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Post by NeilVHughes on Apr 18, 2020 13:31:00 GMT
Doom: Inevitable destruction or ruin
By definition we are not doomed, life for most of us will go on, will it be the same that is the big unanswerable question.
Time will be the determiner:
If we go back to normal in weeks most of us will comfortably slip back into our pre-lockdown lives with a few choosing a different path whether voluntarily or by imposition.
If it goes on for months and extrapolating from the extension of the furlough period to June the Government are leaning this way then there will be change, businesses will close, people will become unemployed and we will go through a period of adjustment. The infrastructure is there and if we want it to then the void will be filled by new businesses and opportunities.
It all depends on whether our values change, usually we go with the flow buffeted by life thinking the life we lead is the one we chose and therefore the only way to live.
For myself initial thoughts are
- I don’t particularly want to work where there isn’t an opportunity to work from home.
- I’m not sure I want to continue to work to consume and may look to relocate to a slower simpler life.
- I’m particularly sure that shopping is something to be delivered rather than something to participate.
Who knows where we will be in 6 months time, Theatres will re-open as entertainment and arts is core to the human condition as has prevailed in all societies throughout history.
We are all in grief now, for a few it is for loved ones and for the rest of us the loss of certainty and perceived control in our lives.
This will only be over when we accept Covid-19 is a risk to our lives we are willing to take, at the moment the risk is too high for most of us which is why we comply with the lockdown.
In time the NHS will readjust to cope with the numbers and treatments will improve in the same way as it has with other diseases, we live our lives in a state of risk analysis, we drive, we smoke, we cross the road, all activities that could kill us and in time Covid-19 will become another risk most of us will willingly take.
Are we doomed no, will things change yes, change is one of our greatest fears and aligned with the daily reminder of our mortality being anxious is natural and expected.
Theatre will function the same once the lockdown ends, when the lockdown ends depends on when society determines the risk of dying from Covid-19 is acceptable whether from a personal assessment or availability of treatment.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 18, 2020 14:34:50 GMT
Doom: Inevitable destruction or ruin By definition we are not doomed, life for most of us will go on, will it be the same that is the big unanswerable question. Time will be the determiner: If we go back to normal in weeks most of us will comfortably slip back into our pre-lockdown lives with a few choosing a different path whether voluntarily or by imposition. If it goes on for months and extrapolating from the extension of the furlough period to June the Government are leaning this way then there will be change, businesses will close, people will become unemployed and we will go through a period of adjustment. The infrastructure is there and if we want it to then the void will be filled by new businesses and opportunities. It all depends on whether our values change, usually we go with the flow buffeted by life thinking the life we lead is the one we chose and therefore the only way to live. For myself initial thoughts are - I don’t particularly want to work where there isn’t an opportunity to work from home. - I’m not sure I want to continue to work to consume and may look to relocate to a slower simpler life. - I’m particularly sure that shopping is something to be delivered rather than something to participate. Who knows where we will be in 6 months time, Theatres will re-open as entertainment and arts is core to the human condition as has prevailed in all societies throughout history. We are all in grief now, for a few it is for loved ones and for the rest of us the loss of certainty and perceived control in our lives. This will only be over when we accept Covid-19 is a risk to our lives we are willing to take, at the moment the risk is too high for most of us which is why we comply with the lockdown. In time the NHS will readjust to cope with the numbers and treatments will improve in the same way as it has with other diseases, we live our lives in a state of risk analysis, we drive, we smoke, we cross the road, all activities that could kill us and in time Covid-19 will become another risk most of us will willingly take. Are we doomed no, will things change yes, change is one of our greatest fears and aligned with the daily reminder of our mortality being anxious is natural and expected. Theatre will function the same once the lockdown ends, when the lockdown ends depends on when society determines the risk of dying from Covid-19 is acceptable whether from a personal assessment or availability of treatment. Countries will take some risks but things like global travel will only return post vaccine - no point having a tracking app if people are constantly entering and exiting your country.
Through how will an app work with a theatre audience anyway.
