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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 11:16:06 GMT
Initially it is likely to be the small to medium sized Theatres with ‘cheap’ productions and lower seat availability to gauge the demand, the National could open the Dorfman, for the large West End Theatres opening immediately would be quite gamble which most would be unlikely to take. Always puzzled why people think / would feel safer in a 300 seat theatre than a 1200+ seat theatre...before the show starts and the house opens, the foyer of the Dororfman is as packed as any foyer in the West End (Arts, Shaftesbury, Gielgud etc´. etc.) as are probably the toilets. You sit for two hours surrounded by people you don't know...if it's 500 or 2000 makes not much difference imo. Don’t get me started on the difficulty of trying to get in and out of the Donmar.....
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Post by vickyg on Apr 21, 2020 11:54:32 GMT
I think it will be somewhat essential to develop and have sufficient uptake of the tracking and tracing app in order to get the entertainment industry more or less back to normal. That will give me confidence to go into a theatre but I think it will also require an update to a lot of returns policies to encourage people to buy tickets. If people could, at a moment's notice, be told to isolate for 7 or 14 days or whatever they decide, they will need confidence that they can swap their ticket for a later date. I sway between wanting to get back at the earliest opportunity and being very aware that contact with unknown people could increase the length of time until I can visit my older parents. It's a tricky one.
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Post by xanady on Apr 21, 2020 11:55:29 GMT
Belgrade,Coventry offering 25% off all tickets for Autumn season.Guess theatres will want to push tickets like crazy when everything reopens to get cash flow moving asap. Just had my two commissions for writing my pantos confirmed so it looks like there will be a panto season this year...oh yes there will! Of course it’s all speculation and conjecture atm.Predicting the future is a bit like knitting with treacle.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Apr 21, 2020 12:06:52 GMT
MrBraithwaite agree from a personal perspective the risks to health are equal whatever the size of venue and as you point maybe more so in some of the smaller venues. Not made my point too clearly, my focus on venue size is based on the cost and investment required to put on a production, we would accept a minimal set and small cast somewhere like Jermyn St or Orange Tree over one of the larger West End Theatres and if we went into lockdown again the losses would be as minimal as possible.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 21, 2020 12:21:18 GMT
I think it will be somewhat essential to develop and have sufficient uptake of the tracking and tracing app in order to get the entertainment industry more or less back to normal. That will give me confidence to go into a theatre but I think it will also require an update to a lot of returns policies to encourage people to buy tickets. If people could, at a moment's notice, be told to isolate for 7 or 14 days or whatever they decide, they will need confidence that they can swap their ticket for a later date. I sway between wanting to get back at the earliest opportunity and being very aware that contact with unknown people could increase the length of time until I can visit my older parents. It's a tricky one. I am not sure all theatre's will agree to do that unless ordered too.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 21, 2020 13:12:13 GMT
Two interesting things to note from this.
1. The resumption of religious services is a sign the smallest theatres and cinemas might be soon opening in Austria and therefore similar things might happen in the UK. 2. A clear sign the summer international tourism season won't be happening which will have both positive and negative effects on theatres.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 21, 2020 13:16:58 GMT
I think it will be somewhat essential to develop and have sufficient uptake of the tracking and tracing app in order to get the entertainment industry more or less back to normal. That will give me confidence to go into a theatre but I think it will also require an update to a lot of returns policies to encourage people to buy tickets. If people could, at a moment's notice, be told to isolate for 7 or 14 days or whatever they decide, they will need confidence that they can swap their ticket for a later date. I sway between wanting to get back at the earliest opportunity and being very aware that contact with unknown people could increase the length of time until I can visit my older parents. It's a tricky one. I am not sure all theatre's will agree to do that unless ordered too. I'm not sure theatres will have a lot of choice. A no refund policy would mean no ticket sales.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 13:25:44 GMT
Having just popped out to Waitrose in Brighton, believe me there are plenty of people not at all worried about leaving the house! This is of course a completely non scientific poll.
Seriously though I do think that even though audiences will no doubt be smaller, the limiting factor here is theatres being allowed to open at all.
On a related matter - if this lead to a reconfiguration of seating in West End theatres that is no bad thing. They are SO cramped that frankly taking out all the seats and reinstalling them with ample legroom, non rubbing of shoulder and space for someone mid row to squeeze out for a wee without entire row standing up would be incredibly welcome.
