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Post by talkingheads on Jan 10, 2022 21:09:32 GMT
I do think that’s optimistic, I think we will see at least one more extension to mid February to coincide with school half terms. Thats not what the govt are briefing "Data not dates" |
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Post by zahidf on Jan 10, 2022 22:07:11 GMT
Thats not what the govt are briefing "Data not dates" Lol they say it's based on the data they are getting.... |
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Post by zahidf on Jan 10, 2022 22:08:12 GMT
If its mandatory, it's a restriction... It's clear when it was voluntary that the majority of the people aren't willing to do it. Making them do it is a restriction! When people can't be voluntarily considerate, they make it clear that mandatory mask wearing is necessary. If people don't want restrictions, they have to learn some considerate behaviours on their own and unfortunately we've learnt a lot of people need to be threatened with fines before they'll think of others. If you can't get a buy in with a majority of people on a voluntary measure, I'm not sure the right approach is to make it mandatory. |
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Post by sfsusan on Jan 10, 2022 23:51:06 GMT
Distancing isn't 'minor'. You can forget about any theatre in that scenario Yes, but I was speaking of not dropping current restrictions, so wasn't thinking of distancing in the context of theater. (Although come to think of it, is distancing required/recommended anywhere, at this point?) I would love to see theaters run periodic distanced performances just like they run occasional relaxed performances. Ticket prices can be higher to compensate for the loss of revenue, but all COVID precautions would be strictly enforced... distancing, masking, etc. |
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Post by sfsusan on Jan 10, 2022 23:55:22 GMT
If you can't get a buy in with a majority of people on a voluntary measure, I'm not sure the right approach is to make it mandatory. Lots of things we consider "the right approach" today were made mandatory over popular objections, including wearing seat belts and the use of breathalyzers to deter drunk driving. www.bbc.com/future/article/20200902-why-people-object-to-laws-that-save-lives |
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Post by Dan213 on Jan 11, 2022 0:03:34 GMT
Lol they say it's based on the data they are getting.... 'they' being an unamed official, that could be absolutely anyone There is obviously talk over when things will be relaxed, as expected and has been a key discussion point for some weeks now. I wouldn't take the '26th Jan' from a complete unknown as anything near certainty. Put simply, its no more than a rumour |
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Post by zahidf on Jan 11, 2022 0:25:31 GMT
Lol they say it's based on the data they are getting.... 'they' being an unamed official, that could be absolutely anyone There is obviously talk over when things will be relaxed, as expected and has been a key discussion point for some weeks now. I wouldn't take the '26th Jan' from a complete unknown as anything near certainty. Put simply, its no more than a rumour Well 26th Jan is when the Plan B legislation expires and they'll need to renew it. Either by regulation or by a parliamentary vote (which they promised). So its not an arbitrary date. It's the FT as well, a reliable source for these things |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 12:17:57 GMT
They say the wearing of masks is mandatory but anyone can say they have an exemption and don't have to prove it so those who wish to get around the rule have an easy way to do so.
Very interesting comparision with the seatbelt rules too.
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Post by Mark on Jan 11, 2022 13:08:27 GMT
I can foresee the next James Graham political play already.
Title - "20/5/22"
Setting - Downing Street Garden
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Post by zahidf on Jan 12, 2022 7:33:48 GMT
Times reporting that the UK will be reducing the isolation period from 7 to 5 days (after 2 negative LFTs.). Due to be signed off on Thursday
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 12, 2022 16:57:52 GMT
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Post by lynette on Jan 12, 2022 18:22:58 GMT
I think the fall out, political, economic, psychological, is so huge that there will be many so called ‘stories’ coming out on any day and the media will pick which ones they want to push. They will always go for the personal, Johnson, Andrew , Dojkevic over the more nuanced financial stuff.
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Post by zahidf on Jan 13, 2022 12:39:27 GMT
Isolation cut to 5 days
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Post by Dan213 on Jan 13, 2022 16:25:19 GMT
Quite convenient this happens the day after the PM has been caught with his trousers down. If there's anything that demonstrates the motive for these changes then this is it. A scramble to find a new headline. I'm honestly not sure what 'science' they've been looking at for this one as pretty much everything out there suggests this is a pretty risky move, even with Lateral Flow Tests Intriguing that the PM himself has now decided to 'Self Isolate' for a week contrary to his own guidance, especially given how keen he has been to avoid self isolation in the past. Given that this is theatreboard, I think we can quite liken his position to a song in certain show playing at the Almeida at the moment |
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Post by zahidf on Jan 13, 2022 16:29:59 GMT
Quite convenient this happens the day after the PM has been caught with his trousers down. If there's anything that demonstrates the motive for these changes then this is it. A scramble to find a new headline. I'm honestly not sure what 'science' they've been looking at for this one as pretty much everything out there suggests this is a pretty risky move, even with Lateral Flow Tests Intriguing that the PM himself has now decided to 'Self Isolate' for a week contrary to his own guidance, especially given how keen he has been to avoid self isolation in the past. Given that this is theatreboard, I think we can quite liken his position to a song in certain show playing at the Almeida at the moment It seems it 5 full days, so actually on the 6th day you can leave isolation They've given their reasoning. You can disagree with it of course, but it seems like a reasonable move to me "The Department of Health and Social Care has sent out its news release about the decision to cut the minimum isolation period to five days, and it says that it could result in 7% of people leaving isolation when they are still infectious. " "DHSC says that after five full days of isolation, between 20% and 30% of people will still be infectious. But if they have to get two negative lateral flow tests before being allowed out of isolation on day six, UK Health Security Agency modelling suggests 7% of them will still be infectious. Under the current rules, the same modelling says 6% of people are still infectious when released from isolation on day seven. Because of the infection risk, people who leave isolation after two negative tests are still “strongly advised to wear face coverings and limit close contact with other people in crowded or poorly ventilated spaces, work from home if they can do so and minimise contact with anyone who is at higher risk of severe illness if infected with Covid”." |
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Post by zahidf on Jan 13, 2022 16:33:35 GMT
Massive drop in cases for England, almost 36% WoW by reporting date and that's with a fair bit of reporting lag catch up as well.
