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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 15:52:21 GMT
I do wish the default in so many of discussions around the topic of home working was not that all workers have this as option. [...] But it is too simplistic to think that everyone can work from home. It is not an option for millions of workers and so can never be a universal right. Nobody has ever suggested or implied that everyone can work from home. It's obvious that they can't; this is a theatre forum, after all. Working from home is something that some people can benefit from, just like having weekends and bank holidays off, or being paid a higher rate for overtime, or having paid holidays, or getting sick pay, or earning tips. Some people benefit from those things. Others don't. (All I get out of that list is weekends off, for instance.)
Different jobs have different benefits. If you do job A you get the benefits of job A, if you do job B you get the benefits of job B. I really don't get why people think it's unfair that if you do one job you don't get the benefits of a different job. It feels very much as though all the arguments against working from home are coming from people whose attitude is "If I can't have this nice thing then nobody should have it", even though some of the benefits of working from home indirectly improve life for all of us.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Oct 12, 2021 18:47:49 GMT
At no point did I say that it was unfair that people have an option to work from home. And a number of the benefits listed are legally enforced wherever you work.
There is a move towards employees having a right to flexible working - in some cases from day one. And part of that flexible working includes the right to work from home.
My point is simply that this is not something that can be made a universal right. So many sectors of our economy require employees to be working out in the community or at a dedicated workplace (or some combination thereof) for home working simply not to be an option.
There is going to growing pressure on employees in other sectors to be 'encouraged' to work from home so that employers can reduce office space/costs.
Now good employees will ensure that home workers have the right set up, make contributions towards the extra costs of working from home and ensure workplace protections are maintained. But sadly many won't.
And there are people who can't work from home because they lack the space or privacy necessary to make that a long term viable option.
I think we will see a growth in hybrid working patterns. But I don't want this to create situations where employees are forced out of a workplace into a home working situation.
Enhanced protections need to be put in place to protect people from those who seek to exploit home working for financial gain for employers.
It is a complex issue and complex solutions need to be found. No one should lose out because they can't or don't want to work from home.
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 12, 2021 22:58:25 GMT
At no point did I say that it was unfair that people have an option to work from home. And a number of the benefits listed are legally enforced wherever you work. There is a move towards employees having a right to flexible working - in some cases from day one. And part of that flexible working includes the right to work from home. My point is simply that this is not something that can be made a universal right. So many sectors of our economy require employees to be working out in the community or at a dedicated workplace (or some combination thereof) for home working simply not to be an option. There is going to growing pressure on employees in other sectors to be 'encouraged' to work from home so that employers can reduce office space/costs. Now good employees will ensure that home workers have the right set up, make contributions towards the extra costs of working from home and ensure workplace protections are maintained. But sadly many won't. And there are people who can't work from home because they lack the space or privacy necessary to make that a long term viable option. I think we will see a growth in hybrid working patterns. But I don't want this to create situations where employees are forced out of a workplace into a home working situation. Enhanced protections need to be put in place to protect people from those who seek to exploit home working for financial gain for employers. It is a complex issue and complex solutions need to be found. No one should lose out because they can't or don't want to work from home. Yeah. There will be plenty of people that are going to be forced in home working when for Whatever reason it doesn’t suit them. And usually they working in a industry that it will be harder to find jobs that are fully in an office. (As for those who don’t like home working many of reasons mean even Hybrid is not suitable for their circumstances.) |
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Post by olliebean on Oct 13, 2021 9:40:04 GMT
At no point did I say that it was unfair that people have an option to work from home. And a number of the benefits listed are legally enforced wherever you work. There is a move towards employees having a right to flexible working - in some cases from day one. And part of that flexible working includes the right to work from home. My point is simply that this is not something that can be made a universal right. So many sectors of our economy require employees to be working out in the community or at a dedicated workplace (or some combination thereof) for home working simply not to be an option. There is going to growing pressure on employees in other sectors to be 'encouraged' to work from home so that employers can reduce office space/costs. Now good employees will ensure that home workers have the right set up, make contributions towards the extra costs of working from home and ensure workplace protections are maintained. But sadly many won't. And there are people who can't work from home because they lack the space or privacy necessary to make that a long term viable option. I think we will see a growth in hybrid working patterns. But I don't want this to create situations where employees are forced out of a workplace into a home working situation. Enhanced protections need to be put in place to protect people from those who seek to exploit home working for financial gain for employers. It is a complex issue and complex solutions need to be found. No one should lose out because they can't or don't want to work from home. Yeah. There will be plenty of people that are going to be forced in home working when for Whatever reason it doesn’t suit them. And usually they working in a industry that it will be harder to find jobs that are fully in an office. (As for those who don’t like home working many of reasons mean even Hybrid is not suitable for their circumstances.) In which case imposing an extra tax burden on people who work from home, as you were suggesting last week, would be an especially cruel measure. |
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 13, 2021 11:11:30 GMT
It’s surprising how the Daily Mail and Co have not complained that by only giving 12-15 year olds one jab they can’t travel to many European Countries because they not considered fully vaccinated there. Those papers are obsessed with getting international travel restarted en Mass.
