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Post by Mark on Sept 14, 2021 17:41:39 GMT
Big cases falls across the entire country again. UK: 37,489 -> 26,628 (-29.0%) England: 27,545 -> 19,739 (-28.3%) Scotland: 5,692 -> 3,375 (-40.7%) NI: 1,748 -> 1,590 (-9.0%) Wales: 2,504 -> 1,924 (-23.1%) Just to counter the gloom on here. 6th Day of reductions And that’s with a big increase in numbers being tested over the past few weeks. Seems whenever the scientists and experts predict a bit rise in cases, the opposite happens! And there’s been more mixing and socialising along with schools returning these past two weeks.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 14, 2021 19:26:09 GMT
Big cases falls across the entire country again. UK: 37,489 -> 26,628 (-29.0%) England: 27,545 -> 19,739 (-28.3%) Scotland: 5,692 -> 3,375 (-40.7%) NI: 1,748 -> 1,590 (-9.0%) Wales: 2,504 -> 1,924 (-23.1%) Just to counter the gloom on here. 6th Day of reductions And that’s with a big increase in numbers being tested over the past few weeks. Seems whenever the scientists and experts predict a bit rise in cases, the opposite happens! And there’s been more mixing and socialising along with schools returning these past two weeks. Yep really good news this. Schools going back should be filtering into the results now also
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Post by Jon on Sept 14, 2021 22:18:21 GMT
If an oral antiviral drug for Covid is approved either by the end of the year or start of next, I wonder how it'll be distributed as I imagine it's something that it would be an even hotter commodity than a vaccine.
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Post by talkingheads on Sept 15, 2021 8:06:42 GMT
In today's instalment of 'one rule for us'...
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Post by olliebean on Sept 15, 2021 8:21:26 GMT
I'd love to see the science that shows coronavirus has lower transmissibility between people who know each other.
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Post by The Matthew on Sept 15, 2021 8:23:51 GMT
In today's instalment of 'one rule for us'... It's a good job the virus knows not to spread to anyone else when those not-strangers return to their families all over the country, isn't it?
Let's face it, the real explanation is more along the lines of "Who's going to stop us? You zeroes?"
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 15, 2021 8:52:46 GMT
In today's instalment of 'one rule for us'... It's a good job the virus knows not to spread to anyone else when those not-strangers return to their families all over the country, isn't it?
Let's face it, the real explanation is more along the lines of "Who's going to stop us? You zeroes?"
Made me laugh for far longer than it should have
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Post by olliebean on Sept 15, 2021 10:43:24 GMT
Did anyone see the video of Sajid Javid in Parliament saying that it might be necessary to bring back mask mandates, and an off-screen MP (I gather it was Desmond Swayne) is heard letting out a long, anguished cry of "Noooo!" Funny, but also quite pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 10:46:33 GMT
The society we now live in with it's political correctness and people's freedom to do as they please will not solve the covid issue. Personally I agree with vaccine passports and I think everyone does have a responsibility to get vaccinated to protect themselves and others. If they choose not to that is their business, but if they are not bothered about their part in spreading covid then they should not have some of the benefits such as attending mass gatherings indoors. There are many people who can't get the vaccine because of their religion or for medical reasons. You are excluding a huge amount of the population. I am not calling you this, but vaccine passports are borderline racist! Do you really want to live in a country that segregates people like that? I know I don't.
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Post by zahidf on Sept 15, 2021 10:52:07 GMT
The society we now live in with it's political correctness and people's freedom to do as they please will not solve the covid issue. Personally I agree with vaccine passports and I think everyone does have a responsibility to get vaccinated to protect themselves and others. If they choose not to that is their business, but if they are not bothered about their part in spreading covid then they should not have some of the benefits such as attending mass gatherings indoors. There are many people who can't get the vaccine because of their religion or for medical reasons. You are excluding a huge amount of the population. I am not calling you this, but vaccine passports are borderline racist! Do you really want to live in a country that segregates people like that? I know I don't. Religious? There are no religious reasons to refuse a vaccine.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 15, 2021 10:54:28 GMT
There are many people who can't get the vaccine because of their religion or for medical reasons. You are excluding a huge amount of the population. I am not calling you this, but vaccine passports are borderline racist! Do you really want to live in a country that segregates people like that? I know I don't. Religious? There are no religious reasons to refuse a vaccine. I was wondering this? What do you do with people with medical conditions though?
