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Post by poster J on Jun 15, 2021 8:01:49 GMT
If people choose to wear one that's up to them and they can even be strongly advised by the government, but they should not be mandatory after everyone has had a second dose in September. That's my view and it's not changing. I would agree with you if enough people had basic manners but they don't. So because people don't seem to understand the need to cover their mouth when they cough, I am all in favour of mandatory mask wearing on inner city public transport only (so not long distance trains or planes) between October and the end of March each year for the rest of time.
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Post by sph on Jun 15, 2021 9:22:58 GMT
If people choose to wear one that's up to them and they can even be strongly advised by the government, but they should not be mandatory after everyone has had a second dose in September. That's my view and it's not changing. I would agree with you if enough people had basic manners but they don't. So because people don't seem to understand the need to cover their mouth when they cough, I am all in favour of mandatory mask wearing on inner city public transport only (so not long distance trains or planes) between October and the end of March each year for the rest of time. Well... I certainly hope that doesn't happen!
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Post by poster J on Jun 15, 2021 10:36:51 GMT
I would agree with you if enough people had basic manners but they don't. So because people don't seem to understand the need to cover their mouth when they cough, I am all in favour of mandatory mask wearing on inner city public transport only (so not long distance trains or planes) between October and the end of March each year for the rest of time. Well... I certainly hope that doesn't happen! Maybe you can educate the general public about covering their mouths when they cough then, or are you happy being coughed over by a stranger?
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Post by sph on Jun 15, 2021 12:05:59 GMT
I don't think people cough over each other that often, certainly not often enough to mandate mask-wearing on all public transport forever. Why don't we just mandate pedestrians wearing crash helmets because sometimes people get hit by cars?
Some people are genuinely hysterical.
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Post by jojo on Jun 15, 2021 14:01:45 GMT
I didn't understand the rush to end mask wearing to coincide with opening up a lot of the rest of society. There is very little lost in wearing a mask on a bus or train and in the supermarket.
I agree about people not covering their mouths when they cough. I don't think it can be compared with crash helmets, because whilst traffic incidents happen, and sometimes pedestrians are hit by cars, most car drivers try to avoid this, and will know if it's happened. If they injure someone they'll probably end up with a driving ban (at least).
People who recklessly cough over other commuters and shoppers appear to be oblivious to their behaviour and will have no idea if the person they infected needed a few days in bed, or if that person passed it onto an elderly person who died.
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Post by sph on Jun 15, 2021 15:28:44 GMT
I think you're most likely to pick up a cold or flu in the workplace rather than your commute to be honest. Masks in offices forever too?
It all leads to so much "what-if"ism. What if I breathed next to that elderly lady and she got a cold and it turned into pneumonia and she died? What if?
It's not a nice thought and we should all give each other space where we can, but we can't live our lives worrying about the chain reactions of minor daily annoyances. We'd literally drive ourselves mad.
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Post by lynette on Jun 15, 2021 15:43:31 GMT
What happened to that lovely ‘coughs and sneezes spread diseases’ ? Short, to the point and rhymes with good rhythm. They could churn ‘em out in those days. Not like we got with this particular plague..space face whatever, I mean pathetic.
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Post by isabel on Jun 15, 2021 16:50:41 GMT
Has anyone heard about the Amber A & Amber B lists ? Our travel company said there are 2 categories for Amber countries? This is the first we had heard about this ?
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Post by sfsusan on Jun 16, 2021 11:30:02 GMT
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Post by Mark on Jun 16, 2021 11:36:57 GMT
I work for an airline and never heard of two levels of amber. It's Red (Hotel Quarantine), Amber (Home Quarantine) or Green (no quarantine).
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Post by isabel on Jun 16, 2021 12:52:12 GMT
The travel company is James Villas. Dad spoke to them. Something about insurance. So confused
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Post by christya on Jun 16, 2021 15:04:19 GMT
Maybe the travel insurance companies are doing something themselves? Like classifying amber into 'amber and might go green' and 'amber and might go red'?
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Post by olliebean on Jun 16, 2021 18:22:44 GMT
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I’m all for the lockdown extension,As far as I’m concerned they can keep delaying as long as they need. Until they feel it’s safe to reopen everything. Who knows maybe another month is all we need to get things back under control & more of the population vaccinated. I know how you feel. I'd sooner they wait until they're sure it's safe, than rush to open and then see what happens before deciding if it was safe or not. And I realise I risk being accused of being Captain Hindsight (although I would have said the same last year), but if we'd done that consistently since the start, we'd have been in a much better position much earlier on and it probably wouldn't even be an issue by now.