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 13, 2021 23:07:02 GMT
GP’s are going to be made to return to majority in person appointments with fines for those who don’t reach a certain target,
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 14, 2021 8:38:31 GMT
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Post by interval99 on Oct 14, 2021 12:47:17 GMT
First time back in London for 20 months and bit surprised how relaxed London seemed compared to local area still.
Masks 50% on tube 10% in theatres and low in shops and museums.
People gave space and no issue if you wanted to wear a mask or not. Still lots of prebooking for museum, exhibitions.
Only time covid pass reviewed was at ATG theatre others including both LW theatres were straight walk in and no covid paper or flow test results which were featured so heavily in warnings on their website.
Certainly not quiet in tourist areas, much busier than expected. Only noticeable change was the tube a lot less packed between 5 and 7 when normally trying to use tube if getting to theatre was a packed sweaty experience but there were even seats available.
Tube network having lots of work done and crew shortage made it hard work with lines closed and longer waits for trains especially on weekend.
Overall people were still aware of covid but not taking as many precautions as before.
Nice to see London again
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 14, 2021 15:39:09 GMT
Why is the Uk so much higher in cases than the rest of Western Europe?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 14, 2021 15:55:12 GMT
Why is the Uk so much higher in cases than the rest of Western Europe? Rhetoric? |
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 14, 2021 16:43:16 GMT
First time back in London for 20 months and bit surprised how relaxed London seemed compared to local area still. Masks 50% on tube 10% in theatres and low in shops and museums. People gave space and no issue if you wanted to wear a mask or not. Still lots of prebooking for museum, exhibitions. Only time covid pass reviewed was at ATG theatre others including both LW theatres were straight walk in and no covid paper or flow test results which were featured so heavily in warnings on their website. Certainly not quiet in tourist areas, much busier than expected. Only noticeable change was the tube a lot less packed between 5 and 7 when normally trying to use tube if getting to theatre was a packed sweaty experience but there were even seats available. Tube network having lots of work done and crew shortage made it hard work with lines closed and longer waits for trains especially on weekend. Overall people were still aware of covid but not taking as many precautions as before. Nice to see London again I think the fact that places in London never really properly enforced masks rules has meant people here have dropped them a lot quicker. |
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Post by christya on Oct 14, 2021 16:51:29 GMT
First time back in London for 20 months and bit surprised how relaxed London seemed compared to local area still. Masks 50% on tube 10% in theatres and low in shops and museums. People gave space and no issue if you wanted to wear a mask or not. Still lots of prebooking for museum, exhibitions. Only time covid pass reviewed was at ATG theatre others including both LW theatres were straight walk in and no covid paper or flow test results which were featured so heavily in warnings on their website. Certainly not quiet in tourist areas, much busier than expected. Only noticeable change was the tube a lot less packed between 5 and 7 when normally trying to use tube if getting to theatre was a packed sweaty experience but there were even seats available. Tube network having lots of work done and crew shortage made it hard work with lines closed and longer waits for trains especially on weekend. Overall people were still aware of covid but not taking as many precautions as before. Nice to see London again The last couple of times I've been, I noticed most precautions having disappeared. Things feel a lot more normal, and very few places asking for masks etc inside. Even in theatres - at Cadogan Hall the other week, very few masks. I think a lot of people have just decided that they've done what they can and want to go back to normal. |
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Post by lichtie on Oct 14, 2021 16:54:52 GMT
Why is the Uk so much higher in cases than the rest of Western Europe? Probably a variety of reasons - a lot of the infections are amongst the young, and we waited far longer than other countries to vaccinate teenagers, so they are well ahead of us there in suppressing one known pool of infection (and many are ahead now in vaccination for all 12+ age groups). The rates in England clearly saw some rise 2-3 weeks after schools went back (what you would expect given it takes time to spread the virus more widely) and then again once Universities started up (we're 3 weeks into that mostly as well). Also most other countries still have other limitations in place, which probably suppress the virus somewhat. It may retreat again (see the case rates in Scotland where schools went back in August, and universities also tend to start a week or two earlier) but we'll see the hospitilisation rates rising as well as deaths at least until early November now, just following that rise in cases. Equally, there are a lot of other ilnesses doing the rounds now which may combine with covid to make things stay high for longer (covid+flu etc seems to be a bad mix for a person's health).
