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Post by ceebee on Apr 13, 2020 16:41:44 GMT
Social distancing won't last because we are not built to withstand such regressive devolution (socially or economically). Politicians are scared of being seen not to be protecting the public; however, the threat will eventually cease to be the virus but the very real existential threat of sustaining society without a viable economy. For this reason, even if death rates run at 10% per million of population, the wheels of all industry need to get turning again, and we will need to accept the higher risk of death to all of us and/or our loved ones. I'm still trying to understand how/why the world has literally stopped turning for a virus that has relatively low mortality rates, yet we accept X000,000s of deaths through famine, war, dictators etc. One of the key challenges of this pandemic is the fragility of the human ego in the face of stark reality. We are trying to control and manage a problem which threatens to unleash a much bigger problem worldwide. Still, pollution rates are down and nobody is travelling so Greta and co will be happy. No monetary flow, markets losing 1/3 of value, people trapped in enforced social isolation. This is a living farce, and one of the biggest melodramas of the modern day. Let's just steel ourselves and get things moving again, because as one person put it, we are "chopping off a leg to cure an in-growing toenail". Let us all sign waivers and disclaimers and get theatres open again.
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Post by Jon on Apr 13, 2020 16:44:28 GMT
I think doom mongering in general is not healthy. I'm not saying everything will be sunshine and lollypops but it's important to see that there will be a light at the end of the tunnel and not wallowing in misery and worse case scenarios.
I personally cannot wait to able to not only go to the theatre but visiting art galleries, museums and just seeing my friends face to face. It's things we took for granted and hopefully when things get back to normal, we will appreciate it a lot more.
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Post by Jan on Apr 13, 2020 16:45:35 GMT
On the BBC a senior Italian doctor who has advised the Iralian goverment has said she doesn't see Cinemas or Concerts returning till a vaccine comes. On the BBC now they're talking about social distancing lasting indefinitely. Obviously this won't happen because humans need contact and people will congregate eventually lockdown or not. This will mean that theatres will at least become a place where there is a reason to congregate and to an extent it can be controlled. The behavioural evidence which dictated when they imposed the lockdown indicated that people’s willingness to comply with it would start to reduce after a few weeks. We can sort of see that is likely to be true already. If only a small percentage of the population decide to ignore it there is absolutely nothing the government can do about it. Elements of social distancing can last forever in the form of changed behaviours though - not shaking hands for example. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 16:49:05 GMT
Social distancing won't last because we are not built to withstand such regressive devolution (socially or economically). Politicians are scared of being seen not to be protecting the public; however, the threat will eventually cease to be the virus but the very real existential threat of sustaining society without a viable economy. For this reason, even if death rates run at 10% per million of population, the wheels of all industry need to get turning again, and we will need to accept the higher risk of death to all of us and/or our loved ones. I'm still trying to understand how/why the world has literally stopped turning for a virus that has relatively low mortality rates, yet we accept X000,000s of deaths through famine, war, dictators etc. One of the key challenges of this pandemic is the fragility of the human ego in the face of stark reality. We are trying to control and manage a problem which threatens to unleash a much bigger problem worldwide. Still, pollution rates are down and nobody is travelling so Greta and co will be happy. No monetary flow, markets losing 1/3 of value, people trapped in enforced social isolation. This is a living farce, and one of the biggest melodramas of the modern day. Let's just steel ourselves and get things moving again, because as one person put it, we are "chopping off a leg to cure an in-growing toenail". Let us all sign waivers and disclaimers and get theatres open again. The world stopped because, in the UK at least, we are entitled to healthcare under the NHS and the only way the NHS can deliver care is if it isn’t overwhelmed. That makes perfect sense to me and I can’t even imagine what people would be saying if everyone who needed care simply couldn’t access to it. I don’t think Boris is necessarily scared of being seen to do ‘nothing’ - he was all for herd immunisation but that went out the window as soon as it seemed people could re-catch it. Now we are just trying to kill it I suppose - in theory, if we all stopped inside for a month we’d eradicate it. |
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Post by dippy on Apr 13, 2020 16:50:54 GMT
On a purely base primal level, the thought of not being hugged or able to hug again is the most depressing thought ever. Sorry to hear that's a depressing thing for you, but for me that's a dream world, I absolutely hate hugs. I'd also be very happy in the suggested world where we don't even shake hands. Back to the topic though, I have no idea how they'll tackle the reopening of theatres. |
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Post by basdfg on Apr 13, 2020 16:54:06 GMT