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Post by lynette on Jun 16, 2021 18:52:11 GMT
Time is moving on despite our agony and the closer we get to the next general election or even to a full House of Commons ding dong, the more difficult it is for ole Boris. You get judged on the last mistake you made so if next winter turns out to be disaster then…..
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Post by marob on Jun 16, 2021 19:42:18 GMT
Time is moving on despite our agony and the closer we get to the next general election or even to a full House of Commons ding dong, the more difficult it is for ole Boris. You get judged on the last mistake you made so if next winter turns out to be disaster then….. The problem there is that the British public have always had remarkably short memories, and there’s a great deal of apathy now as well. You would think the police being called out to possible domestic abuse at his house just before the last general election would have ended his career. But no. People didn’t care. Over 127000 dead and people still don’t care. It’s mind boggling.
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Post by theatreian on Jun 16, 2021 21:30:49 GMT
people still don’t care. It’s mind boggling. One of the reasons why maybe people don't care is the lack of any credible alternative government. As much as many people complain about this government, it appears the British public do not trust anyone else with governing at the moment. This may of course change when hopefully the pandemic ends... well gets less important and other issues resurface.
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Post by Jon on Jun 17, 2021 0:03:39 GMT
Let's be honest, by the time we get to 2024, we might have Rishi Sunak or Michael Gove as PM.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 17, 2021 8:24:28 GMT
Time is moving on despite our agony and the closer we get to the next general election or even to a full House of Commons ding dong, the more difficult it is for ole Boris. You get judged on the last mistake you made so if next winter turns out to be disaster then….. The problem there is that the British public have always had remarkably short memories, and there’s a great deal of apathy now as well. You would think the police being called out to possible domestic abuse at his house just before the last general election would have ended his career. But no. People didn’t care. Over 127000 dead and people still don’t care. It’s mind boggling. This. We’re a nation of Tories
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Post by lynette on Jun 17, 2021 16:41:58 GMT
Interesting. Explains the cull of mink in Denmark which the journos slid over cos they didnt have a clue. Also the idea of ‘herd’ immunity. I knew I wasn’t a cow ( despite rumours to the contrary) and yes, about children: if you want to know whether to give your child a jab or not, ask a doctor if he would vaccinate his own children. Thanks for posting, if a little long and dense.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 18, 2021 20:43:25 GMT
Having had my last-minute first jab on 8th April at a nearby medical practice I've been waiting to hear from my practice as to when I can book the 2nd jab, as I'm now over 10 weeks since the first. Today my mother had a phone call from her doctor about other issues & at the end asked him when I'd be contacted. Turns out the local practices are no longer doing vaccination. So I looked up the NHS covid website for appointments in Cambridge. Apart from tomorrow, which is impossible as we are having to self-isolate before my mother has a procedure done in hospital on Monday, I can't get an appointment until the 2nd week of July. By that time it'll be over 13 weeks since I had my 1st jab. So much for people being told to get their 2nd jabs sooner!
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 19, 2021 5:16:55 GMT
Having had my last-minute first jab on 8th April at a nearby medical practice I've been waiting to hear from my practice as to when I can book the 2nd jab, as I'm now over 10 weeks since the first. Today my mother had a phone call from her doctor about other issues & at the end asked him when I'd be contacted. Turns out the local practices are no longer doing vaccination. So I looked up the NHS covid website for appointments in Cambridge. Apart from tomorrow, which is impossible as we are having to self-isolate before my mother has a procedure done in hospital on Monday, I can't get an appointment until the 2nd week of July. By that time it'll be over 13 weeks since I had my 1st jab. So much for people being told to get their 2nd jabs sooner! Any walk ins around? My second jab on Sunday was cancelled so I turned up yesterday. Explained situation of cancelled appointment and was straight through. Definitely worth trying as 13 weeks is too late
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jun 19, 2021 7:56:40 GMT
Having had my last-minute first jab on 8th April at a nearby medical practice I've been waiting to hear from my practice as to when I can book the 2nd jab, as I'm now over 10 weeks since the first. Today my mother had a phone call from her doctor about other issues & at the end asked him when I'd be contacted. Turns out the local practices are no longer doing vaccination. So I looked up the NHS covid website for appointments in Cambridge. Apart from tomorrow, which is impossible as we are having to self-isolate before my mother has a procedure done in hospital on Monday, I can't get an appointment until the 2nd week of July. By that time it'll be over 13 weeks since I had my 1st jab. So much for people being told to get their 2nd jabs sooner! Try ringing the 119 number, also try your local hospitals. I don't know if it's the same in your area as mine but vaccination at hospital hubs are separate from the options you get on the NHS website .
