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Post by frauleinsallybowles on Oct 17, 2022 12:37:22 GMT
Can anyone who's seen this so far tell me if front row of the stalls would be too close? Am going to grab one of the newly released seats, just trying to figure out what the best choice would be...!
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Post by FJ on Oct 17, 2022 12:49:36 GMT
Can anyone who's seen this so far tell me if front row of the stalls would be too close? Am going to grab one of the newly released seats, just trying to figure out what the best choice would be...! I don't think it's too close. You have a large set of steps in front that the actors use throughout to exit/enter the stage, so the stage is therefore a few feet back, to account for these so I would definitely choose front row. (I sat front row but one of the side sections on Friday). |
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Post by FJ on Oct 17, 2022 12:50:29 GMT
Can someone who has been let me know what the temperature is like in the theatre so I can come prepared for it to be hot or cold. I was just in a t shirt on Friday and felt absolutely fine. Can't remember ever being conscious of the temperature so think it was a nice temperature. |
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Oct 17, 2022 12:57:57 GMT
Can someone who has been let me know what the temperature is like in the theatre so I can come prepared for it to be hot or cold. it feels very hit or miss. When I saw Spring Awakening in December last year it was boiling hot in the theatre, when I saw Patriots in August I was freezing lol. |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Oct 17, 2022 13:16:48 GMT
Twitter appears to be making fun of some rather baffling ‘trigger warning’ notices meant to protect any delicate flowers lucky enough to be going to see it. Notices warning about getting a ‘booboo’ if they trap their fingers in doors or to blow into their hot coffee to cool it down first, are still being prepared. Well, no. One pathetic bloke threw a tantrum (poor man, so easily triggered!!) because the Daily Mail told him content warnings are for special snowflake woke liberals or something, and got his arse handed to him. Honestly this whole thing is so stupid. Of course there are gay people who due to their own experiences will find hearing homophobic slurs upsetting, or who would feel better knowing about it ahead of time. Why are people so invested in preventing minorities and people with mental health problems from being made more comfortable? Ditto, the parts about cancer are very graphic - descriptions of bleeding from the anus. Imagine if your husband had died a week earlier from rectal cancer? Or if you were an older person with rectal bleeding who was too scared to go to a doctor? Imagine how you'd feel going to see a play where a woman graphically describes anal bleeding, and is shown actually dying as a result of delaying seeing a doctor? Knowing the Tammy Faye story doesn't mean you can predict how much stage time will be given to her death. How many people know that detail about her anyway? It's not like Marilyn Monroe where she's famous for the way she died. I personally know a rape survivor who was worried about seeing this play because the cast list said an actor was playing Jessica Hahn (the woman who accused Jim Baker of raping her), because she didn't know if the production would stage the rape or not, or how violent the rape scene might be if it was included. The fact rape isn't mentioned in the content warning reassured her that the rape scene isn't included in the show. What kind of monumental cabbage-head wants to force a woman who's been violently raped to watch a rape scene without warning? That goes to show that guff about "audiences should do their research" is nonsense. Because there's no way to know what parts of a true story the writers will choose to include and how they'll present it. Anyone familiar with Jim and Tammy Faye would assume the rape would play a major role, but they would be wrong. Also remember this is the Almeida. Over the summer they had a play on that featured a scene where (discussion of real life suicide) a person attempts suicide by throwing themselves under a tube train, and by horrible coincidence there was an audience member who a few months prior had thrown themselves under a tube train and had obviously survived, who ended up having a panic attack in the theatre. What if that audience member - who evidently had been very mentally unwell - had walked out of the theatre, walked to Old Street tube, and repeated their earlier action? The chance that someone who recently survived throwing themselves under a train then unwittingly going to see a play feature the exact same thing must be tiny. But clearly the risk is there. The Almeida are obviously sensitive to the fact content warnings are needed. Besides content warnings are absolutely standard in theatre now. If you don't need content warnings then just ignore them. It has literally no impact on you whatsoever. I honestly can't imagine being such a sensitive little baby that I'd throw a public tantrum over the fact a tiny little sign exists. The tweeter needs to grow up. |
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Post by andrew on Oct 17, 2022 13:25:51 GMT
Ignore the haters, the theatrical industry has acclimatised to content warnings and they're not going away. My only beef with them is that I personally don't want to know what they are, I don't want to know about the gunshot, the homophobic slur, or whatever else because I want to specifically be affected by them and not be waiting for them, I love it when the big signs say there are some warnings and here's all the ways you can find out about them, but doesn't have in big bold capitals "WARNING GUNSHOTS FEATURE" etc.