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Post by theatreian on Sept 15, 2021 11:13:15 GMT
There will always be exceptions ie those with medical conditions where their doctors advise against vaccination and of course allowances should be made for those. However I doubt there are any religions who forbit vaccinations.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 15, 2021 11:23:57 GMT
I'm wading my way through infomation regarding how the care industry has to be vaccinated (rightly so in my book). The list of people who have to be jabbed is endless including religious folk delivering the last rights as for them its a part of their job. Very few exceptions including workers trying to stop a disaster such as a gas leak.
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Post by sfsusan on Sept 15, 2021 11:24:16 GMT
There are a tiny number of religions that object to the COVID vaccine: eu.dispatch.com/story/news/2021/09/11/covid-19-few-religions-have-doctrinal-reasons-avoid-vaccine/8271710002/"The only Christian denominations who cite a theological reason for opposing vaccines are the Dutch Reformed Church and Church of Christ, Scientist." "The denomination (Christian Science) doesn't strictly prohibit vaccination, though." Some people claim a religious exemption because the vaccine was developed using stem cells lines that originate from aborted fetuses, but even the Pope says that the vaccine is kosher (so to speak). Others claim that taking the vaccine demonstrates a lack of faith in God (as presumably so does wearing a seat belt, learning to swim, locking your front door and other things I'll bet they don't object to). I don't think anyone is proposing forcing those with medical conditions to take the vaccination, but there is then a question of how to treat those exceptions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 11:35:12 GMT
There are many people who can't get the vaccine because of their religion or for medical reasons. You are excluding a huge amount of the population. I am not calling you this, but vaccine passports are borderline racist! Do you really want to live in a country that segregates people like that? I know I don't. Religious? There are no religious reasons to refuse a vaccine. The Equality Act 2010 states that it is unlawful to discriminate against someone because of religion or belief. Now, if someone refuses the vaccine because of their religion, which they are allowed to do. Vaccine passports are then further discrimination against these people who refuse the vaccine due to their religion. It is creating a two tier society. The law is the law.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 11:39:24 GMT
Religious? There are no religious reasons to refuse a vaccine. I was wondering this? What do you do with people with medical conditions though? According to vaccine passports, you just ban them.
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Post by sfsusan on Sept 15, 2021 11:40:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 11:44:53 GMT
I'm wading my way through infomation regarding how the care industry has to be vaccinated (rightly so in my book). The list of people who have to be jabbed is endless including religious folk delivering the last rights as for them its a part of their job. Very few exceptions including workers trying to stop a disaster such as a gas leak. The care industry is an interesting one. Yes, healthcare professionals are always in close contact with the vulnerable. However, they already take such meticulous protocols in the prevention of spreading viruses. For example, a nurse has worked for the NHS for 15+ years. Given her heart and soul. Now she is at risk of losing her job because she won't take the vaccine because she doesn't feel ready yet or religious or medical reasons. Do you not see how messed up that sounds? Unfortunately, this isn't fiction.
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Post by The Matthew on Sept 15, 2021 11:51:03 GMT
The Equality Act 2010 states that it is unlawful to discriminate against someone because of religion or belief. Now, if someone refuses the vaccine because of their religion, which they are allowed to do. Only if their religion actually says that, and only if they follow that restriction. You can't just say "Oh, yeah, my religion totally says I can't do (long list of things you don't want to do)". Any idiot can say that, and the likelihood you'll be disbelieved matches the ease of the lie.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 11:52:59 GMT
The Equality Act 2010 states that it is unlawful to discriminate against someone because of religion or belief. Now, if someone refuses the vaccine because of their religion, which they are allowed to do. Only if their religion actually says that, and only if they follow that restriction. You can't just say "Oh, yeah, my religion totally says I can't do (long list of things you don't want to do)". Any idiot can say that, and the likelihood you'll be disbelieved matches the ease of the lie.
But who has the final say about what a religion does or doesn't believe in? All these councils or boards or whatever have obviously been plied with money under the table to say the vaccine is safe. It is all too happy clappy.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 15, 2021 12:25:22 GMT
Only if their religion actually says that, and only if they follow that restriction. You can't just say "Oh, yeah, my religion totally says I can't do (long list of things you don't want to do)". Any idiot can say that, and the likelihood you'll be disbelieved matches the ease of the lie.