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 14, 2021 19:24:15 GMT
A worrying amount of people I know who are double jab vaccinated are saying there going to refuse a booster jab. We might well end up with a pretty horrendous winter sadly.,
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 15, 2021 4:42:19 GMT
A worrying amount of people I know who are double jab vaccinated are saying there going to refuse a booster jab. We might well end up with a pretty horrendous winter sadly., Why are they refusing? I work in social care and so it's mandatory. I've had my three jabs plus the flu jab - I'm ready for winter! |
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 15, 2021 9:10:03 GMT
A worrying amount of people I know who are double jab vaccinated are saying there going to refuse a booster jab. We might well end up with a pretty horrendous winter sadly., Why are they refusing? I work in social care and so it's mandatory. I've had my three jabs plus the flu jab - I'm ready for winter! Just a belief that the vaccine is not working because of how many cases are occurring each day. Plus an increase in anti vaccine scare stories on social media have turned a few. |
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Post by Deal J on Oct 15, 2021 9:35:43 GMT
Remember though that the vaccine doesn't stop you catching covid-19, it stops you from getting seriously ill from it.
So the number of hospital admissions and/or deaths is a better indicator of progress and severity (as opposed to the number of positive test cases).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 9:39:39 GMT
Just a belief that the vaccine is not working because of how many cases are occurring each day. That's like saying "There are fires. Clearly firemen are useless so we need to get rid of them".
I think the world is far too tolerant of stupid opinions. Just occasionally I'd like to see an interviewer on TV look at a guest and say "Jesus f—, you're a moron" and ignore anything else they say.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Oct 15, 2021 9:57:07 GMT
This!
Vaccine does not repel the virus it lowers its impact on health when you become infected.
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 15, 2021 10:02:27 GMT
This! Vaccine does not repel the virus it lowers its impact on health when you become infected. The big risk is what happens if the booster programme remains at its sluggish pace and lots of people offered it refuse it. That could be the major factor that sees deaths and hospitalisations surge. |
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Post by NeilVHughes on Oct 15, 2021 10:08:09 GMT
That is why that data set is important.
The vaccine does work, data confirms this, if offered get the booster otherwise we risk going backwards.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 15, 2021 10:34:47 GMT
Is the Booster programme actually going badly?
The NHS said a few days ago that they'd already hit the 2 million mark in the first 3 weeks of it being in operation.
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Post by alece10 on Oct 15, 2021 10:52:03 GMT
Impressed with the booster service. When you call 119 you get a recorded message saying that you will be contacted 6 months and 1 week after 2nd jab and, sure enough, text just came through. Offered me several locations and appointments available from as soon as tomorrow.
Booked my local site for Tuesday so very pleased.
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 15, 2021 10:55:01 GMT
Impressed with the booster service. When you call 119 you get a recorded message saying that you will be contacted 6 months and 1 week after 2nd jab and, sure enough, text just came through. Offered me several locations and appointments available from as soon as tomorrow. Booked my local site for Tuesday so very pleased. I know someone who is 6 months and 3 weeks after their second jab and has not heard a thing. |
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Post by alece10 on Oct 15, 2021 10:57:38 GMT
Impressed with the booster service. When you call 119 you get a recorded message saying that you will be contacted 6 months and 1 week after 2nd jab and, sure enough, text just came through. Offered me several locations and appointments available from as soon as tomorrow. Booked my local site for Tuesday so very pleased. I know someone who is 6 months and 3 weeks after their second jab and has not heard a thing. Then tell them to call 119 and they can book. The message and link I just booked on said that you can contact them after 6months 1 week so they should be able to book. |
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