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Post by alece10 on Oct 17, 2022 13:52:10 GMT
Can anyone who's seen this so far tell me if front row of the stalls would be too close? Am going to grab one of the newly released seats, just trying to figure out what the best choice would be...! I don't think it's too close. You have a large set of steps in front that the actors use throughout to exit/enter the stage, so the stage is therefore a few feet back, to account for these so I would definitely choose front row. (I sat front row but one of the side sections on Friday). I've got centre front row so good to know. Is there decent leg room and is the stage high please? |
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Post by danb on Oct 17, 2022 14:06:15 GMT
Twitter appears to be making fun of some rather baffling ‘trigger warning’ notices meant to protect any delicate flowers lucky enough to be going to see it. Notices warning about getting a ‘booboo’ if they trap their fingers in doors or to blow into their hot coffee to cool it down first, are still being prepared. Well, no. One pathetic bloke threw a tantrum (poor man, so easily triggered!!) because the Daily Mail told him content warnings are for special snowflake woke liberals or something, and got his arse handed to him. Honestly this whole thing is so stupid. Of course there are gay people who due to their own experiences will find hearing homophobic slurs upsetting, or who would feel better knowing about it ahead of time. Why are people so invested in preventing minorities and people with mental health problems from being made more comfortable? Ditto, the parts about cancer are very graphic - descriptions of bleeding from the anus. Imagine if your husband had died a week earlier from rectal cancer? Or if you were an older person with rectal bleeding who was too scared to go to a doctor? Imagine how you'd feel going to see a play where a woman graphically describes anal bleeding, and is shown actually dying as a result of delaying seeing a doctor? Knowing the Tammy Faye story doesn't mean you can predict how much stage time will be given to her death. How many people know that detail about her anyway? It's not like Marilyn Monroe where she's famous for the way she died. I personally know a rape survivor who was worried about seeing this play because the cast list said an actor was playing Jessica Hahn (the woman who accused Jim Baker of raping her), because she didn't know if the production would stage the rape or not, or how violent the rape scene might be if it was included. The fact rape isn't mentioned in the content warning reassured her that the rape scene isn't included in the show. What kind of monumental cabbage-head wants to force a woman who's been violently raped to watch a rape scene without warning? That goes to show that guff about "audiences should do their research" is nonsense. Because there's no way to know what parts of a true story the writers will choose to include and how they'll present it. Anyone familiar with Jim and Tammy Faye would assume the rape would play a major role, but they would be wrong. Also remember this is the Almeida. Over the summer they had a play on that featured a scene where (discussion of real life suicide) a person attempts suicide by throwing themselves under a tube train, and by horrible coincidence there was an audience member who a few months prior had thrown themselves under a tube train and had obviously survived, who ended up having a panic attack in the theatre. What if that audience member - who evidently had been very mentally unwell - had walked out of the theatre, walked to Old Street tube, and repeated their earlier action? The chance that someone who recently survived throwing themselves under a train then unwittingly going to see a play feature the exact same thing must be tiny. But clearly the risk is there. The Almeida are obviously sensitive to the fact content warnings are needed. Besides content warnings are absolutely standard in theatre now. If you don't need content warnings then just ignore them. It has literally no impact on you whatsoever. I honestly can't imagine being such a sensitive little baby that I'd throw a public tantrum over the fact a tiny little sign exists. The tweeter needs to grow up. I can totally get all of those very detailed examples that you have clearly spent a long time coming up with, and am fully sensitive & appreciative of all of them. However, my problem with lazy, entitled people feigning hurt because something they weren’t expecting happened remains. People need to take responsibility and accountability for their own lives as much as is humanly possible, so that when someone else is actually responsible for a misdemeanour or crime, the waters are not muddied with wishy washy liberalism or excuses for poor decision making. Our country is awash with people failing to take responsibility for their decisions and actions. That way the genuinely in need don’t get forgotten. |
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Post by kathryn on Oct 17, 2022 14:30:43 GMT
danb you have a bit of an ‘old man yelling at clouds’ vibe going on there. I am now picturing you as Grandpa Simpson. While I do think that ‘content warnings’ or ‘trigger warnings’ warrant further investigation - it wouldn’t be the first time that something intended to help people counterintuitively ended up doing more harm than good, because human psychology is really complex - it does make one sound rather like the old grump in the corner complaining about ‘kids these days’ and the ‘country going to the dogs’ when one complains about them like that. Old people have been complaining about the decline brought on by The Youth since at least the days of Aristotle. Kind of hard to take it seriously….
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Post by danb on Oct 17, 2022 14:36:23 GMT
Ok, thanks. Here’s hoping you never need the assistance of one of the many agencies currently not fit for purpose under our current governance.
Where was the trigger warning for casual ageism?
