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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 10, 2019 13:59:16 GMT
Didn't get to London yesterday for theatre as my Mum is unwell. After watching football last weekend all football games had a minutes silence. Wondered if this was a football/sporting thing or whether theatre did this? Can't ever remember this before but can't remember if I have been to theatre on remembrance weekend.
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Post by lynette on Nov 10, 2019 18:08:00 GMT
It is a football thing I think. Grandson had match this afternoon and they did a one minute silence which with a crowd of nine year olds is good.
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Post by david on Nov 10, 2019 19:30:32 GMT
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Post by duncan on Nov 10, 2019 22:38:18 GMT
With the continual glorification of the "poppy" appeal no doubt theatres will soon be forced into having a silence at the relevant time of the year or face the wrath of the likes of the Mail.
We've sadly gone down the American route over the last 15 years or so of turning a day of reflection into a month long crusade of glorifying war, for me it should be an individual decision outside of the national minutes silence on the Sunday. The likes of football clubs really should be ashamed at their attempts to outdo each other in the grief merchant stakes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 22:52:17 GMT
It both baffles and saddens me that anyone could perceive the poppy appeal as ‘glorifying war’. It’s quite the opposite.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 22:59:40 GMT
With the continual glorification of the "poppy" appeal no doubt theatres will soon be forced into having a silence at the relevant time of the year or face the wrath of the likes of the Mail. And so they should if there are enough people around like you who clearly don't understand or can't be bothered to find out what it's actually all about! In reality, participating should be optional provided those who choose not to show respect to those who do, but understanding what it is should be compulsory. I find your post hideously offensive to those who have lost loved ones or have/had loved ones who were horribly injured by war. Next time maybe do some research before you post something that is not only wholly inaccurate but inflammatory. Or go to the Field of Remembrance and see the people weeping at the memorials to their loved ones, as they were at Westminster Abbey today. That's certainly not glorifying war. |
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Post by duncan on Nov 11, 2019 10:16:14 GMT
Wow, if only I hadn't spent last Monday at the Memorial in London on which my Grandfather is named (and having to tidy it up as some Tw*t had spilled litter all over it and then left said litter) thinking about the futility of war and his death. And then I though about how my Granny had to bring up her children and run a business herself and how some internet idiots are offended by everything but that they have the right to do so because of people like my Grandfather laying down his life so that they could foam at the mouth on an internet forum.
So instead of getting your "offended of Tunbridge Wells" knickers in a twist and causing me grievous offence maybe just maybe think that some of do recognise the consequences of war but refuse to glorify in the celebration of it by the "poppy" appeal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 13:25:16 GMT
I’m genuinely confused as to how you could write all that - which to me is everything the poppy appeal is about - but then say the appeal ‘glorifies/celebrates war’.
So again, asking genuinely: can you help us out and explain why?
For example, do you feel there are too many remembrance silences and it should just be kept to one? Do you dislike the marching etc at the Royal Albert Hall?
And what do you believe we could do instead to more properly honour the injured and fallen?
