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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 18, 2019 17:34:55 GMT
This is presumably what Madonna is using, I just saw a Facebook post warning that a gig at the palace MCR - Hannah Gaskell? Never heard of her - will be using this. www.overyondr.com/faqSo we’ve all had a moan about phones in the bad behaviour thread, is this the answer? Would you support it being used for theatre as well as gigs? Or is this an example of punishing the many because of a few?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 17:55:48 GMT
It seems a bit of a hassle, and even though I routinely keep my phone switched off I still don't like the idea of being treated as though I'm too stupid to know that I'm not supposed to use it. And given that almost everyone has a phone these days that's going to create a load of congestion at the end of a performance. I suspect that many people will just walk out with the case and force it open at their leisure when they get home.
"Set your phone to vibrate as you enter the venue. You’ll be able to feel your phone vibrate through the Yondr case when you receive calls or texts. You may use your phone throughout the night at designated Phone Use Areas in the venue."
So it's not blocking the signal as I first thought. It just stops you using the screen. So if your phone isn't on silent it'll ring and you'll have no way to stop it.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 18, 2019 18:01:37 GMT
The implication being that this is more about photos and copyright than distracting fellow audience members tut tut.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 18:06:52 GMT
I really appreciate what this initiative is trying to do. But dictating and nannying an audience isn't going to help. In my honest opinion, I think ushers need to step in more. They need to be hot on it.
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Post by alece10 on Nov 18, 2019 18:43:31 GMT
Cant see it being very practical. Venue would need to take on extra staff to implement this. Also can you imagine a large venue like the o2 with 20,000 people leaving at the same time. The queues would be horrific. And if you forget to turn the sound off on your phone and it goes off in the theatre you wouldn't be able to get to it to turn it off.
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 18, 2019 19:07:22 GMT
What if you have a babysitter at home and need access? What if your work means you have to be on call? Equally it's all well and good saying there are phone areas. So every Tom Dick and Harry will now be getting up from the middle of rows forcing everyone else to get up to go out and then the same back again. Because that's MUCH less hassle right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 19:27:05 GMT
What if you have a babysitter at home and need access? What if your work means you have to be on call? If you have a babysitter at home and go out to the theatre then you should choose a babysitter who can be trusted to cope with a crisis independently, or what the hell are you doing leaving your baby in the hands of someone you can't trust to take care of them? If you're on call for work then you should make a point of only going to places where you can actually respond to a work call in a timely manner, or what use is there for you to be on call? If you're going to be an hour or two from home it's difficult to justify the claim that any phone call needs to be taken immediately, because it's not as if you can actually do anything immediately apart from telling the caller that you'll be home in a couple of hours and they'll have to handle it until then.
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Post by jaqs on Nov 18, 2019 20:08:28 GMT
It would be quite annoying to not have access to a phone while Madonna was deciding not to turn up for 2-3 hours like at many venues so far.
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Post by viserys on Nov 18, 2019 20:28:44 GMT
I don't think this is aimed at large venues or theatres with seating. Their website says:
"Yondr creates phone-free spaces for artists, comedians, teachers, organizations and more."
So I think it's more aimed at lectures and talks and such (which don't take that long or offer proper breaks regularly) or gigs in small venues such as pubs, where people can easily get up. It would also be easy to implement in concert venues that are standing room only, where people can push through to a "designed phone space" when their phone vibrates. I think concerts are also the worst affected by obsessive filming, often making it impossible for those further back to see anything but a sea of phones held high (and the singer staring into a sea of screens rather than happy human faces).
I can't see this work in bigger venues. And musicals especially often encourage the use of phones with countless people sharing photos of themselves in front of the stage (pre-show) on social media and filming encores, megamixes and the like (officially allowed) to also share. To disallow that would mean shooting themselves in the foot.
So... I can see it being a good idea in certain places and venues. I'd support it at concert venues with standing room only and venues with flexible seating where it's no problem to come and go. In a regular theatre though? Nope.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 18, 2019 20:59:22 GMT
The Facebook post was for the palace theatre. Seated.
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 18, 2019 22:11:26 GMT
What if you have a babysitter at home and need access? What if your work means you have to be on call? Equally it's all well and good saying there are phone areas. So every Tom Dick and Harry will now be getting up from the middle of rows forcing everyone else to get up to go out and then the same back again. Because that's MUCH less hassle right? The same thing people did for 2,000 years before mobile phones happened... I can't wait for this to happen everywhere. Every theatre, every concert arena and every cinema on earth should have them. Phones have completely ruined all 3 experiences since they arrived. I can't wait for it to be a thing of the past. If you can't survive without your phone for 3 hours, do the rest of us a favour and stay home x
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Post by harrietcraig on Nov 18, 2019 22:18:08 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 18, 2019 23:22:53 GMT
Genuinely interested how this is going to work at the Palace Theatre given the capacity is just under 2000, how much extra aggro is that going to create with that many people trying to get their phones back at the same time? Don't get me wrong I agree with the idea in principle it's in practice I'm doubtful.
