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Post by infofreako on Apr 13, 2017 1:02:25 GMT
Apologies then. I was reading your post as a response to something I had said earlier which looking back it wasn't. Also the wording in your first paragraph came across as harsh on first reading. Reading it back I appreciate that wasn't how it was meant so apologies for that also.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Apr 13, 2017 9:42:22 GMT
No, selfish: a selfish expression of your enjoyment. "I am enjoying this so much I am going to express it by standing up and blocking your view, and stuff you if you don't like it." I paid for my ticket same as you, therefore I'm entitled to express my appreciation for the cast if I want to! Your choice if you want to join in or not. And if you are physically incapable of doing so, then in this day and age you buy a ticket knowing perfectly well that people may stand up in front of you to give the cast a well deserved ovation. Plus people sit down for the curtain call after the bows once they realise it's happening, you're not being blocked from seeing that, so I'm afraid I think if you have a problem with standing ovations at the end of a show you really are just being a bit of a killjoy over a minute or two of time! "I paid for my ticket same as you, therefore I'm entitled to express my appreciation for the cast if I want to!! What you pay for is to see the show. When I go to the theatre, all I do is watch. I don't eat, play with my mobile, chatter, sing along, wave my arms, go out to the loo, dance in the aisles. I do nothing whatever to impede your concentration on the show. It is selfish of you not to accord the same courtesy to me. As for people saying that standing ovations 'go with the territory', they only go with the territory because people like you are selfish enough to go in for them. By the way, I wonder whether the fad for standing ovations has something to do with those talent-show things on TV. The producers love to have shots of an audience rising to its feet AS ONE PERSON for Susan Boyle or whomever. Of course, real audiences are not made up of one person, and it behoves everyone to be considerate of everyone else.
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Post by Tibidabo on Apr 13, 2017 9:47:38 GMT
paulbrownsey welcome to the board. Maybe you should have a look at the thread entitled "Bad Behaviour at a Show" where all this is discussed in depth.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Apr 13, 2017 9:48:58 GMT
I will bite as its me who mentioned those unable to stand and with a dig like that at disabled people youre clearly fishing for reaction. The person I take to theatre cant stand. She accepts her limitations in order to still do something she enjoys. Some possibly like yourself think she shouldnt have such opportunities but thankfully theatre on the whole is quite inclusive these days unlike your attitude. She as a result has no problem at all with standing and blocking her view at the end of a show to show their appreciation and accepts this will happen. In fact I often stand on occasions when the performance warrants it. What she objects to and what I made very clear when I mentioned those unable to stand is when people mid act whilst the performance is continuing decide to jump up in front of her to show their appreciation. No amount of you or others telling me you paid for your ticket youre entitled to so will convince me that this is acceptable behaviour. I really don't appreciate you reading into my post what isn't there, and telling me I have an attitude that is in no way displayed in my post. I did not make any sort of dig at disabled people - all I said was that people who are unable to stand and attend the theatre must surely buy their ticket accepting that a standing ovation may block their view for a few moments at the end of the performance - that's a simple fact given the frequency of standing ovations these days. How dare you extrapolate from that that I think disabled people shouldn't have opportunities. You know nothing about me, and for all you know I could (and in fact do) have disabled people among my family and friends, so I'm speaking from experience of them knowing their view of cast bows may be blocked momentarily, yet not finding that an inconvenience provided they get to see any curtain call that comes afterwards, when people can and should sit down. And if you'd bothered to read my post carefully enough then you'd realise that I was talking about standing ovations at the END of a show only, which is where I don't think anyone has the right to tell anyone not to stand up if they want to show their appreciation to a cast who were just that good. Ovations mid-show are completely different, and just as annoying as people who keep moving their heads and fidgeting, but that isn't what I was talking about. I think you did make such a dig. Your said, "Your choice if you want to join in or not. And if you are physically incapable of doing so, then in this day and age you buy a ticket knowing perfectly well that people may stand up in front of you to give the cast a well deserved ovation. " That is to say, the flippant "Your choice" was followed by a callous disregard of the fact that disabled people can't make that choice and just have to put up with people like you blocking their view. Read more: theatreboard.co.uk/thread/1322/42nd-street-theatre-royal-drury?page=66#ixzz4e7aHHmUJ
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Post by alece10 on Apr 13, 2017 9:52:38 GMT