It will honestly be a real and useful insight - all the other people I know who serve/have family members who served are all in favour of the appeal and actively take part in it.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 11, 2019 18:36:00 GMT
I’m genuinely confused as to how you could write all that - which to me is everything the poppy appeal is about - but then say the appeal ‘glorifies/celebrates war’. So again, asking genuinely: can you help us out and explain why? For example, do you feel there are too many remembrance silences and it should just be kept to one? Do you dislike the marching etc at the Royal Albert Hall? And what do you believe we could do instead to more properly honour the injured and fallen? It will honestly be a real and useful insight - all the other people I know who serve/have family members who served are all in favour of the appeal and actively take part in it. Jean I'm not writing for Duncan but I have a couple examples. I had a friend accosted by the poppy police this year for saying no thank you to a poppy. He preferred to show the two poppy sellers his medals when called unpatriotic. Also my grandad never wore a poppy. His father died in the first world war. He was in northern Europe and Africa during world war two. Haig's connection to the legion fund |
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 11, 2019 19:26:04 GMT
I won’t buy a poppy,
But I do participate in the minutes silence to pay tribute to our fallen, my grandfather paid the ultimate price.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 20:27:07 GMT
I’m genuinely confused as to how you could write all that - which to me is everything the poppy appeal is about - but then say the appeal ‘glorifies/celebrates war’. So again, asking genuinely: can you help us out and explain why? For example, do you feel there are too many remembrance silences and it should just be kept to one? Do you dislike the marching etc at the Royal Albert Hall? And what do you believe we could do instead to more properly honour the injured and fallen? It will honestly be a real and useful insight - all the other people I know who serve/have family members who served are all in favour of the appeal and actively take part in it. Jean I'm not writing for Duncan but I have a couple examples. I had a friend accosted by the poppy police this year for saying no thank you to a poppy. He preferred to show the two poppy sellers his medals when called unpatriotic. Also my grandad never wore a poppy. His father died in the first world war. He was in northern Europe and Africa during world war two. Haig's connection to the legion fund Oh that’s a shame and certainly out of order - thankfully all the poppy sellers I’ve met since I’ve been buying them have been very reserved and polite. And I can certainly understand how someone directly affected by Haig’s decision-making might have been offended by his role as president at that time. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 21:41:55 GMT
Wow, if only I hadn't spent last Monday at the Memorial in London on which my Grandfather is named (and having to tidy it up as some Tw*t had spilled litter all over it and then left said litter) thinking about the futility of war and his death. And then I though about how my Granny had to bring up her children and run a business herself and how some internet idiots are offended by everything but that they have the right to do so because of people like my Grandfather laying down his life so that they could foam at the mouth on an internet forum. So instead of getting your "offended of Tunbridge Wells" knickers in a twist and causing me grievous offence maybe just maybe think that some of do recognise the consequences of war but refuse to glorify in the celebration of it by the "poppy" appeal. You said it glorifies was, which is the exact opposite of everything in this post. Forgive me for being confused at the complete volte face... |
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Post by londonmzfitz on Nov 12, 2019 9:57:15 GMT
I’m genuinely confused as to how you could write all that - which to me is everything the poppy appeal is about - but then say the appeal ‘glorifies/celebrates war’. So again, asking genuinely: can you help us out and explain why? For example, do you feel there are too many remembrance silences and it should just be kept to one? Do you dislike the marching etc at the Royal Albert Hall? And what do you believe we could do instead to more properly honour the injured and fallen? It will honestly be a real and useful insight - all the other people I know who serve/have family members who served are all in favour of the appeal and actively take part in it. Jean I'm not writing for Duncan but I have a couple examples. I had a friend accosted by the poppy police this year for saying no thank you to a poppy. He preferred to show the two poppy sellers his medals when called unpatriotic. Also my grandad never wore a poppy. His father died in the first world war. He was in northern Europe and Africa during world war two. Haig's connection to the legion fund I read this yesterday and was troubled - bothered me all evening so I feel I either respond or fester on it for a bit longer ... I used to be a poppy seller, volunteered with the RBL at their offices and selling poppies at Liverpool Street and Brent Cross Shopping Centre. 2008 to 2012. Never came across any pushy poppy sellers and certainly no disrespect. Stand with a smile, no shaking tins under peoples noses. If poppy sellers were trying to shame your friend, GBL, they should be reported to the RBL as that's not in the spirit of the thing. But I think your friend might have more issues than sticking a quid in a bucket if he's carrying his medals around with him on a daily basis .... |
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Post by stefy69 on Nov 12, 2019 10:44:20 GMT
They gave their lives..... enough said
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 12, 2019 11:21:58 GMT
No I don’t think it is enough said.
Obviously people who sell/buy a poppy are coming from a place of goodness.