Hospitalisations are going down as well, and MV beds are staying static.
Looking like not putting restrictions in was the right call, as the situation in Scotland an Wales doesnt seem massively different to wha happened in England
Id be very surprised if Plan B is in place past the rveiew date of Jan 26th
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Post by Dan213 on Jan 13, 2022 16:40:41 GMT
Massive drop in cases for England, almost 36% WoW by reporting date and that's with a fair bit of reporting lag catch up as well. Hospitalisations are going down as well, and MV beds are staying static. Looking like not putting restrictions in was the right call, as the situation in Scotland an Wales doesnt seem massively different to wha happened in England Id be very surprised if Plan B is in place past the rveiew date of Jan 26th I'd take this with a bit of a pinch of salt, especially with the shift to lateral flow only testing for asymptomatic cases. Although positive LFTs are counted in the daily numbers, this is only if people self report, so a drop in cases was semi-expected with this. Not saying this is this only component though |
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Post by zahidf on Jan 13, 2022 16:51:08 GMT
Massive drop in cases for England, almost 36% WoW by reporting date and that's with a fair bit of reporting lag catch up as well. Hospitalisations are going down as well, and MV beds are staying static. Looking like not putting restrictions in was the right call, as the situation in Scotland an Wales doesnt seem massively different to wha happened in England Id be very surprised if Plan B is in place past the rveiew date of Jan 26th I'd take this with a bit of a pinch of salt, especially with the shift to lateral flow only testing for asymptomatic cases. Although positive LFTs are counted in the daily numbers, this is only if people self report, so a drop in cases was semi-expected with this. Not saying this is this only component though Wouldn't be the only reason for such a large drop. It's clearly not increasing exponentially any more |
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Post by southstreet on Jan 13, 2022 17:33:29 GMT
Apparently it's 22% less test processed than a week ago, so that definitely has a big part to play in the fall of numbers but we are definitely heading in the right direction, which is great.
I am still amused with people's obsession with wishing away Plan B though. It doesn't stop anyone from doing anything, so where is the problem? LOL
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Post by olliebean on Jan 13, 2022 22:39:40 GMT
I'm not sure anything much has changed in practice; you still have to isolate for up to 10 days until you get negative lateral flow tests on two consecutive days, and anecdotal evidence suggests most people aren't getting negatives yet on days 5 and 6. |
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Post by theatreian on Jan 13, 2022 22:42:23 GMT
Yes it's the minimum isolation period. It depends on achieving the negative lateral flow. Not a difficult concept but the media always seem to focus on a wrongly simplified version of the facts.
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Post by Roxie on Jan 13, 2022 23:13:52 GMT
Apparently it's 22% less test processed than a week ago, so that definitely has a big part to play in the fall of numbers but we are definitely heading in the right direction, which is great. I am still amused with people's obsession with wishing away Plan B though. It doesn't stop anyone from doing anything, so where is the problem? LOL Plan B has stopped some things. Like closing offices and sending people to work from home. I personally had a melt down in the office at the thought of having to WFH again but I just can’t do it. It makes me feel the lowest I’ve ever felt and I find it so tough for a variety of reasons. Fortunately I have an understanding boss and he’s letting me and some others who can’t WFH still go to the office. But it’s very quiet and I’m missing a lot of my colleagues. I feel like we’d only just got a full office back then most ppl went home again! Masks I’m not bothered about, they’re whatever, but working from home for me is not something I can do again. |
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Post by talkingheads on Jan 14, 2022 8:33:30 GMT
Personally I'm never going into an office again. Any job that forces office working now isn't even worth considering. I'm saving more money and I'm happier than I've ever been now I WFH full time.
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Post by southstreet on Jan 14, 2022 9:53:38 GMT
Apparently it's 22% less test processed than a week ago, so that definitely has a big part to play in the fall of numbers but we are definitely heading in the right direction, which is great. I am still amused with people's obsession with wishing away Plan B though. It doesn't stop anyone from doing anything, so where is the problem? LOL Plan B has stopped some things. Like closing offices and sending people to work from home. I personally had a melt down in the office at the thought of having to WFH again but I just can’t do it. It makes me feel the lowest I’ve ever felt and I find it so tough for a variety of reasons. Fortunately I have an understanding boss and he’s letting me and some others who can’t WFH still go to the office. But it’s very quiet and I’m missing a lot of my colleagues. I feel like we’d only just got a full office back then most ppl went home again! Masks I’m not bothered about, they’re whatever, but working from home for me is not something I can do again. That's true, I hadn't considered that, as our company has the same policy as yours. I.e. work from home if you can but if you can't because it negatively affects your mental health or you don't have the right environment at home (living in a flatshare without a desk available, etc) you can come in. So anyone that wants to go into the office still can. Fact in our company is that most people didn't want to go back into the office or at least not every day, and in my direct team nobody has been in the office apart from having to get equipment fixed/replaced all pandemic. They were going to change the rules from Jan and ask us to come in at least two days a week, but obviously that is on ice again now. But I have colleagues in other teams/departments that have been going into the office the whole time, apart from the first three months of the pandemic. |
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