As we have been mentioning Germany, all their new theatres are so spacious (both in seating and FOH) that by definition they pose less of a communicable disease risk.
Couldn't care less if Cam Mac selected every paint shade of the Victoria Palace loos carefully and painted logos onto the taps himself - it remains one of the most uncomfortable West End theatres as the seats are so close together!
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Post by basdfg on Apr 21, 2020 13:34:51 GMT
I am not sure it be that easy to take out seats to remove some - i imagine it is work that would take a few weeks plus then sometime to redo any tickets booked beforehand - don't want people turning up and having fights over seats.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 21, 2020 13:35:43 GMT
I am not sure all theatre's will agree to do that unless ordered too. I'm not sure theatres will have a lot of choice. A no refund policy would mean no ticket sales. I am sure some theatres will just tell people to give the tickets to family or friends if you can't go - more so for shorter or touring productions where it might not be possible to get an later performance
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 21, 2020 13:58:10 GMT
I think we have to accept that when theatres are deemed safe enough to open, people will go. No point social distancing in the auditorium because the foyer and toilets would render any attempt at spacious seating utterly pointless. I wonder if people will be made to sign some kind of waiver when buying tickets acknowledging the risk?
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Post by showgirl on Apr 21, 2020 14:10:20 GMT
It will be harder for regional theatres with a large older following or performances which normally attract a more senior audience. I'm thinking, for instance, of matinees at the Yvonne Arnaud in Guildford and my seasonal trips to matinees in Chichester. In fairness I have no idea if the evening audience is significantly younger at both venues but I suspect perhaps not that much.
Thinking of those as I'm really missing the trips I was due to make to both during the lock-down as both towns are so much more pleasant than London for a theatre-based outing: sitting in the castle grounds at lunchtime in Guildford or beside the River Wey, or in the small, almost hidden flower-filled garden just off the main thoroughfare in Chichester. Plus gazing longingly from the train at all that fabulous walking country...
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Post by richey on Apr 21, 2020 14:10:50 GMT
I've just had a very interesting survey from The Lowry theatre "After the Interval" asking questions about post-lockdown theatre going plans. The questions actually cover nearly everything that has been discussed in this thread (how long til you feel comfortable going to the theatre, what size venue do you feel comfortable in, should they add live streams etc) Anyone else had something similar from any other theatres? On completion it thanks you on behalf of all the theatre industry in planning for a successful reopening post-Covid19
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Post by showgirl on Apr 21, 2020 17:53:54 GMT
I've just had a very interesting survey from The Lowry theatre "After the Interval" asking questions about post-lockdown theatre going plans. The questions actually cover nearly everything that has been discussed in this thread (how long til you feel comfortable going to the theatre, what size venue do you feel comfortable in, should they add live streams etc) Anyone else had something similar from any other theatres? On completion it thanks you on behalf of all the theatre industry in planning for a successful reopening post-Covid19 Yes, I had that from ETO yesterday so perhaps it's a generic survey which theatres/companies then brand as if it's from them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 4:13:32 GMT
ENOUGH
People are coming to this forum for enjoyment. It's supposed to be a pleasant experience. Nothing about the past few hours has been remotely pleasant and it will stop. And for the benefit of those of you who are thinking "That told them", I mean all of you. The people who say we need to get back to normal no matter what the cost. The people who are cherry-picking the most depressing items of news they can find to make it look like everything is doomed. The people who think insulting someone is a way to counter an argument. All of you.
If you can't respect other people's feelings and sensibilities when you know how many are struggling then this is not the discussion for you.
I've rolled the whole thing back to 13 hours ago. Let's try this again.
