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Post by Dave25 on Nov 27, 2019 19:18:59 GMT
Tom Hooper is completely clueless about this artform.
The essence of this artform is to stay away from realistic norms, as the language is per definition a triumph of the fantasy.
In Les Mis the biggest pitfall was to choose a too literal approach. Because this artform per definition is not. He fell into it.
Result: 2,5 hours of cringe worthy bleating in eachother's face in a literal world.
In Cats the biggest pitfall was to make the characters look too much like humans in a suit. Because there are only 2 routes here that could work, either realistic looking cats, or embracing the fantasy and create more cartoon-esque cats. He fell into it. They look like humans in a suit.
He does not seem to grasp what actually takes audiences on a sincere journey in this artform. I think he might even be convinced that both films work, because he has a different view of what is "real" in this artform than most audience members?
In Les Mis he's apologizing for the singing and the fantasy, in Cats he's apologizing for the cats.
Embracing it is the only option in my opinion. Raw and real, a sincere journey lies in different things from what he thinks.
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Post by ukpuppetboy on Nov 27, 2019 20:40:34 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 27, 2019 20:53:21 GMT
Even if I hadnt had my mind poisoned by act 1 at the Opera House Manchester a few years ago, the sight of james Corden in a fur fat suit but with totally human hands has killed it stone dead for me.
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Post by danb on Nov 27, 2019 21:00:59 GMT
...and my brain won’t let me past the horrible 3 hours I endured in the New London many moons ago. Apparently I looked visibly shaken in the interval, so disturbed was I by the whole enterprise. 5 words were spoken.
“Do
We
Have
To
Stay?”
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Post by crowblack on Nov 28, 2019 10:23:54 GMT
On FILM you can’t! On the silver screen everything becomes more real and that’s why everyone is freaked out about the number of nipples, noses, fur coats on fur, ratio and so on. Well, I grew up watching singing bears and snakes in the Jungle Book and loads of people cite the fox in Robin Hood as an early crush so I really don't see this as a problem. Btw, I do think it's a shame they didn't go for the classic, Jungle Book/101 Dalmatians-era Disney animated approach but everything is CGI now and celebrity faces sell a film. |
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Post by crabtree on Nov 28, 2019 12:58:27 GMT
Yep we should be celebrating the artifice. we've seen clearly with War horse that such artifice can still bear the weight of heavy drama and emotion. it's that lack of T S Eliot in the trailer, and the new banal language, that worries me. Funny how these big musical adaptations are scared of being seen as musicals. So many never knew Sweeney todd was a musical until they were in the cinema.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 13:04:49 GMT
surely someone must have seen a screener of this by now? Or are they just speechless? They’re still editing it! And as of Tuesday this week, were still working on the music at Abbey Road Studios!! |
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Post by sleepflower on Nov 28, 2019 21:00:35 GMT
I fear this is just the start of James Corden's musical theatre career. I have a horrible premonition of him playing Thenardier at some point  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 21:04:46 GMT
I fear this is just the start of James Corden's musical theatre career. I have a horrible premonition of him playing Thenardier at some point The start of his musical theatre career was in 1996, in the original London cast of Martin Guerre. |
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Post by anita on Nov 29, 2019 10:10:56 GMT
I fear this is just the start of James Corden's musical theatre career. I have a horrible premonition of him playing Thenardier at some point The start of his musical theatre career was in 1996, in the original London cast of Martin Guerre. Yes. I saw him & he was fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 10:45:04 GMT
The start of his musical theatre career was in 1996, in the original London cast of Martin Guerre. Yes. I saw him & he was fine. I would have done too, but to be honest, I have no recollection of him in it. 😁 |
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Post by ukpuppetboy on Nov 29, 2019 10:49:51 GMT
Yes. I saw him & he was fine. I would have done too, but to be honest, I have no recollection of him in it. 😁 Did he have any solo lines or featured part in any way? From memory he was ensemble. So “fine” in that he drew absolutely no focus. Something you certainly can’t say anymore. |
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Post by anita on Nov 29, 2019 14:06:36 GMT
I would have done too, but to be honest, I have no recollection of him in it. 😁 Did he have any solo lines or featured part in any way? From memory he was ensemble. So “fine” in that he drew absolutely no focus. Something you certainly can’t say anymore. Just chorus as far as I remember. |
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Post by Raven on Dec 1, 2019 9:51:00 GMT
The London premiere has been delayed due to issues with the CGI, according to the Daily Mail.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 1, 2019 10:05:18 GMT
I fear this is just the start of James Corden's musical theatre career. I have a horrible premonition of him playing Thenardier at some point The start of his musical theatre career was in 1996, in the original London cast of Martin Guerre. He was rumoured to star in Forum for a while but I think his TV career took off... I think he would be excellent in Forum. He would be playing himself but hey hum. |
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Post by danb on Dec 1, 2019 10:31:02 GMT
The London premiere has been delayed due to issues with the CGI, according to the Daily Mail. Reeeeaaaalllllly? Dodgy CGI or just a dreadful dreadful idea from the get go? |
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Post by amp09 on Dec 1, 2019 11:50:57 GMT
The London premiere has been delayed due to issues with the CGI, according to the Daily Mail. Cinemas are slowly losing confidence in this. Luckily it’s out Christmas week, so that’ll boost it, and Little Women is out 26th December so attention can quickly move on to that being a success. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 1, 2019 11:59:37 GMT
Issues with the CGI two weeks before release? Sounds more like an intervention.
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Post by d'James on Dec 1, 2019 20:33:00 GMT
I’ve just read it’s nearly three hours long. I don’t know what to say. Also, is there a link to the Daily Mail article?
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Post by Jon on Dec 1, 2019 20:58:05 GMT
I’ve just read it’s nearly three hours long. I don’t know what to say. Also, is there a link to the Daily Mail article? Given Cats isn’t even 3 hours long for the stage version, it’s probably not true |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 21:58:31 GMT
Cinemas are slowly losing confidence in this. Luckily it’s out Christmas week, so that’ll boost it, Howe are cinemas losing confidence in this?? To be fair, the trailer could have been the most amazing trailer ever created, but it's still going to only attract a certain audience. As i mentioned, ALW is still in Abbey Road Studios finishing the music and is booked again for this week, so i would imagine its that rather than CGI. |
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Post by amp09 on Dec 2, 2019 0:02:27 GMT
Cinemas are slowly losing confidence in this. Luckily it’s out Christmas week, so that’ll boost it, Howe are cinemas losing confidence in this?? To be fair, the trailer could have been the most amazing trailer ever created, but it's still going to only attract a certain audience. As i mentioned, ALW is still in Abbey Road Studios finishing the music and is booked again for this week, so i would imagine its that rather than CGI. Very little marketing so far surrounding it. No screener yet for programmers. Murmurs of issues with CGI, trailer backlash, customer feedback. We’ve just been told to allow for an extra 10 minutes on the original running time - so to still be in the editing suite 3 weeks out from release is worrying. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 2, 2019 1:27:13 GMT
I like the new song, Beautiful Ghosts which was written for one reason only, so that it can be eligible for an Oscar, didn’t know Taylor Swift was that talented. Meanwhile after playing the new song about 10 times both my cats headed for the cat flaps.
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Post by xanady on Dec 2, 2019 15:03:22 GMT
The trailer reminds me for some reason of those stuffed animals you see in a museum preserved by a taxidermist...very creepy and macabre.
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Post by danb on Dec 2, 2019 16:13:06 GMT
The trailer reminds me for some reason of those stuffed animals you see in a museum preserved by a taxidermist...very creepy and macabre. Sure you weren’t watching ‘Loose Women’? |
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