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Post by isabel on Jun 14, 2021 7:11:51 GMT
Looks like Lloyd Webber will be going to jail. Seriously though are there shows which were planning on opening to Full Capacity this soon ?
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Post by Mark on Jun 14, 2021 7:18:57 GMT
Looks like Lloyd Webber will be going to jail. Seriously though are there shows which were planning on opening to Full Capacity this soon ? Heathers (21st June) Cinderella (25th June) Be More Chill (30th June) Joseph (1st July) Pretty Woman (8th July) Many others already open (Jamie, Six, Les Mis) and others due to open (Prince of Egypt) would have moved to full capacity in line with restrictions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 7:35:14 GMT
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Post by joem on Jun 14, 2021 7:42:58 GMT
Amazing to see how diversity and freedom of choice go through the window when it suits some. Democracy a la carte.
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Post by Mark on Jun 14, 2021 7:43:05 GMT
I fear you are right. There have already been comments from the horses mouth that they won't guarantee it to be only four weeks.
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Post by viserys on Jun 14, 2021 7:46:21 GMT
Could someone share the article as it's behind a paywall?
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Post by poster J on Jun 14, 2021 7:57:24 GMT
Always amused by this kind of discussion. As a German citizen I of course have an ID card, that I can show to everyone who wants to see it, to prove age, my home town etc. Used to be even good enough to travel to a certain country, for which I now need a travel passport. So a vaccine passport, which is coming out this week, is no problem at all. I'd love to show it to everyone I meet, would even carry it around on a lanyard. Happily. Exactly. Some people are just too paranoid for their own good. I presume everyone who is against carrying an ID card doesn't have a passport, a driving licence, a smartphone, a credit card and doesn't ever use the Internet! If none of that is true, then raising the privacy argument against ID cards really doesn't work as they have given up their privacy long ago.
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Post by poster J on Jun 14, 2021 7:58:45 GMT
If everyone who wanted a vaccination, has been offered and had the vaccination, then we shouldn't have to worry about those that chose not to. At some point we have to get on with it. We can't keep having lockdowns everytime a new variant appears. It's just not viable. Yes, but that point hasn't been reached yet, that's the whole point... I only got my first one yesterday and I am by no means in the lowest age group.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 14, 2021 8:03:27 GMT
If everyone who wanted a vaccination, has been offered and had the vaccination, then we shouldn't have to worry about those that chose not to. At some point we have to get on with it. We can't keep having lockdowns everytime a new variant appears. It's just not viable. The point is that won't happen until September at the earliest so my thinking is that even the new July date is probably too early.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 8:08:02 GMT
If everyone who wanted a vaccination, has been offered and had the vaccination, then we shouldn't have to worry about those that chose not to. At some point we have to get on with it. We can't keep having lockdowns everytime a new variant appears. It's just not viable. The point is that won't happen until September at the earliest so my thinking is that even the new July date is probably too early. And then when September comes, the doomsday lockdown loving 'scientists' (many who have absolutely no background in virology or epidemiology, some of whom are members of the Communist party) will come along demanding full lockdown for many many months to come because COVID is a seasonal respiratory illness. If it doesn't end on 21st June, IT NEVER DOES.
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Post by lichtie on Jun 14, 2021 8:24:41 GMT
The point is that won't happen until September at the earliest so my thinking is that even the new July date is probably too early. And then when September comes, the doomsday lockdown loving 'scientists' (many who have absolutely no background in virology or epidemiology, some of whom are members of the Communist party) will come along demanding full lockdown for many many months to come because COVID is a seasonal respiratory illness. If it doesn't end on 21st June, IT NEVER DOES.
Now you're in full blown tin foil territory. Also completely wrong (the data already show that coronoavirus is only weakly seasonal - at about the 10% level - so utterly unlike flu for example).
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jun 14, 2021 8:24:58 GMT
I've not had mine yet either and It opened to my age group 3 weeks ago, it's been a lot harder than it should to organise one and even now I've had to settle for going 10 miles away to get it done finally on saturday because I didn't want to leave it any longer and just get it done.