There has been a lot of discussion on here in the past regarding standing ovations and whether they are warranted in every show. Yes I think it might be a "fad"in some circumstances but ovations have been around for a very long time indeed and it's by no means a new thing. 42nd Street is one show that deserves the ovation in my opinion just for the tap alone.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 22:43:07 GMT
I paid for my ticket same as you, therefore I'm entitled to express my appreciation for the cast if I want to! Your choice if you want to join in or not. And if you are physically incapable of doing so, then in this day and age you buy a ticket knowing perfectly well that people may stand up in front of you to give the cast a well deserved ovation. Plus people sit down for the curtain call after the bows once they realise it's happening, you're not being blocked from seeing that, so I'm afraid I think if you have a problem with standing ovations at the end of a show you really are just being a bit of a killjoy over a minute or two of time! "I paid for my ticket same as you, therefore I'm entitled to express my appreciation for the cast if I want to!! What you pay for is to see the show. When I go to the theatre, all I do is watch. I don't eat, play with my mobile, chatter, sing along, wave my arms, go out to the loo, dance in the aisles. I do nothing whatever to impede your concentration on the show. It is selfish of you not to accord the same courtesy to me. As for people saying that standing ovations 'go with the territory', they only go with the territory because people like you are selfish enough to go in for them. By the way, I wonder whether the fad for standing ovations has something to do with those talent-show things on TV. The producers love to have shots of an audience rising to its feet AS ONE PERSON for Susan Boyle or whomever. Of course, real audiences are not made up of one person, and it behoves everyone to be considerate of everyone else. Yes, I pay to see the show, and when the bows come around I have seen the show (the whole point of the cast taking bows is that the show has finished) and am therefore entitled to show appreciation and respect to the cast if I wish to do so. A standing ovation is a tradition that has been around longer than any of us have been going to the theatre for performances that one thinks are worthy of more praise than mere applause. And when I see such performances, I want to give the performers who have worked so hard for the last 2-3 hours to give me (and the rest of the audience) entertainment. If it's a choice between being more respectful for two minutes to the people who've given their all on stage for hours giving the best of their craft or to the audience member behind me who has been sat watching for the past 2-3 hours without their view being interrupted for that whole time, then I know who I'll choose. For me, it's about being considerate to the performers I've just watched if it's been especially good, and it's usually maximum two minutes of time. If a couple of minutes of people showing appreciation to the cast offends you that much, then of course it's your choice not to join in. There are plenty of times I don't join in an ovation when I don't think it's deserved. I have never said it's ok to block someone's view mid-show (though people who fidget in their seat are as bad as mid-show ovations in that respect), but you know exactly what you're missing if a standing ovation is occurring - people walking out on stage and bowing. I've never seen a show where people didn't sit down if there was a subsequent curtain call, except shows like Mamma Mia where you are expressly invited to stand and join in the fun. I'm afraid I therefore really don't see why anyone has the right to tell people not to give a standing ovation at the end of a show if they feel it's merited, and I'm afraid I will do so if I see a show I like enough, so apologies in advance if you ever end up sitting behind me for the two minutes of your view that might be blocked. Of course I appreciate that some people cannot stand, but given more shows seem to attract standing ovations now, my point was that it does seem to have become an occupational hazard of going to the theatre. There are of course ways to mitigate against it if you're organised enough and can afford to do so - sitting in the front row of any level of the theatre, in a box or on an aisle for starters, then your view is unlikely to be completely blocked. But all of that does seem rather a lot of fuss for a couple of minutes of time when you can still at the very least take in the atmosphere as I do when I don't give a standing ovation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 22:47:29 GMT
Apologies then. I was reading your post as a response to something I had said earlier which looking back it wasn't. Also the wording in your first paragraph came across as harsh on first reading. Reading it back I appreciate that wasn't how it was meant so apologies for that also. Thank you - reading back I should have worded it more clearly and carefully, so I owe you an apology as well. And also read the part of the original post that was talking about mid-show standing ovations, which I think are generally pointless and have only seen once at the end of Act 1 (Amber Riley in Dreamgirls, fully deserved, only happened at the blackout for the end of the act, not during her performance) and once where the audience went so crazy the whole show was basically stopped until people sat down and hushed (Cynthia Erivo in The Color Purple on Broadway, again the performance deserved an ovation, but that was a bit more jarring), as opposed to end of show standing ovations, which I have no problem in giving to performances that are just that good.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 15, 2017 11:46:04 GMT
What would you do with very tall people? Chop their heads off?