Social distancing won't last because we are not built to withstand such regressive devolution (socially or economically). Politicians are scared of being seen not to be protecting the public; however, the threat will eventually cease to be the virus but the very real existential threat of sustaining society without a viable economy. For this reason, even if death rates run at 10% per million of population, the wheels of all industry need to get turning again, and we will need to accept the higher risk of death to all of us and/or our loved ones. I'm still trying to understand how/why the world has literally stopped turning for a virus that has relatively low mortality rates, yet we accept X000,000s of deaths through famine, war, dictators etc. One of the key challenges of this pandemic is the fragility of the human ego in the face of stark reality. We are trying to control and manage a problem which threatens to unleash a much bigger problem worldwide. Still, pollution rates are down and nobody is travelling so Greta and co will be happy. No monetary flow, markets losing 1/3 of value, people trapped in enforced social isolation. This is a living farce, and one of the biggest melodramas of the modern day. Let's just steel ourselves and get things moving again, because as one person put it, we are "chopping off a leg to cure an in-growing toenail". Let us all sign waivers and disclaimers and get theatres open again. Considering how many people are dying I Don't see it as a melodrama. |
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Post by Jan on Apr 13, 2020 16:57:12 GMT
Over 10,000 British people dying on British soil hasn’t happened for god knows how many years. I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a day of remembrance sorted for it so no, I don’t think it will be forgotten. That's not the case actually - for example UK deaths from seasonal flu (on the same basis) are around 17,000 every single year. It is because we are not used to seeing these death numbers that they are so shocking. However I agree they'll have a day of remembrance. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 17:05:00 GMT
I think doom mongering in general is not healthy. I'm not saying everything will be sunshine and lollypops but it's important to see that there will be a light at the end of the tunnel and not wallowing in misery and worse case scenarios. There is a line between thinking the end of the world is coming and being someone who has to discuss and come to terms with what might happen (before it comes to pass). I appreciate some people like to ignore things until they happen (for mental health reasons etc) but the reverse is also very true, and one thing I’ve noticed is that a lot of people who like/need to play out and discuss where this is heading - or simply want to discuss possible scenarios are being called out for doom mongering when it’s nothing of the sort (not calling you or this board out btw, just making a generalisation). |
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Post by basdfg on Apr 13, 2020 17:12:22 GMT
I think one problem will be through that a lot of people in the UK won't react well to compulsory masks. That might make opening theatres even harder.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 17:18:56 GMT
I think one problem will be through that a lot of people in the UK won't react well to compulsory masks. That might make opening theatres even harder. Actually, if you are given a mask on arrival I think it would encourage people. |
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Post by Jan on Apr 13, 2020 17:23:46 GMT
I think one problem will be through that a lot of people in the UK won't react well to compulsory masks. That might make opening theatres even harder. You think ? There'll be all sorts of designer masks with artistic designs, logos, advertising even, I think people will go for them. |
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Post by basdfg on Apr 13, 2020 17:28:44 GMT
I think one problem will be through that a lot of people in the UK won't react well to compulsory masks. That might make opening theatres even harder. You think ? There'll be all sorts of designer masks with artistic designs, logos, advertising even, I think people will go for them. All the tabloids are full of how useless masks are so not sure people will. |
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Post by lynette on Apr 13, 2020 17:28:52 GMT
Not me. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 17:37:41 GMT
You think ? There'll be all sorts of designer masks with artistic designs, logos, advertising even, I think people will go for them. All the tabloids are full of how useless masks are so not sure people will. Useless masks are useless. Presumably if masks are mandated there will first be an effort to make sure everyone can get masks that will actually do something. And yes, I think it'll become a means of expression, just like people don't wear blank white clothes. I can see people having different styles of masks for different moods or occasions. Go to the theatre and buy a souvenir mask. |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Apr 13, 2020 17:38:16 GMT
Golly, most people where I live aren't paying the slightest bit of attention to social distancing or staying indoors (or at least only in as much as they need to to avoid being arrested) and clearly think it's a load of guff. A woman in the supermarket yesterday asked me to put her basket back for her, and flabbergastedly and loudly took the piss that I used the corner of my jacket to avoid touching it with my bare hands. Our local pub was doing lock-ins till last week.
Look at all the reports on the news about sunbathers and picnics and illegal parties.
There are plenty of people who'll jump at the first chance to get on a plane or attend a social gathering. The question is whether enough of them are theatregoers, and whether theatres will have enough money to give them something to attend.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 17:49:47 GMT
All the tabloids are full of how useless masks are so not sure people will. Useless masks are useless. Presumably if masks are mandated there will first be an effort to make sure everyone can get masks that will actually do something. And yes, I think it'll become a means of expression, just like people don't wear blank white clothes. I can see people having different styles of masks for different moods or occasions. Go to the theatre and buy a souvenir mask. If Phantom of the Opera isn't doing them already I will lose all respect for ALW's business acumen! |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 13, 2020 17:51:26 GMT
This thread is veering seriously off topic again.
Discussion of CV19 on TheatreBoard is not banned as long as the discussion does not seek to incite fear or breach the requirements about misinformation set by our forum hosts Proboards. See this thread for more details about that theatreboard.co.uk/thread/7863/covid-19-misinformation-announcement-proboards
If someone wants to start a general thread about the Coronavirus on that basis please go ahead but be assured will be very closely monitored to make sure that we remain within the guidelines above.