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Post by basdfg on Apr 18, 2020 21:10:18 GMT
No mention of what stage theatre is at on it. |
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 18, 2020 21:28:01 GMT
No mention of what stage theatre is at on it. Well that's complete and utter bollocks isn't it? Schools open means millions of kids picking up the virus and taking it home to parents, not a single chance it will happen. |
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Post by stevej678 on Apr 18, 2020 21:31:05 GMT
No mention of what stage theatre is at on it. After revealing in the first paragraph that schools may re-open on 11 May, further down the article acknowledges that this may not happen until September. For what it's worth, there is a brief reference to "larger events such as sport and concerts", the category which presumably includes theatre. It says these "would not be phased in until July or later in the summer." |
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Post by basdfg on Apr 18, 2020 21:58:22 GMT
No mention of what stage theatre is at on it. After revealing in the first paragraph that schools may re-open on 11 May, further down the article acknowledges that this may not happen until September. For what it's worth, there is a brief reference to "larger events such as sport and concerts", the category which presumably includes theatre. It says these "would not be phased in until July or later in the summer." I be surprised if they allowed at all - and even them will new shows open if the over 70's are banned from going to them. |
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Post by longinthetooth on Apr 18, 2020 22:13:50 GMT
Well, I won't be going to the theatre any time soon if the sub-heading is anything to go by - "Over 70s would be locked down for more than a year". Locked up, they might as well say. I can't manage to read any more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 0:22:00 GMT
The government tweeted that the schools are not reopening until scientific advice says it is safe to do so, in rebuttal of that press story. Someone in cabinet is deliberately briefing against the government here. I have my suspicions as to who but they are clearly miffed at being outvoted and are doing it repeatedly. Someone for the sack in the next few weeks?
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Post by Mark on Apr 19, 2020 7:17:04 GMT
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 19, 2020 9:00:22 GMT
After revealing in the first paragraph that schools may re-open on 11 May, further down the article acknowledges that this may not happen until September. For what it's worth, there is a brief reference to "larger events such as sport and concerts", the category which presumably includes theatre. It says these "would not be phased in until July or later in the summer." I be surprised if they allowed at all - and even them will new shows open if the over 70's are banned from going to them. Isn't that Cummings and Gove's Nudge unit at work? |
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Post by basdfg on Apr 19, 2020 9:26:47 GMT
Reading the article it seems theatres never shut in Seoul and the production only stopped due to a cast member falling ill.
But I know in Korea from my friend there lots of employers tell their employees not to go into the city centres or they might be sacked - could be something companies do here - so we might have millions of people unable to go due employers banning them from going to the theatre.
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 19, 2020 9:38:42 GMT
Reading the article it seems theatres never shut in Seoul and the production only stopped due to a cast member falling ill.
But I know in Korea from my friend there lots of employers tell their employees not to go into the city centres or they might be sacked - could be something companies do here - so we might have millions of people unable to go due employers banning them from going to the theatre.
I doubt any employer would realistically be able to enforce that. How would they prove it? How would they even know? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 11:06:58 GMT
Reading the article it seems theatres never shut in Seoul and the production only stopped due to a cast member falling ill.
But I know in Korea from my friend there lots of employers tell their employees not to go into the city centres or they might be sacked - could be something companies do here - so we might have millions of people unable to go due employers banning them from going to the theatre.