But who has the final say about what a religion does or doesn't believe in? All these councils or boards or whatever have obviously been plied with money under the table to say the vaccine is safe. It is all too happy clappy. God does
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Post by poster J on Sept 15, 2021 12:40:11 GMT
Religious? There are no religious reasons to refuse a vaccine. I was wondering this? What do you do with people with medical conditions though? Give then an exemption and access to PCR tests as a mandatory alternative. Not difficult. Also it is neither racist nor xenophobic to deny entry to someone who hasn't had a vaccine. Ethnicity has no bearing on whether someone can or cannot get a vaccine and any vaccine passport scheme would have to make provision for health condition reasons. Religious rights are not absolute and the balance in a case like this will fall in favour of wider public health. It isn't a purely individual decision like whether to have a blood transfusion.
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Post by poster J on Sept 15, 2021 12:45:44 GMT
I'm wading my way through infomation regarding how the care industry has to be vaccinated (rightly so in my book). The list of people who have to be jabbed is endless including religious folk delivering the last rights as for them its a part of their job. Very few exceptions including workers trying to stop a disaster such as a gas leak. The care industry is an interesting one. Yes, healthcare professionals are always in close contact with the vulnerable. However, they already take such meticulous protocols in the prevention of spreading viruses. For example, a nurse has worked for the NHS for 15+ years. Given her heart and soul. Now she is at risk of losing her job because she won't take the vaccine because she doesn't feel ready yet or religious or medical reasons. Do you not see how messed up that sounds? Unfortunately, this isn't fiction. Your post itself shows how it isn't messed up in the slightest. They take protocols already, as you say. The vaccine is simply another protocol and more effective than the ones they already take, therefore there is good reason to implement it. Do you not see how simple that is? There will always have to be exemptions for medical reasons as people cannot help having those. Otherwise freedom of choice is never absolute, and it is simply a question of what people want to prioritise in their own lives, and as with any decision in life they have to live with the consequences of that. This isn't some unusual conspiracy, it's the same basic decision-making matrix that applies to everything we do - no-one ever has, had or ever will have absolute freedom of choice as that concept just doesn't exist. There will always be other factors.
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Post by hairspray57 on Sept 15, 2021 12:51:43 GMT
I was wondering this? What do you do with people with medical conditions though? Give then an exemption and access to PCR tests as a mandatory alternative. Not difficult. Also it is neither racist nor xenophobic to deny entry to someone who hasn't had a vaccine. Ethnicity has no bearing on whether someone can or cannot get a vaccine and any vaccine passport scheme would have to make provision for health condition reasons. Religious rights are not absolute and the balance in a case like this will fall in favour of wider public health. It isn't a purely individual decision like whether to have a blood transfusion. Would that satisfy a court?
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Post by poster J on Sept 15, 2021 14:39:31 GMT
Give then an exemption and access to PCR tests as a mandatory alternative. Not difficult. Also it is neither racist nor xenophobic to deny entry to someone who hasn't had a vaccine. Ethnicity has no bearing on whether someone can or cannot get a vaccine and any vaccine passport scheme would have to make provision for health condition reasons. Religious rights are not absolute and the balance in a case like this will fall in favour of wider public health. It isn't a purely individual decision like whether to have a blood transfusion. Would that satisfy a court? What part are you talking about? Exemption and testing? No reason why not. If you're talking about the balancing act between different rights, that is the exercise the Court will do.
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Post by hairspray57 on Sept 15, 2021 15:15:40 GMT
Would that satisfy a court? What part are you talking about? Exemption and testing? No reason why not. If you're talking about the balancing act between different rights, that is the exercise the Court will do. It depends on how extensive vaccine passports are and how often testing would be neeeded.
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Post by poster J on Sept 15, 2021 15:33:07 GMT
What part are you talking about? Exemption and testing? No reason why not. If you're talking about the balancing act between different rights, that is the exercise the Court will do. It depends on how extensive vaccine passports are and how often testing would be neeeded. If the tests are offered for free then that isn't really relevant - plenty of people already have to test regularly for their jobs without issue.
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Post by hairspray57 on Sept 16, 2021 11:21:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 11:31:48 GMT
I didn't think you had to wear them indoors anymore? I don't know what people are getting so butthurt about? It's a choice.
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Post by talkingheads on Sept 16, 2021 12:01:30 GMT
Oliver Dowden has been replaced as Culture Secretary by Nadine Dorries, a women who, as far as I can see, possesses no discernible skills to fulfil the role. She is also a provable racist, as seen in tweets like this.
Our Culture Secretary, ladies and gentlemen.
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