And for those who do not want to read the posts from members who seem to be revelling in doom laden negativity, instructions on blocking can be found here in FAQ number 17. theatreboard.co.uk/post/256470/thread
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Post by intoanewlife on Apr 13, 2020 17:52:20 GMT
Edited because of the above post. |
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Post by SuperTrooper on Apr 13, 2020 17:57:24 GMT
I was going to try and lighten the mood with my new profile picture!
I think these will be a big hit over the next few months 😁
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Post by basdfg on Apr 13, 2020 18:33:59 GMT
Golly, most people where I live aren't paying the slightest bit of attention to social distancing or staying indoors (or at least only in as much as they need to to avoid being arrested) and clearly think it's a load of guff. A woman in the supermarket yesterday asked me to put her basket back for her, and flabbergastedly and loudly took the piss that I used the corner of my jacket to avoid touching it with my bare hands. Our local pub was doing lock-ins till last week. Look at all the reports on the news about sunbathers and picnics and illegal parties. There are plenty of people who'll jump at the first chance to get on a plane or attend a social gathering. The question is whether enough of them are theatregoers, and whether theatres will have enough money to give them something to attend. Theatregoers tend to be the more quiet element of society.
French borders closed indefinitely (with exceptions for inter EU/EEA/UK travel) and no concerts till Mid July - gives a timeline of when tourism and theatre might return in the uk.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 19:07:41 GMT
I think one problem will be through that a lot of people in the UK won't react well to compulsory masks. That might make opening theatres even harder. Why not as long as they are given them? The problem with masks is supply, especially considering the NHS is apparently so short of them at the minute. I have one, but plenty of people I know haven't been able to source one and are relying on scarves instead. |
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Post by basdfg on Apr 13, 2020 19:18:25 GMT
I think one problem will be through that a lot of people in the UK won't react well to compulsory masks. That might make opening theatres even harder. Why not as long as they are given them? The problem with masks is supply, especially considering the NHS is apparently so short of them at the minute. I have one, but plenty of people I know haven't been able to source one and are relying on scarves instead. They have been told by the press how useless they are. My parents are all for the lockdown but are very opposed to being made to wear a mask. |
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Post by tommy on Apr 13, 2020 19:31:58 GMT
Living outside of the UK, I guess we will have to wait even longer to be able to come over again to see those glorious (off) West End productions.. It looks like traveling won't be possible for a long time.. That said, I really hope theatre will soon start again, perhaps with strict health guidelines, as health at first place of course! Certainly now in this dark period, people will need escapism that good live theatre can offer audiences.
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Post by ceebee on Apr 13, 2020 20:46:06 GMT
Social distancing won't last because we are not built to withstand such regressive devolution (socially or economically). Politicians are scared of being seen not to be protecting the public; however, the threat will eventually cease to be the virus but the very real existential threat of sustaining society without a viable economy. For this reason, even if death rates run at 10% per million of population, the wheels of all industry need to get turning again, and we will need to accept the higher risk of death to all of us and/or our loved ones. I'm still trying to understand how/why the world has literally stopped turning for a virus that has relatively low mortality rates, yet we accept X000,000s of deaths through famine, war, dictators etc. One of the key challenges of this pandemic is the fragility of the human ego in the face of stark reality. We are trying to control and manage a problem which threatens to unleash a much bigger problem worldwide. Still, pollution rates are down and nobody is travelling so Greta and co will be happy. No monetary flow, markets losing 1/3 of value, people trapped in enforced social isolation. This is a living farce, and one of the biggest melodramas of the modern day. Let's just steel ourselves and get things moving again, because as one person put it, we are "chopping off a leg to cure an in-growing toenail". Let us all sign waivers and disclaimers and get theatres open again. Considering how many people are dying I Don't see it as a melodrama. EDITED IN RESPONSE TO MODERATOR POST ABOVE |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 1:03:19 GMT
On the BBC now they're talking about social distancing lasting indefinitely. Obviously this won't happen because humans need contact and people will congregate eventually lockdown or not. This will mean that theatres will at least become a place where there is a reason to congregate and to an extent it can be controlled. The behavioural evidence which dictated when they imposed the lockdown indicated that people’s willingness to comply with it would start to reduce after a few weeks. We can sort of see that is likely to be true already. If only a small percentage of the population decide to ignore it there is absolutely nothing the government can do about it. Elements of social distancing can last forever in the form of changed behaviours though - not shaking hands for example. The concern for theatres, though, is the number of people who will not abide by any decision to un-lockdown. The margins are too fine if box office is 10 or 20% lower. Whilst there are some who are desperate to get back into the theatre, business plans need to take into consideration the many (as shown by responses here) who find that too worrying. Mixing live and streaming seems to cater for both, the ones who want to go out and those who want to stay at home. |
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