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Post by aspieandy on Nov 6, 2024 18:18:35 GMT
Obviously I am wrong in thinking these prices will drive people away. Can anyone explain the economics of all this?
Looks like we have to play the DP game. I looked at tonight earlier and, as said above, prices drop significantly on the day, perhaps not until the PM: tonight = £82, Friday it's £200.
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Post by mrmarmelstein on Nov 6, 2024 18:25:59 GMT
This morning at 9:30 seats for the matinee on Row C of the Royal Circle were £100, they had gone down to £62.50 by 10:30 (when I grabbed one), and the guy next to me got his in person at the box office for £42.50 a couple of hours before the start. He was thrilled when I told him how much he had saved!
Fully agree with all the praise being heaped on this too, and really glad I got to see it.
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Post by orchidman on Nov 6, 2024 18:47:25 GMT
Thought this was pretty middling. It certainly doesn’t help that it’s a fundamentally silly play — overreliant on coincidences and with characters that don’t make any choices, stripping the play of any stakes. But the production doesn’t do itself any favours. Given that everyone knows the story and ending, a modern production can’t rely on the big reveal as a reveal at all: you’ve got to fundamentally rework the play to embrace the audience’s knowledge, really leaning into it and finding the tension somewhere else. This production does that to an extent, making constant knowing jokes about parents/children/sex, but it doesn’t fully commit. So you’re left with a play where the central conceit doesn’t work, but nothing else has been offered to fill its place. Strong and Manville were fine, but not particularly impressive IMO; Strong flubbed a few lines too (though it’s previews, so fair enough). I saw Icke’s Dutch production of this a few years ago so couldn’t help but compare; I thought Kesting was a better actor but Strong is probably better suited for the part. Overall this was better than the Dutch version but still not great. 2.5 or 3* Yes, it's a very badly thought out version. Icke is a first-rate director but he botched up Schnitzler with The Doctor and now it's Sophocles getting butchered by his third-rate pen. The modernisation detracts from the dramatic power inherent in the concept of fate which is a mistake in the first place but this is compounded by the fact this is not supplanted by anything else in the narrative. By modernising you have to introduce some meaningful plot in the present that interlocks with the revelations from the past. Instead we have the main plot in the present day being an election that is already over bar the counting which never takes any twists and turns and a lot of expository backstory that is indeed rendered fundamentally silly taken from its original context and dropped into another context for no good reason. At best it's style over substance but it's a huge drop off from what he did with Oresteia and Simon Stone's Phaedra more recently was both more substantive and more stylish. This production is bad enough to make you question if Icke really knows what he's doing at all, and his upcoming play at the Royal Court written without any help from Schnitzler or Sophocles must have the potential to be a huge misfire.
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Post by mrekko on Nov 6, 2024 23:01:23 GMT
I really enjoyed this. The first half was a bit slow and felt quite disconnected or not sure where it was going, but the second half is really tense and eery with amazing performances, especially from Strong and Manville.
4*.
PS - does anyone know which is the piano song that plays during the last scene? I’m certain I’ve heard the melody before.
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Post by Rory on Nov 7, 2024 1:51:36 GMT
I was at the matinee today and found this to be utterly gripping, with spellbinding performances from Mark Strong and Lesley Manville. The lustful chemistry between them made the denoument very powerful indeed. These are difficult roles but they were so skillfully handled that I totally suspended any disbelief. Manville was terrific in particular. June Watson was off but was very ably replaced by Celia Nelson, who was Juliet Stevenson's understudy in The Doctor.
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Post by jr on Nov 11, 2024 9:33:36 GMT
Is the Grand circle closed for this? There a few dates with quite a lot of availability but GC with no seats available for any dayes at all. I find this weird.
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Post by theatremiss on Nov 12, 2024 17:03:11 GMT
I really enjoyed this. The first half was a bit slow and felt quite disconnected or not sure where it was going, but the second half is really tense and eery with amazing performances, especially from Strong and Manville. 4*. PS - does anyone know which is the piano song that plays during the last scene? I’m certain I’ve heard the melody before. Is there an interval? I was to.d it’s 2hrs straight through. Could you confirm please
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Post by altamont on Nov 12, 2024 17:52:32 GMT
I really enjoyed this. The first half was a bit slow and felt quite disconnected or not sure where it was going, but the second half is really tense and eery with amazing performances, especially from Strong and Manville. 4*. PS - does anyone know which is the piano song that plays during the last scene? I’m certain I’ve heard the melody before. Is there an interval? I was to.d it’s 2hrs straight through. Could you confirm please No interval, and yes, two hours straight through
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Post by aspieandy on Nov 12, 2024 17:59:31 GMT
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Post by theatrelover123 on Nov 12, 2024 18:14:16 GMT
That’s because Lesley Manville is not on tonight?
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Post by hamletothello on Nov 12, 2024 18:17:29 GMT
Is the Grand circle closed for this? There a few dates with quite a lot of availability but GC with no seats available for any dayes at all. I find this weird. There are often groups in the Grand Circle. I take groups of university students and we always sit in the GC. Every time I have been the GC has been sold out.
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Post by aspieandy on Nov 12, 2024 18:24:37 GMT
That’s because Lesley Manville is not on tonight?
No idea.
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Post by hamletothello on Nov 12, 2024 18:31:47 GMT
That’s because Lesley Manville is not on tonight?
No idea.
Lesley Manville not performing on evening performances of 9, 12 and 16 Nov
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Post by aspieandy on Nov 13, 2024 9:24:09 GMT
opps. That is a blow.
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Post by hamletothello on Nov 13, 2024 10:29:27 GMT
I saw her understudy, Celia Nelson, last night and thought she was fantastic. She understudies for both Merope and Jocasta but definitely is more suited to Jocasta. She and Mark Strong had great chemistry. The timing with the clock was a little off but you wouldn't notice if you hadn't seen the show previously.