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Post by inthenose on Oct 17, 2022 14:41:54 GMT
danb you have a bit of an ‘old man yelling at clouds’ vibe going on there. I am now picturing you as Grandpa Simpson. While I do think that ‘content warnings’ or ‘trigger warnings’ warrant further investigation - it wouldn’t be the first time that something intended to help people counterintuitively ended up doing more harm than good, because human psychology is really complex - it does make one sound rather like the old grump in the corner complaining about ‘kids these days’ and the ‘country going to the dogs’ when one complains about them like that. Old people have been complaining about the decline brought on by The Youth since at least the days of Aristotle. Kind of hard to take it seriously…. A certain eye-rolling resignation sets in sometimes when people - who may otherwise have a good point in principle - take things too far. People want to push back against established norms - which is good - then individuals and sub-groups take everything too far and become victims in their own mind of injustice - just because everyone doesn’t feel the same way as them. This is Twitter’s raison d'etre. And yes, very often it is propagated by Gen Z. |
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Post by kathryn on Oct 17, 2022 14:48:15 GMT
Ok, thanks. Here’s hoping you never need the assistance of one of the many agencies currently not fit for purpose under our current governance. Where was the trigger warning for casual ageism? Given that the Tories are noticeably anti-all-this-kind-of-stuff and that they are the ones who are in charge of the government agencies, I really don’t think their decline can be blamed on theatre content warnings, can they? I know the country is in a parlous state, but I really don’t think Theatre is to blame for that |
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Post by kathryn on Oct 17, 2022 14:51:20 GMT
danb you have a bit of an ‘old man yelling at clouds’ vibe going on there. I am now picturing you as Grandpa Simpson. While I do think that ‘content warnings’ or ‘trigger warnings’ warrant further investigation - it wouldn’t be the first time that something intended to help people counterintuitively ended up doing more harm than good, because human psychology is really complex - it does make one sound rather like the old grump in the corner complaining about ‘kids these days’ and the ‘country going to the dogs’ when one complains about them like that. Old people have been complaining about the decline brought on by The Youth since at least the days of Aristotle. Kind of hard to take it seriously…. A certain eye-rolling resignation sets in sometimes when people - who may otherwise have a good point in principle - take things too far. People want to push back against established norms - which is good - then individuals and sub-groups take everything too far and become victims in their own mind of injustice - just because everyone doesn’t feel the same way as them. This is Twitter’s raison d'etre. And yes, very often it is propagated by Gen Z. Gen Z don’t have the institutional power yet for this kind of thing (give ‘em 10 years). They’re only just getting into the workplace. This kind of stuff was all introduced by Millennials and Gen X. But it’s always the fault of ‘kids these days’. Who are always conveniently 2 generations younger than the complainer. |
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Post by Jon on Oct 17, 2022 14:54:03 GMT
I'm not sure why people get upset by trigger warnings, either read them or don't.
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Post by kathryn on Oct 17, 2022 14:54:24 GMT
Where was the trigger warning for casual ageism? I thought you were anti-Trigger Warning?! Come on, mate, cheer up. We all have our grumpy days. I’m practically an old lady myself here - at least according to the young ‘uns. |
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Post by inthenose on Oct 17, 2022 14:57:37 GMT
Where was the trigger warning for casual ageism? I thought you were anti-Trigger Warning?! Come on, mate, cheer up. We all have our grumpy days. Bit antagonistic, no? |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Oct 17, 2022 15:06:03 GMT
I can totally get all of those very detailed examples that you have clearly spent a long time coming up with, and am fully sensitive & appreciative of all of them. However, my problem with lazy, entitled people feigning hurt because something they weren’t expecting happened remains. People need to take responsibility and accountability for their own lives as much as is humanly possible, so that when someone else is actually responsible for a misdemeanour or crime, the waters are not muddied with wishy washy liberalism or excuses for poor decision making. Our country is awash with people failing to take responsibility for their decisions and actions. That way the genuinely in need don’t get forgotten. But these "lazy, entitled people feigning hurt" don't actually exist, do they? You've simply invented them out of thin air for the purpose of manufactured outrage. (Unless you're referring to the person who literally threw themselves under a train, who we can safely assume was not merely "pretending" to be upset.) The only person "feigning hurt" is the Tweeter throwing a tantrum because he's chosen to be offended by the existence of a small sign. Can you post one actual example of a person who is "feigning hurt" over this production? Honestly this is just completely bizarre. A rape victim with PTSD finds it useful to research whether a play has a violent rape scene in it or not, and you're saying they should not be allowed access to that information, because it will somehow destroy the concept of personal responsibility and result in criminals getting away with their actions? Making a point of looking at the content warnings IS taking responsibility. Surely looking at the content of a play ahead of time, and applying that knowledge to your own self-awareness of your own mental health needs, is the definition of "taking responsibility for your own actions"? How else would someone "take responsibility" for a show no one has seen, given there's no way bar psychic powers of knowing what elements of Tammy's life the team have chosen to include, which parts they have chosen to leave out, and how they have chosen to portray and stage those elements? Your post is pretty rude. I spent perhaps three minutes writing my post. Obviously the fact the Almeida recently had a public controversy over content warnings is going to be mentioned in a discussion about... the Almeida having content warnings. I don't think it's appropriate to use an accusatory term like "you clearly spent a long time coming up with that" in response to a post discussing rape survivors. |