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Post by steve10086 on Jun 14, 2021 8:33:46 GMT
The point is that won't happen until September at the earliest so my thinking is that even the new July date is probably too early. And then when September comes, the doomsday lockdown loving 'scientists' (many who have absolutely no background in virology or epidemiology, some of whom are members of the Communist party) will come along demanding full lockdown for many many months to come because COVID is a seasonal respiratory illness. If it doesn't end on 21st June, IT NEVER DOES. I believe this is the post where you “jumped the shark”
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 14, 2021 8:48:34 GMT
And then when September comes, the doomsday lockdown loving 'scientists' (many who have absolutely no background in virology or epidemiology, some of whom are members of the Communist party) will come along demanding full lockdown for many many months to come because COVID is a seasonal respiratory illness. If it doesn't end on 21st June, IT NEVER DOES. I believe this is the post where you “jumped the shark” Outside of anything Nicholas has ever written, obviously, this is my new favourite post on the board. Had to look up phrase, it comes from a Happy Days episode, but I am going to use it. At least three times this week.
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Post by Jon on Jun 14, 2021 9:19:29 GMT
Can we kill this idea that scientists love lockdowns and want to keep society locked down or restricted? They really don't.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 14, 2021 9:24:57 GMT
Robin Ince put it best, I think anyway, with this tweet this morning.
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Post by The Matthew on Jun 14, 2021 11:32:44 GMT
Can we kill this idea that scientists love lockdowns and want to keep society locked down or restricted? They really don't. It's almost as if there's this weird perception among some people that the universe is fundamentally on their side and so everything has a duty to work out in their favour and if it doesn't then the only possible explanation must be that someone is actively subverting the world in order to make them suffer. Pandemics happen and history is full of plagues that have devastated continents, but some people seem to have a block against accepting that it could happen to them. Wars and famines and plagues are things that happen to people they've never met in places they've never been. They can't happen here. Not to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 11:36:30 GMT
Yes, but that point hasn't been reached yet, that's the whole point... I know it hasn't reached that point...what did you think I was referring to, the 21 June??
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Post by mkb on Jun 14, 2021 11:39:38 GMT
I do not understand why the theatre (and cinema) industry is even considered as being so risky that it can only fully open at the final stage of release from lockdown.
I think there is a very strong scientific case for full-capacity audiences, wearing masks at all times (i.e. no food/drink) in well-ventilated auditoria being a lot safer than what is already allowed indoors in restaurants and pubs.
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Post by southstreet on Jun 14, 2021 11:49:33 GMT
I think there is a very strong scientific case for full-capacity audiences, wearing masks at all times (i.e. no food/drink) in well-ventilated auditoria being a lot safer than what is already allowed indoors in restaurants and pubs. I think the 'no drink/food' bit is very important. Most people seem to have adhered to the wearing masks at all times rules but there have been a fair amount of people at each performance I have been to in the last year that have gotten themselves a drink or a snack and have used that as their excuse to not wear their mask, not just for the moment of taking a sip or putting a crips in their gob, but nursing their drink or snack all show long and therefore not putting their mask on at all. So I am all for not allowing refreshments in the auditorium until this is all sorted. ....Or ever again, really, cos I hate clinking ice cubes and the rustle of candy wrappers or popcorn or crisps during a show, but that is a different discussion.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 14, 2021 12:03:04 GMT
I think there is a very strong scientific case for full-capacity audiences, wearing masks at all times (i.e. no food/drink) in well-ventilated auditoria being a lot safer than what is already allowed indoors in restaurants and pubs. I think the 'no drink/food' bit is very important. Most people seem to have adhered to the wearing masks at all times rules but there have been a fair amount of people at each performance I have been to in the last year that have gotten themselves a drink or a snack and have used that as their excuse to not wear their mask, not just for the moment of taking a sip or putting a crips in their gob, but nursing their drink or snack all show long and therefore not putting their mask on at all. So I am all for not allowing refreshments in the auditorium until this is all sorted. ....Or ever again, really, cos I hate clinking ice cubes and the rustle of candy wrappers or popcorn or crisps during a show, but that is a different discussion. Theatres, much like cinemas, make most of their money not through ticket sales but through the sales of snacks and drinks. The sad fact is that if you bar theatres from selling drinks, you effectively end any chance of them making them profitable
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Post by mkb on Jun 14, 2021 12:46:06 GMT
Theatres, much like cinemas, make most of their money not through ticket sales but through the sales of snacks and drinks. The sad fact is that if you bar theatres from selling drinks, you effectively end any chance of them making them profitable Maybe it's long overdue that the theatre/cinema industry radically changes how a ticket face-value is constructed, and that an element for the profit margin of the venue is incorporated from the outset. I wonder what the average profit is per ticket on ancillary sales. I suspect it's not that much, as most people don't seem to bother buying anything.