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Post by infofreako on Apr 15, 2017 12:47:07 GMT
What would you do with very tall people? Chop their heads off? Have special tall people seats dug into holes
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Post by Tibidabo on Apr 15, 2017 14:01:01 GMT
What would you do with very tall people? Chop their heads off? Have special tall people seats dug into holes Either is fine by me. Love, Miss P Pocket x
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 15, 2017 14:12:55 GMT
What would you do with very tall people? Chop their heads off? Have special tall people seats dug into holes Either is fine by me. Love, Miss P Pocket x
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 15:45:36 GMT
I think mid-show standing ovations can be more jarring because they literally do stop the show. I have seen a few (Wicked and Gypsy notably). When I saw Dreamgirls, the audience were all up on their feet once Marisha hit the last note of And I Am Telling You, and stayed standing and going crazy when the other girls came on for the last few moments of Act I. The same thing happened after Listen, but that was fewer people rather than the whole room.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 10:03:43 GMT
I have had the misfortune of seeing a number of the current series of Britain's Got Talent and I have to ask is there anything these people won't stand up for? There seems to be a constant panning of the camera to show the audience rising as one and I have begun to wonder if there are spikes on the celebrity panels' chairs given the frequency with which they leap to their feet. Have to be honest and say am not a big watcher of talent/reality shows so don't know if this is normal or par for the course
Obviously the audience shots are a bit suspect and may not actually reflect the truth plus having been present at a couple of TV tapings I know that sometimes the audience is 'encouraged' to act in a certain way.
Surely the panel though who have been in and around 'the business' a lot should show some restraint? I always thought an ovation was for something exceptional not because you chipped a tooth in 2005 and have bravely battled on to the stage now or because you are a small child or are marginally funny? Or lost your goldfish when you were 6 and are still dealing with the grief.
The joy of entertainment is that we all like different things for different reasons but doesn't this almost fawning OTT behaviour do us all a disservice?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 10:15:23 GMT
Re: BGT I had the misfortune of being an usher on several recordings. Short answer: no.
The audience shots are 'selective' but they're also whipped up into such a frenzy by the time the acts actually perform that I think they get excited out of sheer relief at having 'entertainment'. They have an (actually very good) warm up guy who comes on between acts to keep the 'hype' levels up and encourage them for the next act.
The one I didn't see much enthusiasm for it the Cardiff show a couple of years back when they filmed outside for 8 hours for 4 fairly duff acts. The audience was so frozen by that point that no amount of encouraging got much out of them...
They do however move audience members around according to attractivness. It's no conincidence for example that there always seem to be a pack of younger girls behind Cowell and co.
The panel of course also stand up for anything. Though sometimes it's hard to read certain people's expressions due to the fact their face doesn't move much anymore...
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 11:13:30 GMT
Ooh insider info, love it!
I see your point about immobile faces, I believe the last known facial expression from a certain person was in 2011, a Tuesday in November the rumour mill states....😝
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 11:42:59 GMT
Ooh insider info, love it! I see your point about immobile faces, I believe the last known facial expression from a certain person was in 2011, a Tuesday in November the rumour mill states....😝 "I was just so moved by your performance" "I was bored" It's a good job you said because otherwise we'd be none the wiser. I wasn't there, but rumour has it one year filming was delayed by 2 hours because Cowell was in the bath at his hotel ....
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Post by infofreako on May 14, 2017 11:57:38 GMT
Re: BGT I had the misfortune of being an usher on several recordings. Short answer: no. The audience shots are 'selective' but they're also whipped up into such a frenzy by the time the acts actually perform that I think they get excited out of sheer relief at having 'entertainment'. They have an (actually very good) warm up guy who comes on between acts to keep the 'hype' levels up and encourage them for the next act. The one I didn't see much enthusiasm for it the Cardiff show a couple of years back when they filmed outside for 8 hours for 4 fairly duff acts. The audience was so frozen by that point that no amount of encouraging got much out of them... They do however move audience members around according to attractivness. It's no conincidence for example that there always seem to be a pack of younger girls behind Cowell and co. The panel of course also stand up for anything. Though sometimes it's hard to read certain people's expressions due to the fact their face doesn't move much anymore... I have some interesting stories about former pop music show CD UK. I don't think producers would get away with these days
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 12:26:37 GMT
Whilst on the topic of BGT, it's made me remember being dispatched to a West End theatre box office a few years ago with strict instructions to only book tickets when 'the vile....' was definitely not performing. I therefore had to ask the box office when this BGT panellist was on a scheduled holiday or guaranteed not to perform.
Worryingly I was told I was not the first to make such a request. I only had a hazy idea of who this person was at that point but kind of understand the vitriol a little bit now.
No names, it's beneath me.....
