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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 17, 2021 22:40:51 GMT
Is it me or is it the right wing media seeming now to be pushing Chris Whitty under a bus slowly?
This is the bloke who volunteered on Covid wards last Christmas, whilst certain people in Downing Street and Conservative HQ were partying!
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Post by robertb213 on Dec 17, 2021 22:41:28 GMT
Got my booster jab tonight from a walk-in centre. A great set up and in and out within 30 minutes. I had originally booked for the end of the month, but with having to travel down to Kent for Christmas with family, I decided to bring it forward. It's just a weight off my mind that its sorted. I'm trying robertb213 's idea of eating chocolate to help ward off any side effects. So far, it's working! Glad to hear it! Chocolate pretty much solves everything 😋 |
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Post by jaqs on Dec 17, 2021 23:18:03 GMT
My booster arm didn’t hurt until I got my flu jab in the other arm a few hours later. Now I feel like I’ve been punched six times.
The flu jab always backfires on me somehow.
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Post by stagebyte on Dec 18, 2021 2:17:34 GMT
Hmmm
While audience compliance (at least at some of the theatre I’ve attended lately) has been rubbish
Maybe put some of that responsibility back on the owners selling the overpriced Maltesers and cheap wine?
Really think with the industry ‘on its knees’ now is the probably the time to stop selling it for a while?
Nothing to munch or drink - less excuse to take off the mask? Just a thought.
Never going to happen as too much revenue but come on... if mask wearing is the goal - making audiences and cast feel safer - let’s remove the opportunity to remove the mask.
Too many nursing a tiny plastic cup of plonk for two hours as an excuse to sit there maskless.
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Post by lolalou on Dec 18, 2021 6:51:43 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 18, 2021 7:12:27 GMT
My main fear is that compliance will be very low. This government has less than zero credibility and authority left to tell anybody what to do. Also, unless it is properly enforced, it's basically pointless. Proper fines for anyone outside without reason. There would need to be thorough financial packages, ample warning so that supermarkets can prepare. Somehow; I just can't see the Government being anywhere near that prepared. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 8:12:30 GMT
‘Leaked’ plans for post Christmas lockdown? If it’s this serious why are we waiting? Because a lockdown over Christmas would be unpopular. Better to lose a thousand lives than ten thousand votes. |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 18, 2021 8:39:57 GMT
‘Leaked’ plans for post Christmas lockdown? If it’s this serious why are we waiting? Because a lockdown over Christmas would be unpopular. Better to lose a thousand lives than ten thousand votes. To be absolutely fair the only reason they're not locking down over Chrustmas is because they can't. That went out the window the second the party scandal broke |
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Post by crowblack on Dec 18, 2021 8:57:33 GMT
To be absolutely fair the only reason they're not locking down over Chrustmas is because they can't. That went out the window the second the party scandal broke Which I suspect is why whoever it was who sat on it for months broke it now. I'm on the Left but have been utterly gobsmacked by the way the media has been obsessed with this story. A bunch of people who work in close proximity with each other anyway in one of the places that had to stay open and operational through lockdown get together for nibbles. Big deal - it's hardly a superspreader event or an orgy and it certainly isn't Watergate. Who benefits from leaking this story now? The anti-mask brigade. |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 18, 2021 9:59:10 GMT
To be absolutely fair the only reason they're not locking down over Chrustmas is because they can't. That went out the window the second the party scandal broke Which I suspect is why whoever it was who sat on it for months broke it now. I'm on the Left but have been utterly gobsmacked by the way the media has been obsessed with this story. A bunch of people who work in close proximity with each other anyway in one of the places that had to stay open and operational through lockdown get together for nibbles. Big deal - it's hardly a superspreader event or an orgy and it certainly isn't Watergate. Who benefits from leaking this story now? The anti-mask brigade. It's a pretty big deal when those people were the ones telling us we couldn't do exactly what they were doing. It may 'only' be a Christmas party, but what it represents is that there's one rule for us and one rule for them - and in a global health crisis where public trust is vital for health messaging, that is absolutely unforgivable. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 10:06:26 GMT