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Post by sph on Jun 14, 2021 13:09:03 GMT
If theatres didn't sell drinks, tickets would become even more expensive to make up for the lost revenue, and they're expensive enough as it is. I totally agree though that it would solve the problem of people using a drink as a "loophole" in the rules to keep their mask off. It annoys me to no end. You may not like the rules, but if you've come to the theatre then you've agreed to follow them.
Although then you could argue that if people are sat in distanced "bubbles" in a theatre as they are at a table in a restaurant, then taking their masks off whilst seated should be ok, but then I don't know the science that differentiates one scenario from the other so I can't really comment in great detail.
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Post by Mark on Jun 14, 2021 13:27:23 GMT
Look at cabaret venues with social distanced seating also - no requirement for face coverings once seated.
There is much to be said about people over-reacting in this thread - only time will tell if they have been right. If in 4 weeks time, there are murmers of yet another delay, I wonder if everyone will still be so supportive.
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Post by kathryn on Jun 14, 2021 13:57:58 GMT
It depends what the numbers are doing, though, doesn’t it?! None of us has a crystal ball.
At the moment cases are high but deaths and hospitalisation relatively low, which is a very good indication that the vaccines are working and we can vaccinate our way out of the problem.
If the cases are high enough to allow doe a new variant with much higher levels of vaccine escape then we will be in trouble. It’s always been possible - that’s why the aim is to keep case numbers down too.
The nature of exponential growth is that things go from ok to very bad to awful in a really short space of time.
But there is no doubt that no-one wants it happen. There’s no scientists anywhere who want restrictions to continue just for the hell of it. Scientists go to theatres and cinemas and gigs and restaurants too you know!
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Post by The Matthew on Jun 14, 2021 14:13:05 GMT
If in 4 weeks time, there are murmers of yet another delay, I wonder if everyone will still be so supportive. If it's necessary it's necessary. It's not like Boris Johnson is sitting there thinking "My government is just too damned popular. I should try to do something about that."
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Post by isabel on Jun 14, 2021 15:07:53 GMT
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I’m all for the lockdown extension,As far as I’m concerned they can keep delaying as long as they need. Until they feel it’s safe to reopen everything. Who knows maybe another month is all we need to get things back under control & more of the population vaccinated.
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Post by christya on Jun 14, 2021 15:31:37 GMT
I certainly don't support an extension of all existing restrictions. There's definitely an argument for continued mask-wearing (I detest the bloody things, but they're the simplest measure to take and with the least cost) and I suspect we're stuck with those all year regardless, but I do think we're approaching the point where the restrictions just need to go. If it's an extension with a clear, reasonable, achievable goal, that's one thing. But no more of Boris and his 'just wait a bit longer' because we've heard it all before. We need to know what we're waiting for.
Personally I think some restrictions should be lifted regardless. Sitting in the Palace theatre the other week, I don't think it would have made a damn bit of difference if it had been sold to capacity. Proof of vaccination or negative test, plus a quick temperature check on the door and masks in the auditorium should keep a lid on it. I'm sure the same could be applied to other types of venue.
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Post by Mark on Jun 14, 2021 15:40:17 GMT
Personally I think some restrictions should be lifted regardless. Sitting in the Palace theatre the other week, I don't think it would have made a damn bit of difference if it had been sold to capacity. Proof of vaccination or negative test, plus a quick temperature check on the door and masks in the auditorium should keep a lid on it. I'm sure the same could be applied to other types of venue. This is exactly what I thought at Cruise/Les Mis. Yes there was blocked out seats in the row, but there was no distancing between the rows and everyone is facing forward regardless.
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Post by Roxie on Jun 14, 2021 15:59:13 GMT
argh this whole thing is so annoying!!! We were laughing! We were sitting pretty and then Boris the clown decided not to put india on the red list so he could do a trade deal with them and now look at us! It was all SO avoidable. How could anyone looking at the pictures from india in april and the amount of flights landing from there in the uk not realise it would be a problem? I beleive theatre are safer than restaurants and pubs and the argument to keep them at 50% capacity only makes NO sense. Didn't they say they'd base the decision on the pilot events? 15 cases from 68,000 people who were tested before entry. Why not just introduce mandatory tests/vaccination and masks?? Thats got to be better than thousands of people losing their livihoods!! I worry that 4 weeks will be come 8 weeks, 12 weeks, wheres the end? Hancock said in Dec that we would 'cry freedom' once all the vulnerable had been vaccinated. Well they have been so, another lie? When does it end? It's like a living nightmare and I'm getting to the end of my tether with it all.
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