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 19, 2021 10:06:29 GMT
Any walk ins around? My second jab on Sunday was cancelled so I turned up yesterday. Explained situation of cancelled appointment and was straight through. Definitely worth trying as 13 weeks is too late Not as far as I know. Try ringing the 119 number, also try your local hospitals. I don't know if it's the same in your area as mine but vaccination at hospital hubs are separate from the options you get on the NHS website . I phoned 119 last night, before booking online, as I was worried because the website said you had to book both jabs, and from what they were saying it seemed that they could only see the same availability on the NHS website as I could. I haven't heard that my local hospital has been doing vaccinations at any point.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jun 19, 2021 10:47:34 GMT
Any walk ins around? My second jab on Sunday was cancelled so I turned up yesterday. Explained situation of cancelled appointment and was straight through. Definitely worth trying as 13 weeks is too late Not as far as I know. Try ringing the 119 number, also try your local hospitals. I don't know if it's the same in your area as mine but vaccination at hospital hubs are separate from the options you get on the NHS website . I phoned 119 last night, before booking online, as I was worried because the website said you had to book both jabs, and from what they were saying it seemed that they could only see the same availability on the NHS website as I could. I haven't heard that my local hospital has been doing vaccinations at any point. Most major city centre hospitals should be vaccine hubs as far as I know, so it's worth maybe googling your local major hospital and covid vaccine see if any details come up or ringing them.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 19, 2021 11:30:37 GMT
Any walk ins around? My second jab on Sunday was cancelled so I turned up yesterday. Explained situation of cancelled appointment and was straight through. Definitely worth trying as 13 weeks is too late Not as far as I know. Try ringing the 119 number, also try your local hospitals. I don't know if it's the same in your area as mine but vaccination at hospital hubs are separate from the options you get on the NHS website . I phoned 119 last night, before booking online, as I was worried because the website said you had to book both jabs, and from what they were saying it seemed that they could only see the same availability on the NHS website as I could. I haven't heard that my local hospital has been doing vaccinations at any point. They want to get you vaccinated. I would try the local centre. Two or three who came in with me had appointments cancelled. They want everyone through
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Post by whoknows on Jun 19, 2021 14:07:05 GMT
Anyone trying to get a vaccination but unable to book an appointment through the NHS website might want to try their local Boots Pharmacy, as some, especially those in larger towns, are offering the service.
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Post by poster J on Jun 19, 2021 15:02:22 GMT
Anyone trying to get a vaccination but unable to book an appointment through the NHS website might want to try their local Boots Pharmacy, as some, especially those in larger towns, are offering the service. Though they appear to mostly be offering Moderna so are only useful for those who haven't had either dose yet.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 19, 2021 19:03:50 GMT
Most major city centre hospitals should be vaccine hubs as far as I know, so it's worth maybe googling your local major hospital and covid vaccine see if any details come up or ringing them. My mother has, unfortunately, been in & out of our nearest hospital since March and has seen no sign of them doing covid vaccines at any point during that time so unfortunately I don't think that's any use.
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Post by Mark on Jun 19, 2021 19:15:33 GMT
Keep checking around local sites if you're able to. I was able to get second dose of Pfeizer after 4 weeks after a tip-off on a local facebook group.
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Post by marob on Jun 19, 2021 20:04:50 GMT
It might be a slightly different situation because I’m in Wales, but I was told - wrongly - that I had to have my second dose in the same vaccination centre as the first, so when the letter came trying to send me somewhere else I phoned the helpline. The woman I spoke to told me there were no appointments at the original vaccination centre but to phone back later in the week. Did so, found the first woman had cancelled the second appointment altogether, but there were still no more appointments. Was told to email instead. So I did that. No reply. Finally tried the number again and got a woman who told me that it was ok to go to the second vaccination centre as they were using the same vaccine as the first and booked me in for my second jab.
My point being: it shouldn’t make any difference who you speak to, but it really does. Had I spoken to that last woman in the first instance she would have put me right straight away. I could have avoided a bit of messing about and just kept the original appointment. The vaccination system has been pretty remarkable, but it’s not without flaws. Try them again. And again if necessary.
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