I doubt any employer would realistically be able to enforce that. How would they prove it? How would they even know? Because individual phones can be tracked (presumably by government not employer, though). That will need to happen here, I think, as a quid pro quo. You can restart working but your employer will be given details if you are in contact with someone infected. Given the location, they will see if their rules have been deliberately ignored and can sack anyone who has done that. Personally, my phone is so old it doesn’t even have wifi let alone bluetooth. |
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 19, 2020 12:15:18 GMT
I doubt any employer would realistically be able to enforce that. How would they prove it? How would they even know? Because individual phones can be tracked (presumably by government not employer, though). That will need to happen here, I think, as a quid pro quo. You can restart working but your employer will be given details if you are in contact with someone infected. Given the location, they will see if their rules have been deliberately ignored and can sack anyone who has done that. Personally, my phone is so old it doesn’t even have wifi let alone bluetooth. I'd leave my phone at home then. It's no good saying don't visit theatres if theatres are open. If it is safe enough for theatres to open then people will go. If it isn't safe enough then don't open them. It's the reason why coming out of lockdown will be so difficult and cause a second wave. The millisecond anything like pubs reopen people will descend upon them in the hundreds of thousands. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 12:37:42 GMT
Because individual phones can be tracked (presumably by government not employer, though). That will need to happen here, I think, as a quid pro quo. You can restart working but your employer will be given details if you are in contact with someone infected. Given the location, they will see if their rules have been deliberately ignored and can sack anyone who has done that. Personally, my phone is so old it doesn’t even have wifi let alone bluetooth. I'd leave my phone at home then. It's no good saying don't visit theatres if theatres are open. If it is safe enough for theatres to open then people will go. If it isn't safe enough then don't open them. It's the reason why coming out of lockdown will be so difficult and cause a second wave. The millisecond anything like pubs reopen people will descend upon them in the hundreds of thousands. In South Korea they know what happens if people hide what they are doing, courtesy of the religious cult that exploded that country’s outbreak. Safe means that tracking and tracing happens and your whereabouts are known (names are not published but you would be notified if you have been in contact with someone infected). That could end lockdown by the summer for people who sign up for it. Without tracking and tracing then lockdown will continue for much longer. If people want some freedoms they will have to trade it in for other freedoms, I may be wrong but I think most would sign up, so that they can go about their business rather than having to stay inside. |
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Post by duncan on Apr 19, 2020 12:42:02 GMT
The end of lockdown* will not be the end of social distancing. Pubs, restaurants, theatres, cinemas will still be required to enforce social distancing.
Unless there is a working vaccine or herd immunity we're all going to be living under social distancing for the foreseeable.
* - unless it lasts long enough for a vaccine that works to be created and tested and then administered to the populace across the world.
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Post by stevej678 on Apr 19, 2020 13:02:46 GMT
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Post by xanady on Apr 19, 2020 13:29:32 GMT
^The Daily Fail may be right...but what year??
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Post by talkingheads on Apr 19, 2020 14:16:41 GMT
This is probably the most realistic prediction I've seen, albeit the dates seem very optimistic, but in terms of the strategy it actually makes a lot of sense. Theatres etc are more likely to be August/September though I'd have thought. Not to mention there is no strategy for the inevitable second wave other than another lockdown, never mind that if schools reopen then they may as well reopen everything given there is no way kids will social distance in school. |
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Post by Sam on Apr 19, 2020 15:13:22 GMT
So restaurants reopening on my Birthday. Plans sorted!
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Post by david on Apr 19, 2020 15:21:35 GMT
At the moment, I am just hoping and praying that that the date for the reopening of the hairdressers is going to be ok otherwise I'm going to be looking like cousin IT from the Addams Family pretty soon.
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Post by showgirl on Apr 19, 2020 15:23:41 GMT
I've been hacking bits off mine. So now it looks even worse than usual but no-one cares at present. Plus, it's always clean and I can see out again!
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Post by NeilVHughes on Apr 19, 2020 15:30:17 GMT
Trying to look on the positive, at least there is an opportunity to try a new hairstyle when the opportunity arises.
The plan above seems sensible only the timeline maybe looks a bit too optimistic.
If true at least there is only a few more weeks until the hairdressers re-open with maybe another week of queuing.
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Post by longinthetooth on Apr 19, 2020 15:57:29 GMT
I'm over 70 - I may have another twelve months' growth to contend with if what they are saying is true. I predict a return of the mullet - the front and sides are relatively easy to trim but best leave the back well alone!
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Post by basdfg on Apr 19, 2020 17:47:52 GMT
So pubs will reopen but with restrictions but 1k or more people will be allowed to crowd into a theatre unrestricted - really? While pubs still have restrictions I can't see theatres being open.
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