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Apr 23, 2020 5:50:43 GMT
Interesting article from the BBC about the future of air-travel, but these quotes also interesting for theatres: "Responsible social distancing in the age of Covid-19 means staying at least 2m (6ft) from other people. But that’s impossible on a modern plane, where seats are around 45cm (17-18 inches) wide, so leaving the middle seat free only keeps you 45cm from your neighbour, side to side. You’d need to be more than four seats apart to keep 2m away. In other words, about as far away as the two window seats in any row of six seats separated by a single aisle. (We’re ignoring, for simplicity’s sake, any travel by passengers or crew up and down the aisle.) That’s side to side. Forwards and backwards, airline seats are spaced in rows around 75-80cm (29-32 inches or so) apart. So, if we wanted to keep people at least 2m apart, that would mean leaving two full rows free between each passenger. What that means is seating four passengers every 26 seats, which translates in percentage form to filling just 15% of seats. [...] Not all airlines are advocating the middle seat approach. Ryanair’s Michael O’Leary questions the effectiveness of adding just 45cm of separation, especially if passengers aren’t separated adequately on the ground." Which also applies to theatres, that are even more packed; just putting people on alternate seats is not really enough...and the capacity if done right is very small, there is no money to be made. There have to be additional ideas, also about the front of house and toilet-situation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 6:29:54 GMT
Realistically I can't see anywhere that has fixed and assigned seating being able to operate until we have a vaccine or a treatment. If we can get the number of infected people down to a suitably low level then most places will be able to operate with restrictions — shops can allow a limited number of people in at a time, restaurants can space tables out, and so on — but the lack of flexibility with theatres, cinemas and planes makes it expensive to adapt and mothballing is probably a better option.
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Post by Mark on Apr 23, 2020 6:47:10 GMT
Don’t forget though, any families of three/four would be able to sit together on a plane even with social distancing rules. Same would apply for theatre I guess.
The main difference though - some flights can be profitable at just half full. Some flights now are going with 20-30 passengers tops because the cargo alone is enough to keep the route in profit. We all know that for theatre to be viable, a larger proportion of the seats have to be sold.
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Post by Mark on Apr 23, 2020 8:09:48 GMT
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Post by crowblack on Apr 23, 2020 8:11:40 GMT
but the lack of flexibility with theatres, cinemas and planes makes it expensive to adapt and mothballing is probably a better option. They're doing entertainment/hospitality industry on the Radio 5 phone in right now (9 to 10pm).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 9:09:24 GMT
In Germany the ban on mass gatherings expires on 1 Aug - could be extended, of course, but it will be interesting to see how countries ahead of us manage the process of coming out of lockdown. Hopefully we'll be able to learn from them, even though each country has its different issues.
Rufus N was apparently also on R4 Today this morning, but I haven't listened to it yet.
I veer wildly between hope and doom at the moment, I guess the same as every one else! The uncertainty and unpredictability is so hard to deal with.
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Post by jess173 on Apr 23, 2020 9:31:13 GMT
In Germany the ban on mass gatherings expires on 1 Aug - could be extended, of course, but it will be interesting to see how countries ahead of us manage the process of coming out of lockdown. The ban is in place until 31 August officially but it surely will be extended. They have already cancelled the Octoberfest in Munich which usually starts late September... Germany tends to copy other countries at the moment so I think it’s better to watch Austria. They are already planning for summer vacation.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 23, 2020 9:46:35 GMT
In Germany the ban on mass gatherings expires on 1 Aug - could be extended, of course, but it will be interesting to see how countries ahead of us manage the process of coming out of lockdown. The ban is in place until 31 August officially but it surely will be extended. They have already cancelled the Octoberfest in Munich which usually starts late September... Germany tends to copy other countries at the moment so I think it’s better to watch Austria. They are already planning for summer vacation. Bavaira is a pretty tough region of Germany regarding the Virus.
Who knows if cases will soon start rising again in Austria, Spain's cases are starting to rise as their lockdown was slightly lifted. China has been the only place to need to fully lockdown in part of the country and so far managed to re-open but their figures are never accurate. (Taiwan and South Korea didn't really lockdown and excellent testing has so far worked.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 11:09:25 GMT
One of the things that Norris says (maybe one the more optimistic comments!) gives an idea of what to expect when they an reopen. 'Production budgets have been halved' meaning that the physical production must be being reduced massively. with fewer large sets, relying more on lighting and sound, smaller casts, maybe less live music. On that, I was thinking about orchestras and how some sections are more affected than others. In a pit they are really scrunched together, so with social distancing that isn't likely. Maybe pipe it in from an area that they can spread out in? String players, keyboards, guitarists and percussionists are fine as they can wear masks but wind players are expelling a lot of air through their instruments. I wonder what classical music forums are saying about this.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 23, 2020 11:37:26 GMT
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