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Post by basdfg on May 3, 2020 20:39:34 GMT
Tourism will be back, the airlines are saying it'll take at least 5 years to get back to a pre-lockdown level of travel. Tourism, theatre, pubs, restaurants etc are all going to be only fully reopening subject to a vaccine or herd immunity. Anyone expecting "normal" theatre going in the next 18 months or so is being very optimistic. The big impact when theatre reopens is going to be what they are actually going to be able to produce alongside reduced capacity and social distancing (on and off stage). Big casts are probably going to be out so that puts serious questions marks over musicals, we're likely to not see the likes of Dench, McKellan, Pryce, Atkins et al on the stage for some considerable time if ever again owing to their age. By then through it might not be in fashion to go abroad - or even easy to do. |
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Post by intoanewlife on May 3, 2020 20:39:35 GMT
I agree, tourism always seems to bounce back fairly quickly after a major event like a pandemic or terrorism. I think this idea that everyone will not travel anymore to foreign countries for holidays is just ludicrous. By the time it does countries will have new economies and wont want visitors.
Plenty of places are going to be closed societies forever.
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Post by Jon on May 3, 2020 20:43:56 GMT
I agree, tourism always seems to bounce back fairly quickly after a major event like a pandemic or terrorism. I think this idea that everyone will not travel anymore to foreign countries for holidays is just ludicrous. By the time it does countries will have new economies and wont want visitors.
Plenty of places are going to be closed societies forever.
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Post by basdfg on May 3, 2020 21:04:49 GMT
By the time it does countries will have new economies and wont want visitors.
Plenty of places are going to be closed societies forever.
You’re drifting into fantasy land... It's well known a lot of countries want to end tourism. |
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Post by Nicholas on May 3, 2020 21:07:06 GMT
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Post by basdfg on May 3, 2020 21:10:47 GMT
An even bigger thing through is if stagged working becomes permanent and lots more people are doing shifts that end after shows start in the evening. Through equally people that end work earlier might be even more likely to go to a performance.
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Post by talkingheads on May 3, 2020 21:33:00 GMT
Does anyone know what the plan might be if theatres really don't open until next year, where does that leave panto season? It's my understanding that theatres cannot function without the income from it and this year will people go out in their droves to sit in close proximity to screaming kids in a season when germs are rife anyway?
It may be too early to tell of course. Personally if we are allowed I'll see ten pantos if they go ahead!
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Post by intoanewlife on May 3, 2020 22:48:34 GMT
You’re drifting into fantasy land... It's well known a lot of countries want to end tourism. Really? Which ones? |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 22:50:16 GMT
Really? Because the article I read says that although people are likely to wait a few months before booking foreign holidays it's generally expected that things will get back to normal within three or four years. On top of that it's likely that prices will be very low at first precisely to encourage people to get over their "you go first" reluctance, so the general expectation is that everything will pick up fairly quickly. And why shouldn't it pick up quickly? This is far from the first pandemic the world has seen. It's not even the first pandemic the world has seen this century, though many people forget that because H1N1 didn't have much of an effect on the UK. Once the risk is over it's over. Every other time people have got back to normal once the risk has passed and there's no reason things should be any different this time. People in the uk are getting more and more nationlist - easy to see soon it being seen as unpatriotic to not take your main holiday in the uk. Well in that case I am and will be very happy to be labelled unpatriotic, as that sort of country is not one I would be proud of! That, of course, is assuming your post was in any way serious and not just deliberately provocative. |
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Post by basdfg on May 3, 2020 22:53:27 GMT
It's well known a lot of countries want to end tourism. Really? Which ones? Malta. |
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Post by amp09 on May 3, 2020 23:12:23 GMT
You said a lot... so any others? Where you found this out? |
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Post by basdfg on May 3, 2020 23:33:17 GMT
People in the uk are getting more and more nationlist - easy to see soon it being seen as unpatriotic to not take your main holiday in the uk. Well in that case I am and will be very happy to be labelled unpatriotic, as that sort of country is not one I would be proud of! That, of course, is assuming your post was in any way serious and not just deliberately provocative. It was how the government spoke during the no deal debate. |
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Post by basdfg on May 3, 2020 23:34:20 GMT
You said a lot... so any others? Where you found this out? Have you missed all the anti tourism measures various places have implemented.
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Post by amp09 on May 3, 2020 23:37:34 GMT
You said a lot... so any others? Where you found this out? Have you missed all the anti tourism measures various places have implemented.