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 18, 2019 23:44:03 GMT
Genuinely interested how this is going to work at the Palace Theatre given the capacity is just under 2000, how much extra aggro is that going to create with that many people trying to get their phones back at the same time? Don't get me wrong I agree with the idea in principle it's in practice I'm doubtful. There has not ever been one complaint I've ever heard from anyone who has ever been forced to do it. It is apparently a streamlined and extremely quick process that does not add any time to your entrance or exit from the venue. It's been used for the last couple of years in the US, mostly for big comedians (Ellen, Dave Chapelle) and even usually psychotic Madonna fans aren't griping about it.
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Post by princeton on Nov 19, 2019 0:54:02 GMT
Yondr pouches are actually being used on Broadway at the moment - at Freestyle Love Supreme, and Hannah Gadsby used them at her extended run Off-Broadway earlier this year (where audience members were asked to put the phone on airline mode before placing it in the pouch), and as noted above are increasingly being used in large scale comedy gigs in the USA.
And yes, in truth, it's less to do with inconsiderate audience behaviour and more about protecting IPR and copyright, which is why it's mainly comedy acts, sketch shows or musicians who are using them.
Of course you can say that you don't have a mobile phone - and as long as you switch if off before you enter the theatre no-one will be any the wiser - but it certainly makes it easier for front of house staff to spot anyone who does try to use a phone (for recording or other purposes) during the performance. I know that they've been used at Brooklyn Academy of Music which has more than 2,000 seats.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 1:07:01 GMT
If you're going to escort out people using phones, which I think is a great idea and should happen everywhere, then the pouches arent needed. Just make sure the audience knows it's a phone free show and if you're caught, you're out. That seems ok to me. The pouches are a bit condescending.
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 19, 2019 1:19:41 GMT
If you're going to escort out people using phones, which I think is a great idea and should happen everywhere, then the pouches arent needed. Just make sure the audience knows it's a phone free show and if you're caught, you're out. That seems ok to me. The pouches are a bit condescending. Every show is a phone free show x
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Post by Rukaya on Nov 19, 2019 1:25:56 GMT
Don't like the thought of them, especially if phones can STILL be on loud while in the pouch, that'll make it even more of a pain. I think it takes the mick out of the majority of people who aren't imbeciles.
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 19, 2019 1:31:30 GMT
Don't like the thought of them, especially if phones can STILL be on loud while in the pouch, that'll make it even more of a pain. I think it takes the mick out of the majority of people who aren't imbeciles. The pouch blocks any signal getting to the phone I believe x
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Post by random on Nov 19, 2019 10:12:11 GMT
I used it at the Hannah Gadsby performance at the Southbank Centre. It was totally trivial to put your phone in and to release it at the end of the evening. They're secured in a similar way to clothing anti-theft tags, so there are staff holding big magnets essentially to release them quickly.
No phones went off. It wasn't really an inconvenience at all, even for a couple of thousand people. There were quite a few staff there to do it. Not sure if that's a promoter, venue expense, or possibly whomever has the recording rights to the show and therefore doesn't want it leaking onto the internet before its inevitable release.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 19, 2019 10:21:35 GMT
Don't like the thought of them, especially if phones can STILL be on loud while in the pouch, that'll make it even more of a pain. I think it takes the mick out of the majority of people who aren't imbeciles. The pouch blocks any signal getting to the phone I believe x Not according to the FAQ’s www.overyondr.com/faqSo for the numpty who doesn’t switch to silent, the phone could be ringing in the pouch with no way of switching it off without leaving the auditorium.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Nov 19, 2019 10:28:48 GMT
Also thought they would block the signal as such cases are available.
Suppose they are only interested in stopping the recording and videoing of performances and the killing of the signal may be thought of as a step too far.
Only problem if you forget to put the phone in silence/vibrate you won’t be able to cancel the call and it will have to ring out.
Always switch my phone off so as long as there isn’t much inconvenience have no issue with this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 12:19:00 GMT
If you're going to escort out people using phones, which I think is a great idea and should happen everywhere, then the pouches arent needed. Just make sure the audience knows it's a phone free show and if you're caught, you're out. That seems ok to me. The pouches are a bit condescending. Every show is a phone free show x Absolutely!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 12:26:03 GMT
The case seems to serve no purpose. As many have said, if it doesn't block signals and if someone has left their phone on loud, it could ring and ring and ring until the person leaves the venue, which would be their prerogative unless an usher heard it and would escort them out. Before putting phones in the cases, they could make sure, for definite, that everyone was putting their phone into airplane mode. But this seems like total overkill, to me. It's condescending to regular, well behaved theatregoers. I also think it would put me off going to a show if I knew I was going to be treated like a plebian. Theatre ushers just need to be more proactive, unfortunately, it doesn't seem that many of them care enough or get paid enough to intervene with phone users and possibly cause a scene. Could this work best in immersive shows, possibly?
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Post by Steffi on Nov 19, 2019 13:40:36 GMT
Could this work best in immersive shows, possibly? Sleep no more in Shanghai has a system in place where they lock phones in little bags that you hang around your neck. They unlock them when you leave the show. When I was there it seemed to work - no phone use inside the show. But it did mean leaving the show took quite a while if you had to join the queue to get your phone unlocked.
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