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Post by theatremiss on Nov 15, 2024 22:22:40 GMT
Just on my way home after seeing tonight’s performance. I have to say I was totally gripped. Strong and Manville were just superb together, with such chemistry. The connection between them just felt so natural. If I had the time I would probably try to see it again, but as I’ve got the Old Vic production next year I could be all Oedipus’d out.
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Post by wannabedirector on Nov 15, 2024 23:05:27 GMT
Thought this was truly excellent. Having waited for this production a long time (maybe the play most delayed by the pandemic yet), I probably had unreasonably high expectations going in but this met all of those. Probably one of the best nights I’ve had in a theatre, thrilling in every sense of the word.
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Post by mkb on Nov 15, 2024 23:57:04 GMT
... The timing with the clock was a little off but you wouldn't notice if you hadn't seen the show previously. I noticed that the clock did not keep accurate time. The final 56 minutes actually elapsed over a little more than 57 minutes, so I assume they either reset it at some point of high drama when your distracted or can adjust the speed to keep it in pace with the script.
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Post by greatauntedna on Nov 16, 2024 1:33:33 GMT
... The timing with the clock was a little off but you wouldn't notice if you hadn't seen the show previously. I noticed that the clock did not keep accurate time. The final 56 minutes actually elapsed over a little more than 57 minutes, so I assume they either reset it at some point of high drama when your distracted or can adjust the speed to keep it in pace with the script. How did you notice that?
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Post by mkb on Nov 16, 2024 7:48:51 GMT
I noticed that the clock did not keep accurate time. The final 56 minutes actually elapsed over a little more than 57 minutes, so I assume they either reset it at some point of high drama when your distracted or can adjust the speed to keep it in pace with the script. How did you notice that? I worked out at what precise time the countdown would end and then checked when it did, as I was curious as to how they would cope if the pacing from the cast was off or there were any unexpected interruptions. Of course, it's possible I miscalculated. Obviously, it can't be done if you rely on a phone or lit-up watch for the time, and your watch needs to be reliably accurate to the second.
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Post by nash16 on Nov 16, 2024 10:33:41 GMT
As with everything with Icke, his ideas aren’t original, rather borrowed.
Use of a visible countdown clock to a big event in a play became widespread in German theatre quite a few years ago. German/European theatre is where Icke gets many of “his” ideas.
For those who saw it you’ll recall Macbeth used this device a few years ago.
The timing is done by the stage management nudging the time forward accordingly, using set cues, and as someone has said above, at moments when the audience are distracted, as the big moment come closer.
Sometimes this still results in the actors being slightly ahead of the action, but ensures they are never behind it. Actors with stagecraft like Manville and Strong can always fill the gap of that moment when they’re ahead.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 16, 2024 10:44:14 GMT
As with everything with Icke, his ideas aren’t original, rather borrowed. Use of a visible countdown clock to a big event in a play became widespread in German theatre quite a few years ago. German/European theatre is where Icke gets many of “his” ideas. For those who saw it you’ll recall Macbeth used this device a few years ago. The timing is done by the stage management nudging the time forward accordingly, using set cues, and as someone has said above, at moments when the audience are distracted, as the big moment come closer. Sometimes this still results in the actors being slightly ahead of the action, but ensures they are never behind it. Actors with stagecraft like Manville and Strong can always fill the gap of that moment when they’re ahead. By busting out a dance number? Saying their lines reeeaallllyyyy sloooowwwlllllyyyyyy? 🤣
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Post by max on Nov 16, 2024 10:50:45 GMT
As with everything with Icke, his ideas aren’t original, rather borrowed. Use of a visible countdown clock to a big event in a play became widespread in German theatre quite a few years ago. German/European theatre is where Icke gets many of “his” ideas. For those who saw it you’ll recall Macbeth used this device a few years ago. The timing is done by the stage management nudging the time forward accordingly, using set cues, and as someone has said above, at moments when the audience are distracted, as the big moment come closer. Sometimes this still results in the actors being slightly ahead of the action, but ensures they are never behind it. Actors with stagecraft like Manville and Strong can always fill the gap of that moment when they’re ahead. I'd like to think German experimental theatre took this idea from Noele Gordon and 'Crossroads' (riding the episode length, as depicted in TV Drama 'Nolly'). Icke is just bringing it back home. ; )
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Post by nash16 on Nov 16, 2024 21:34:37 GMT
As with everything with Icke, his ideas aren’t original, rather borrowed. Use of a visible countdown clock to a big event in a play became widespread in German theatre quite a few years ago. German/European theatre is where Icke gets many of “his” ideas. For those who saw it you’ll recall Macbeth used this device a few years ago. The timing is done by the stage management nudging the time forward accordingly, using set cues, and as someone has said above, at moments when the audience are distracted, as the big moment come closer. Sometimes this still results in the actors being slightly ahead of the action, but ensures they are never behind it. Actors with stagecraft like Manville and Strong can always fill the gap of that moment when they’re ahead. By busting out a dance number? Saying their lines reeeaallllyyyy sloooowwwlllllyyyyyy? 🤣 The night I saw it was hilarious. They got to "the moment", but still had 23 seconds to go. We all knew it was "the moment". They knew it was "the moment", but realised they were way too too early, so Mark just stood there, and Lesley did an amazing slow motion rise from the sofa and slowwwwwer walk across to him. But the audience vibe was just "sound the buzzer thing". Everyone knows the "twist" anyway, and it was painnnnful. I hope Lesley does a dance number for the final matinee though.
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Post by mrnutz on Nov 17, 2024 9:07:56 GMT
Is it possible to get a ticket for this for anything less than £200?
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