I’m genuinely interested in which counties have said they want to stop tourism, as would like to go read about it. |
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Post by basdfg on May 3, 2020 23:38:32 GMT
Because my dad is a technophobe and also has mild health problems I can see it being many years till I have managed my freedom (Being autistic that is not easy) and to go abroad again if travel agents and cheapish insurance don't return
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Post by basdfg on May 3, 2020 23:39:44 GMT
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Post by amp09 on May 3, 2020 23:48:15 GMT
That doesn’t mention any countries saying they want to stop tourism. Still interested to know which countries you were referring to when you said ‘it’s well known a lot of countries want to stop tourism’. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 4:04:15 GMT
That seems to be about how we can take this opportunity to rebuild the tourism industry into one that's less harmful. You seem to be going out of your way to be as negative as possible. A couple of weeks ago you mentioned that Czechia was going to keep its borders closed to the end of the year; your source was an article about how restrictions were being lifted across Europe but the only part you chose to mention here was the most negative part. Earlier you said that we'd never get international tourism again; your source was an article where most people were saying that we'd have to wait until there was a vaccine to have complete recovery and you chose to dwell on one person who thought it might never happen and tourism was dead forever. But what you persistently refuse to deal with is the fact that we have been through this before. This is not the first time there has been massive disruption to our way of life. This is the second pandemic of the 21st century. There were several last century, and a couple of world wars that not only disrupted life but also destroyed a load of the infrastructure that supported that life, something we don't have to deal with this time around. In the UK we spent a couple of decades where terrorism was part of everyday life. The world we had last year was a post-disaster world. We know that everything will bounce back because what we used to have was a bounce-back. I don't know why you imagine that for the first time in human history we're not going to be able to recover from this once the threat has passed. It's up to each of us whether we get out there and carry on or cower under the stairs in terror, and most people seem to be choosing the option that's the fun one. |
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Post by viserys on May 4, 2020 5:21:26 GMT
It's up to each of us whether we get out there and carry on or cower under the stairs in terror, and most people seem to be choosing the option that's the fun one. Well said. I stopped reading/engaging in this thread because of basfgds relentless negativity and unwillingness to see anything but the very worst aspects. I came here again because I thought there would have been some updates on the situation in the UK. The Fodor's article was well-writen about how tourism needs to CHANGE when this is over, especially adressing the linked issues of overtourism / cruises / too-cheap flights, but CHANGING has nothing to do with ENDING tourism. Malta is a ridiculous example, the island has very little economy apart from tourism (not counting a roaring trade in selling EU passports) and would never close its doors to tourism, but I can definitely see a need to cut down on thousands of cruise day trippers swamping the little island who contribute very little to the economy. To add some levity: Here on the continent, there are lots of discussions on how to get tourism going again, for example Austria is really pining to open the borders to Germany because they rely on German tourists. The Dutch are upset about the new French quarantine plans because they've been itching to get back to (Southern) France this summer. And Czechia is no longer "keeping its borders shut till the end of the year", they're already re-opening. Here in Germany the first states have introduced a plan to re-open everything in three stages throughout May INCLUDING theatres. While even I think that's rather positive thinking, there is none of that "everything is dead until 2021" doom-mongering here and I can't tell you how much it does for my mental health to get a few positive vibes of life carrying on and inching slowly towards normality. And that's me out again because I just can't deal with this perverse joy of doom-mongering and relentless negativity. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 6:51:26 GMT
Well in that case I am and will be very happy to be labelled unpatriotic, as that sort of country is not one I would be proud of! That, of course, is assuming your post was in any way serious and not just deliberately provocative. It was how the government spoke during the no deal debate. What does that have to do with the effects of coronavirus on travel or whether individuals will still travel? All that shows is that the government have no idea what most of my generation actually think and how we see the world. The government doesn't dictate how I think and it certainly doesn't control where I go on holiday if international borders are open, which many still are and many more will be in due course. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 7:42:35 GMT
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Post by duncan on May 4, 2020 7:59:56 GMT
Can you imagine arriving 90 seconds before curtain up only to find somebody in your space!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 8:52:21 GMT
Can't work out what happens if you need the loo partway through. Presumably everyone behind you has to reverse out.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 9:32:41 GMT
Can't work out what happens if you need the loo partway through. Presumably everyone behind you has to reverse out. Bucket. Just remember to drive carefully on the way home. For the standing ovation at the end everyone can open the sunroof, stand up and stick their heads out. But watch out for the buck... oh, never mind. |
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Post by talkingheads on May 4, 2020 10:51:26 GMT
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