was about 99.5% compliance. Today when you didn’t need one anymore, it was still about 95% of people wearing them. Double Wow!! Perhaps they should have thought for their liberty and personal freedoms in Spain
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Post by lynette on Feb 15, 2022 11:01:11 GMT
Well done Spain. A while back in Japan, we saw people wearing masks and it looked random, mums with buggies but not their kids, business men walking but not people in shops, some people serving in shops but not all. V odd. Now I understand a bit more. Mind you , getting on the train there in the morning made it easier to comprehend. And guess who is going to be mask wearing til the summer?
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 15, 2022 15:46:04 GMT
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Post by isabel on Feb 15, 2022 16:12:04 GMT
All restrictions seem to be over , or heading that way. If people won’t have to isolate when they test Positive, what’s the point in the LF Tests. Personally I’m grateful I have a couple of Boxes of LF Tests, which I ordered few months back. So my family & I can use them whenever we need to. And I will still be wearing a mask
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Post by Jon on Feb 15, 2022 17:31:23 GMT
It was inevitable they would stop making LFTs free at some point.
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Post by SuttonPeron on Feb 15, 2022 18:28:27 GMT
Well done Spain. A while back in Japan, we saw people wearing masks and it looked random, mums with buggies but not their kids, business men walking but not people in shops, some people serving in shops but not all. V odd. Now I understand a bit more. Mind you , getting on the train there in the morning made it easier to comprehend. And guess who is going to be mask wearing til the summer? As someone in Spain, wearing masks outdoors has been an exaggeration with no scientific base. It was a cosmetic measure so the government could pretend they were doing something, and it didn´t last for long. Why wear one in the street and then take it off for dining at an indoor restaurant? It doesn´t make sense. Besides, many studies affirm that almost all of transmissions occur indoors.That being said, people usually wear masks indoors (unless eating) and don´t complain, which I´m glad about.
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Post by olliebean on Feb 15, 2022 23:26:20 GMT
It was inevitable they would stop making LFTs free at some point. Still, encouraging people to continue being responsible even though it's no longer mandatory, whilst simultaneously removing one of the main means by which people can continue to be voluntarily responsible, isn't exactly joined-up policy making.
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Post by christya on Feb 16, 2022 11:19:27 GMT
It's annoying, and I'll probably order a few boxes before the free ones are gone. I like to be able to test before meeting friends or going to the theatre, at the very least, and I don't want to have to pay for it.
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Post by jek on Feb 16, 2022 12:28:40 GMT
I am in the habit of popping in to neighbours (aged 89 and 90) a few times a week for a cuppa. They do have carers coming in but only three times a week and, especially as one of the couple has dementia (and no relatives living nearby), I think my visits perform a useful social function. I will be really reluctant to go in if I can't do a couple of lateral flow tests each week. There must be lots of people like me, offering a bit of social contact and support to elderly neighbours, in this position.
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Post by lynette on Feb 16, 2022 12:43:07 GMT
It was inevitable they would stop making LFTs free at some point. Still, encouraging people to continue being responsible even though it's no longer mandatory, whilst simultaneously removing one of the main means by which people can continue to be voluntarily responsible, isn't exactly joined-up policy making. It’s mean and silly. The sensible people want to stay sensible. Joined up went out of the window decades a go, but one might expect the last vestige of common sense to prevail….
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 16, 2022 12:51:37 GMT
Do we know how much a box of LFTs is now likely to cost?
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