Because a lockdown over Christmas would be unpopular. Better to lose a thousand lives than ten thousand votes. To be absolutely fair the only reason they're not locking down over Chrustmas is because they can't. That went out the window the second the party scandal broke It went out the window long before that. No-one is going to put up with a second disrupted Christmas. It's been too long and it's too much even for those who generally comply with the rules. Some are self-policing to a certain extent with masks and distancing, but no-one is going to voluntarily spend Christmas alone. The Government lost any hope of restrictions this Christmas when they changed the rules so close to Christmas last year and messed up so many people's plans. If they wanted to avoid restrictions this Christmas then vaccine mandates and proper vaccine passport restrictions should have been in place from the summer. That ship has long sailed and that are left between a rock and a hard place because they've created a situation where restrictions are needed but pointless as not enough people will comply. |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 18, 2021 10:09:18 GMT
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Post by crowblack on Dec 18, 2021 10:31:30 GMT
Which I suspect is why whoever it was who sat on it for months broke it now. I'm on the Left but have been utterly gobsmacked by the way the media has been obsessed with this story. A bunch of people who work in close proximity with each other anyway in one of the places that had to stay open and operational through lockdown get together for nibbles. Big deal - it's hardly a superspreader event or an orgy and it certainly isn't Watergate. Who benefits from leaking this story now? The anti-mask brigade. It's a pretty big deal when those people were the ones telling us we couldn't do exactly what they were doing. It may 'only' be a Christmas party, but what it represents is that there's one rule for us and one rule for them - and in a global health crisis where public trust is vital for health messaging, that is absolutely unforgivable. There have been different rules for everyone during lockdowns. We have to be realistic about this. I heard someone describe lockdown as 'middle class people hiding in their homes while working class people bring stuff to them'. We knew Westminster and Whitehall were working 'in person' because they are (supposedly) running the country at a very difficult and stressful and confusing time and I don't resent or care about them having a Christmas buffet, nor am I remotely surprised or aghast that they did. I also think it was nuts for Scotland to sack a health minister for checking on her house during lockdown. Do the disciplinary nitpicking afterwards, not while we're in the middle of a battle. Messaging-wise, it was hidden, we didn't have to know about it. |
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 18, 2021 10:56:47 GMT
111 Covid-related deaths in the UK registered yeasterday (140-ish the day before). Plus, getting closer to the million jabs a day (936K). Looking at the data this week, the only things shooting up are known cases and vaccinations - hospitalisations and deaths remain steady. The next 4-5 weeks - last winter's peak, but with a new variant - will be absolutely fascinating both in terms of vaccine efficacy, and steering an economy in the times of Covid.
Also, if we still accept the ratio of unvaxed deaths vs. vaxed deaths at 9 : 1, vaccines look pretty powerful medicine.
Yesterdays data >> www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/13/covid-uk-coronavirus-cases-deaths-and-vaccinations-today |
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Post by lichtie on Dec 18, 2021 12:48:41 GMT
It's a pretty big deal when those people were the ones telling us we couldn't do exactly what they were doing. It may 'only' be a Christmas party, but what it represents is that there's one rule for us and one rule for them - and in a global health crisis where public trust is vital for health messaging, that is absolutely unforgivable. There have been different rules for everyone during lockdowns. We have to be realistic about this. I heard someone describe lockdown as 'middle class people hiding in their homes while working class people bring stuff to them'. We knew Westminster and Whitehall were working 'in person' because they are (supposedly) running the country at a very difficult and stressful and confusing time and I don't resent or care about them having a Christmas buffet, nor am I remotely surprised or aghast that they did. I also think it was nuts for Scotland to sack a health minister for checking on her house during lockdown. Do the disciplinary nitpicking afterwards, not while we're in the middle of a battle. Messaging-wise, it was hidden, we didn't have to know about it. It wasn't a Scottish minister it was an adviser. And she got the boot because it turned out she took the family for the weekend and was seen with all of them plus dog strolling along the beach... |
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Post by lichtie on Dec 18, 2021 12:56:16 GMT
111 Covid-related deaths in the UK registered yeasterday (140-ish the day before). Plus, getting closer to the million jabs a day (936K). Looking at the data this week, the only things shooting up are known cases and vaccinations - hospitalisations and deaths remain steady. The next 4-5 weeks - last winter's peak, but with a new variant - will be absolutely fascinating both in terms of vaccine efficacy, and steering an economy in the times of Covid.
Also, if we still accept the ratio of unvaxed deaths vs. vaxed deaths at 9 : 1, vaccines look pretty powerful medicine.