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Post by danb on Oct 17, 2022 15:20:33 GMT
I can totally get all of those very detailed examples that you have clearly spent a long time coming up with, and am fully sensitive & appreciative of all of them. However, my problem with lazy, entitled people feigning hurt because something they weren’t expecting happened remains. People need to take responsibility and accountability for their own lives as much as is humanly possible, so that when someone else is actually responsible for a misdemeanour or crime, the waters are not muddied with wishy washy liberalism or excuses for poor decision making. Our country is awash with people failing to take responsibility for their decisions and actions. That way the genuinely in need don’t get forgotten. But these "lazy, entitled people feigning hurt" don't actually exist, do they? You've simply invented them out of thin air for the purpose of manufactured outrage. (Unless you're referring to the person who literally threw themselves under a train, who we can safely assume was not merely "pretending" to be upset.) The only person "feigning hurt" is the Tweeter throwing a tantrum because he's chosen to be offended by the existence of a small sign. Can you post one actual example of a person who is "feigning hurt" over this production? Honestly this is just completely bizarre. A rape victim with PTSD finds it useful to research whether a play has a violent rape scene in it or not, and you're saying they should not be allowed access to that information, because it will somehow destroy the concept of personal responsibility and result in criminals getting away with their actions? Making a point of looking at the content warnings IS taking responsibility. Surely looking at the content of a play ahead of time, and applying that knowledge to your own self-awareness of your own mental health needs, is the definition of "taking responsibility for your own actions"? How else would someone "take responsibility" for a show no one has seen, given there's no way bar psychic powers of knowing what elements of Tammy's life the team have chosen to include, which parts they have chosen to leave out, and how they have chosen to portray and stage those elements? Your post is pretty rude and accusatory. I spent perhaps three minutes writing my post. Obviously the fact the Almeida recently had a public controversy over content warnings is going to be mentioned in a discussion about... the Almeida having content warnings. I don't think it's appropriate to use an accusatory term like "you clearly spent a long time coming up with that" in response to rape. Your post is very specific SamuelWhiskers. I was generalising. The example of your friend is appalling and I am in no way meaning to demean her lived experience. But I just avoid things if I think that they are going to cause me pain rather than run the risk. I’m not asking anyone else to do the same, but please don’t misquote me to turn me into a monster. There was no ‘that’ at the end of my sentence, nothing specific that I was referring to. I have plenty of my own demons and would never devalue victims of any sort of assault. |
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Post by kathryn on Oct 17, 2022 15:23:09 GMT
I thought you were anti-Trigger Warning?! Come on, mate, cheer up. We all have our grumpy days. Bit antagonistic, no? No - intended to be gently teasing. But hey, I am just as guilty as anyone else of not realising how my tone is coming across over the internet. (Which, was, actually the point of the initial post. I didn’t think danb quite realised how he was coming across there….) |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 17, 2022 15:26:16 GMT
And with that, let’s move on from the subject of trigger warnings please.
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Post by shownut on Oct 17, 2022 15:29:25 GMT
I second that motion.
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Post by alece10 on Oct 17, 2022 15:32:31 GMT
Can I also remind people posting reviews that before covid we always mentioned nudity or dogs on stage, that seems to have slipped. I think we should reintroduce it 😀
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Oct 17, 2022 15:44:50 GMT
Can I also remind people posting reviews that before covid we always mentioned nudity or dogs on stage, that seems to have slipped. I think we should reintroduce it 😀 Ha! Seconded. Nudity...? No nudity, but Jim and Tammy's TV show does re-enactments of Bible scenes, and there's one Bible re-enactment that features Jesus carrying the Cross to his crucifixion while being very homoerotically whipped by another man, and both are wearing gold hot pants identical to the ones Kylie wore in her music video. It's highly camp and rather surreal, and thematically ties in with a subtext about Christian fundamentalist homophobia often being an obsession with gayness and/or suppressed homosexuality.
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Post by kathryn on Oct 17, 2022 15:46:15 GMT
To change the subject, hello to AllAboutAndrew on Twitter, who has been compiling a thread of reviews and included some from this thread:
Please feel free to join in the discussion. (I hope you will have the chance to see the show - not sure where you are?)
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Post by kathryn on Oct 17, 2022 20:38:37 GMT
Welcome Sana! Keeping my fingers crossed for a cast recording so you at least get to hear the show! For a little taste of the kind of music that Elton John and Jake Shears have written together in the past, you might want to check out this, by Jake’s band The Scissor Sisters: Not sure how close in style it is to Tammy Faye though! |
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