However my bother is that members of the armed services are civil servants and some have unfortunately suffered the most appalling injuries and some of these are life changing injuries. So I find it absolutely appalling and disgraceful that these great people come back from ultimately protecting us in war, they are simply turned aside to charity, when society is done with them.
Why don’t the politicians that decide to send them to the dogs of war, simply care for these great people when they come back? They deserve it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 13:19:07 GMT
Agreed, Phantom of London.
And they should be properly equipped for duty, too.
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Post by steve10086 on Nov 13, 2019 6:57:01 GMT
The Royal British Legion have debased a poignant and powerful symbol of remembrance, and turned it into a trashy piece of commercialism.
From Diamonique poppy earrings to a poppy bird bath, and everything in between.
I find it tasteless.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 13, 2019 8:13:09 GMT
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Post by londonmzfitz on Nov 13, 2019 15:55:38 GMT
I too found the whole fashion accessories line distasteful, but as theatremonkey says, the official line from RBL is they don't care how the poppy is worn, but that it is worn and money raised goes to the RBL charity. Moving with the times in commercialism.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 13, 2019 17:40:24 GMT
I think they’ve played a blinder ove4 the last ten years or so. The poppy appeal has to be one of the most successful fundraisers ever. If some people don’t like diamanté poppies then they don’t have buy them but the fact that some people do, and are happy to pay for them is fine by me.
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Post by steve10086 on Nov 13, 2019 19:09:51 GMT
Just a shame that the remembrance symbol has been turned so tacky and chavy. But that’s the route they chose.
When I was a kid Remembrance Sunday was about the two world wars. I find mixed messages in the whole thing now.
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Post by Marcus on Nov 13, 2019 21:38:55 GMT
I can understand people’s dislike of certain things the RBL produce. But equally it’s all raising vital funds (which I also agree shouldn’t be needed as it should be government funded).
Also it’s not simply about the two world wars, there have since been major conflicts with fallen soldier and civilians who we should be thinking about also
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 0:09:46 GMT
I wore a poppy for many years but I stopped when I found out that Service Personnel don't contribute to their pensions yet Emergency Services have to pay in double figure contributions. I think that Service staff above a certain rank should pay in, if they are addressed as Sir or Ma'am by their subordinates then they should pay in.
Also the Royal Family running around in uniforms they haven't earned I find distasteful and I think it makes them bigger terrorist targets. The Sovereign in the Head of the Church of England but you don't see them dressed up as an Archbishop etc.
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Post by marob on Nov 14, 2019 0:49:22 GMT
I wore a poppy for many years but I stopped when I found out that Service Personnel don't contribute to their pensions yet Emergency Services have to pay in double figure contributions. I think that Service staff above a certain rank should pay in, if they are addressed as Sir or Ma'am by their subordinates then they should pay in. Also the Royal Family running around in uniforms they haven't earned I find distasteful and I think it makes them bigger terrorist targets. The Sovereign in the Head of the Church of England but you don't see them dressed up as an Archbishop etc. You're not suggesting that Princess Anne dressing up like she's riding off to battle Napoleon is ridiculous, are you? |
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Post by mistressjojo on Nov 14, 2019 1:44:10 GMT
I wore a poppy for many years but I stopped when I found out that Service Personnel don't contribute to their pensions yet Emergency Services have to pay in double figure contributions. I think that Service staff above a certain rank should pay in, if they are addressed as Sir or Ma'am by their subordinates then they should pay in. Also the Royal Family running around in uniforms they haven't earned I find distasteful and I think it makes them bigger terrorist targets. The Sovereign in the Head of the Church of England but you don't see them dressed up as an Archbishop etc. You're not suggesting that Princess Anne dressing up like she's riding off to battle Napoleon is ridiculous, are you? The Princess Royal and Prince Edward are the only current members of the royal family (not including wives & husbands) without military service records, but Anne is an honorary officer of many services so entitled to dress as such. Even the Queen saw service in WW2 in the ATS ( before women could join the army). |
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