Yesterdays data >> www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/13/covid-uk-coronavirus-cases-deaths-and-vaccinations-todayUnless you're in London where hospitalisations have been rising steadily for the last 2 weeks as Omicron has got going. And in case you think I'm being needlessly negative I'm currently sitting in a London pub with almost more staff than customers... People are voting with their feet anyway. |
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Post by crowblack on Dec 18, 2021 13:28:01 GMT
And she got the boot because it turned out she took the family for the weekend and was seen with all of them plus dog strolling along the beach... The family she presumably lives with and a Scottish beach which must be one of the most unpopulated windswept bleak places on earth? No, I don't think that's a reason to dispense with her expertise during a pandemic and again, it's a private story that didn't 'have' to be 'outed' into the public realm. I once heard a journalist say many - most - want a trophy ministerial head in their 'achievements' as though journalism was the modern version of sticking a shot lion's head on the billiard room wall. It's a sport to them. |
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Post by vdcni on Dec 18, 2021 14:28:46 GMT
It's a pretty big deal when those people were the ones telling us we couldn't do exactly what they were doing. It may 'only' be a Christmas party, but what it represents is that there's one rule for us and one rule for them - and in a global health crisis where public trust is vital for health messaging, that is absolutely unforgivable. There have been different rules for everyone during lockdowns. We have to be realistic about this. I heard someone describe lockdown as 'middle class people hiding in their homes while working class people bring stuff to them'. We knew Westminster and Whitehall were working 'in person' because they are (supposedly) running the country at a very difficult and stressful and confusing time and I don't resent or care about them having a Christmas buffet, nor am I remotely surprised or aghast that they did. I also think it was nuts for Scotland to sack a health minister for checking on her house during lockdown. Do the disciplinary nitpicking afterwards, not while we're in the middle of a battle. Messaging-wise, it was hidden, we didn't have to know about it. I was surprised how much it cut through but it undoubtedly has as every poll on the subject has shown and it's no wonder the media focused on it. Plus half the reason it has cut through so much was the goverments response. Rather than say, yes there was a party, there shouldn't have been but people had been working hard they took the line that no rules had been broken but wouldn't even admit to a party. No wonder the story kept running as that defence looked increasingly ridiculous. Plus it plays into the whole narrative of this goverment refusing to accept any criticism or questioning to the point that they end up creating more problems for themselves. After all if they had just accepted Owen Patersons suspension they wouldn't have ended up losing a by-election this week. |
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 18, 2021 14:42:40 GMT
Unless you're in London where hospitalisations have been rising steadily for the last 2 weeks as Omicron has got going. And in case you think I'm being needlessly negative I'm currently sitting in a London pub with almost more staff than customers... People are voting with their feet anyway. Rising but not so far statistically exceptional:
I don't know why it's not more statistically significant given the markedly lower level of vaccine uptake.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2021 15:29:50 GMT
And she got the boot because it turned out she took the family for the weekend and was seen with all of them plus dog strolling along the beach... The family she presumably lives with and a Scottish beach which must be one of the most unpopulated windswept bleak places on earth? No, I don't think that's a reason to dispense with her expertise during a pandemic and again, it's a private story that didn't 'have' to be 'outed' into the public realm. I'm not sure you're very knowledgeable on the situation you're passing judgement on. It was Catherine Calderwood, and she was the Chief Medical Officer for Scotland, and the face of the Scottish Stay At Home campaign. She was photographed by The Sun visiting her second home for a weekend with her family during the first lockdown in April 2020, which they printed across their front page, and which other media outlets then picked up on. So she resigned as it undermined the messaging of the whole campaign, and public confidence. Totally the right thing to do. However, I suspect she did probably stay on in an unofficial advisory position for a while, given her knowledge and role in what we were facing. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Dec 18, 2021 15:58:54 GMT
It's a pretty big deal when those people were the ones telling us we couldn't do exactly what they were doing. It may 'only' be a Christmas party, but what it represents is that there's one rule for us and one rule for them - and in a global health crisis where public trust is vital for health messaging, that is absolutely unforgivable. There have been different rules for everyone during lockdowns. We have to be realistic about this. I heard someone describe lockdown as 'middle class people hiding in their homes while working class people bring stuff to them'. We knew Westminster and Whitehall were working 'in person' because they are (supposedly) running the country at a very difficult and stressful and confusing time and I don't resent or care about them having a Christmas buffet, nor am I remotely surprised or aghast that they did. I also think it was nuts for Scotland to sack a health minister for checking on her house during lockdown. Do the disciplinary nitpicking afterwards, not while we're in the middle of a battle. Messaging-wise, it was hidden, we didn't have to know about it. I think you are wrong. The conduct and behaviour of those who make the rules matters. |
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Post by nick on Dec 18, 2021 16:30:31 GMT
111 Covid-related deaths in the UK registered yeasterday (140-ish the day before). Plus, getting closer to the million jabs a day (936K). Looking at the data this week, the only things shooting up are known cases and vaccinations - hospitalisations and deaths remain steady. The next 4-5 weeks - last winter's peak, but with a new variant - will be absolutely fascinating both in terms of vaccine efficacy, and steering an economy in the times of Covid.
Also, if we still accept the ratio of unvaxed deaths vs. vaxed deaths at 9 : 1, vaccines look pretty powerful medicine.
Yesterdays data >> www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/13/covid-uk-coronavirus-cases-deaths-and-vaccinations-todayI deeply hope you're right but we are not quite there yet with the omicron variant. If they remain steady for another week then maybe we can start uncrossing our fingers. |
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Post by londonpostie on Dec 18, 2021 17:05:55 GMT
Same data source for Friday: 125 Covid-related deaths, 890K jabs
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Post by crowblack on Dec 18, 2021 17:40:22 GMT
The conduct and behaviour of those who make the rules matters. It does, but there's a time and a place to deal with that and it's not in the middle of a pandemic with a new variant that's doubling every couple of days. |
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Post by talkingheads on Dec 18, 2021 18:10:37 GMT
The conduct and behaviour of those who make the rules matters. It does, but there's a time and a place to deal with that and it's not in the middle of a pandemic with a new variant that's doubling every couple of days. No. It is precisely BECAUSE we are in the middle of a pandemic that it must be addressed immediately if any semblance of public trust is to be restored, although they've gone way past the point where that could have been done by continually lying. |
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