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 18:12:57 GMT
When I went to watch the BGT Auditions, they actually got us to stand and sit about 5 times at the start whilst applauding and filmed us so they could use it at any auditions on TV. And at The X Factor live finals, they told you when to stand and sit, which later turned out to be the vast majority of the night. They also got us to download an app on our phone to hold up as a light during one of the performances and my friend was told to make sure she stood because when Dermot was talking to introduce an act with his back to the audience, we were in view of the camera and apparently the week before Simon had a girl moved to the back of the room because she refused to stand.
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Post by Dawnstar on May 15, 2017 18:14:08 GMT
The audience shots are 'selective' but they're also whipped up into such a frenzy by the time the acts actually perform that I think they get excited out of sheer relief at having 'entertainment'. They have an (actually very good) warm up guy who comes on between acts to keep the 'hype' levels up and encourage them for the next act. If it was Ian Royce as the warm-up man, then he worked the same magic at a recording of "Superstar." He had us in some sort of hypnotic state that made us jump up like Zeberdee at the end of every single performance. Clever bloke. Sounds better than Jarred Christmas at the PPGW filming, who I found deeply annoying. Mind you, I don't think I could have jumped up even if I'd wanted too as it was so hot in the studio that I was pretty much stuck to my plastic seat!
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Post by nash16 on May 9, 2019 23:06:01 GMT
I know, in the era of BGT and X Factor these have become an almost instinctual impulse, but at Death of a Salesman tonight (which was good, but not phenomenal) it was interesting to see many leapt to their feet, but on their faces a sort of apathy/resignation to doing so. It almost didn't seem like they wanted to, rather it was the "done thing".
Only a few of us didn't stand, and I'm sure there must be times when the seated do look around and think well we must stand up now, everyone else is.
You can nearly always spot Americans in a crowd as they leap(or resignedly get up) stand up first, in pockets, but I'm wondering if we are becoming or have become a nation of standees, even if the show doesn't necessarily warrant that kind of reaction?
Is anyone else very particular when and if they choose to ovate?
Does anyone look around to check if people are standing at the end before they do so themselves? (Or to check if they "should" be standing too, even if not feeling it?)
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Post by amp09 on May 9, 2019 23:27:09 GMT
I tend to save it for spectacular performances, however, I do find myself reluctantly standing if people have done so in front of me just so I’m not aimlessly looking at their bottoms and can see what’s happening on the stage.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 3:24:58 GMT
I tend to save it for spectacular performances, however, I do find myself reluctantly standing if people have done so in front of me just so I’m not aimlessly looking at their bottoms and can see what’s happening on the stage. I mean, sometimes that's a good view.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 7:01:46 GMT
Oh please don't get certain people started on this again, I feel like it is a topic that has been done to death on various threads here...
Anyway, my view on it is simple - if you feel the show is worthy of a standing ovation in your personal opinion, then give one if you want to. If you don't, then don't.
Whether a show "warrants" that sort of reaction is and always will be entirely subjective and what everyone else around you feels about the show is irrelevant - plenty of people stood when I saw Company but I didn't overly like the production, so I didn't. My prerogative. The people sitting beside me didn't stand at A German Life, I did. Their prerogative and mine!
It's nothing more complicated than that, and there's certainly no "should" involved, unless you choose to make it that. If people feel they have to stand up, that's nothing more than a personal choice on their part, no-one is forcing them to do it.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 7:20:27 GMT
Here, let me do it before Paul Brownsey pops his wee head up again.
*clears throat*
STANDING OVATIONS ARE INCREDIBLY SELFISH AND IT IS THE RUDEST POSSIBLE THING YOU CAN DO TO THE PERSON BEHIND YOU WHO HAS PAID £200 TO WATCH ACTORS BOWING
*ahem*
Anyway, look, stand if you think a performance warrants it, and leave other people out of it. Don't pressure them to stand if they remain in their seat, don't force them to sit down when they're just showing their appreciation in the time-honoured way, don't judge them if they stand but don't look ecstatic about it (maybe the play was emotionally draining, maybe they have an exceptional poker face, maybe they put their back out earlier), and don't judge them if they're in absolute raptures over a play you thought was adequate at best (okay, I definitely do the last one, but only in my head where no one else can hear it).
Oh, and don't be that asshole at the Old Vic that one time who decided he HAD to lean ALL THE WAY into me because the person in front of him was standing and he was SO SURE he'd miss something if he didn't see the bows but he wasn't *so* sure that he was willing to stand himself, I mean, come ON. Personal space, dude.
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