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Post by Latecomer on Oct 14, 2019 7:04:58 GMT
Help! Husband and I are at the planning stage for a 2 week visit to New York next September (I like to be organised!) on a special holiday and I thought I would ask for help on here, as I know people visit for theatre there.....any recommendations for cheapish hotel to stay in? We are planning to do all the usual tourist things and take in a day at US Open tennis and possibly a show or two and then just soak up the New York way of life (husband wants to eat pancakes and drink coffee at a diner!) Currently finding the whole thing a bit overwhelming so would welcome any recommendations for accommodation and things to do!
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Post by viserys on Oct 14, 2019 7:37:26 GMT
If you want to go in September, definitely try and time it with "Broadway Week" when many shows have "2 for 1" ticket deals to tide them over the bad weeks after the summer season. It should actually coincide with the US Open.
There are no cheapish hotels that aren't utter dregs in New York. You can try and save by staying outside Manhattan (i.e. Long Island City) and take the Subway in, if you don't mind the to and fro. Most everything in Manhattan is way overpriced for tiny shoebox rooms, so manage your expectations. That said, I thought the Travel Inn on 42nd Street was fairly decently priced and unusually for Manhattan it has a swimming pool. It's in walking distance to Times Square but far away enough from the overwhelming tourist hell there.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 14, 2019 7:47:01 GMT
I was there over summer with my husband and my (shudder) mother in law. She stayed at the Park Terrace Hotel which she was very complimentary about, though she did upgrade to one above their standard rooms- it's not too expensive, for Manhatten, and very central. parkterracehotel.com/Definitely go to the 9/11 Memorial though some of it is quite harrowing, the trip up the Freedom tower is less essential but has some great moments. The Rainbow Room is worth a trip for an expensive night out and the chance to go out on the terrace and see the city at night, it's not even as pricey as you think it will be. There's an interesting 2 hour ferry tour around the island which is worth it on a nice day. We walked across the Brooklyn Bridge but I can't say I would have been that bothered if we hadn't, exploring Brooklyn itself is probably a better use of your time. The Frick Collection is a gorgeous Art Gallery in a 5th Avenue Townhouse which is worth a visit. Make sure any touristy things you want to do you go on the website and book as there are usually queue jump and priority options as many people didn't seem to bother. Central Manhatten doesn't really have that many diners so you're best to head further out for a proper pancake breakfast. US Open - you're probably best not to go for Arthur Ashe unless you're only there for the second week of the Open, there's lots of tennis to see and usually more competitive matches with just a ground pass or a ticket to one of the smaller show courts. The Stonewall Inn is worth a visit and there is a really fun cabaret and Piano bar just a few doors away called the Duplex. Obviously Central Park is a must, The Tavern On The Green is nice though pricey. We needed it as an escape from the heat though as we were there in late July. Food wise, you'll struggle to have a bad meal, we had one - down by the docks before going on the Ferry ride. The Pubs are normally a safe bet if you're looking for something quick. On that note New York is hot(though not so much in September), dirty, noisy and crowded so plan in some quieter or rest days to break it up. The High Line is a nice, more relaxed thing to do and obviously Central Park.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 14, 2019 15:47:57 GMT
Eat at Eataly, any one of the many restaurants
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 14, 2019 15:51:47 GMT
Manhattan you want to stay as close to Times Square as possible and you are looking at least £200 for a lower scale but comfortab,e Hostal.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Oct 14, 2019 16:32:27 GMT
Public Theater
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Post by lucyhoneychurch on Oct 14, 2019 19:42:44 GMT
You'll find lots of diners for pancakes in neighborhoods beyond midtown/Times Square. You might want to venture up to Tom's Diner (Broadway and West 112th St), the outside facade was the diner in Seinfeld.
For some New York history restaurants, check out Joe Allen's (theater hangout) or Pete's Tavern (one of the oldest bars, where O'Henry supposedly wrote "The Gift of the Magi." You'll have many food choices at a variety of price points.
The Staten Island Ferry is free, and gives great views of lower Manhattan and the Statue of Liberty.
You could spend all day at the Met Museum, and the newly-renovated Museum of Modern Art opens in a few weeks. I also highly recommend The New York Public Library (as well as the Performing Arts Library at Lincoln Center) and the Morgan Library (if they are having exhibitions of interest. The Morgan is free on Fridays after 7pm).
You'll find many ticket discounts in September, but just be aware that many struggling shows will close in mid-August or during the first weekend in September (Labor Day).
As mentioned above, New York will still be very hot and humid in September (especially in early September). Pace yourself, but have fun. And, the most "New York" you can be is to complain about the subway!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 7:24:34 GMT
Manhattan you want to stay as close to Times Square as possible and you are looking at least £200 for a lower scale but comfortab,e Hostal. I'd say the complete opposite, don't stay in the Times Square area at all, it's just an unpleasant rip off. Visit Times Square once by all means (and if you go to the theatre you'll pass through it a lot), but otherwise you don't need to be anywhere near there. Pod 51 is my go-to hotel - you can get rooms with private bathrooms, it's only a couple of blocks from river and from a subway station where you can catch the train to JFK or down to Brooklyn, 5 mins walk to Fifth Avenue and a 20 minute walk from any of Central Park, Grand Central, Times Square or the Empire State Building One of the best bagel shops in Manhattan is also just around the corner for breakfast (though a 1 dollar bagel from the coffee cart on the corner isn't bad either). I second eating at Eataly, or any of the places in Chelsea Market. Grab breakfast one morning from a cafe near your hotel and take it to Central Park if the weather is nice. Spend a day (or longer!) getting lost in the Met. Statue of Liberty is worth it, especially for the views back to Manhattan, and don't skip Ellis Island as it is the most interesting part. The 9/11 museum is sobering but necessary and very well done. Of the observatories, the Empire State is my favourite - One World is higher but suffers from being downtown and enclosed, and the Rockefeller is being ruined by all the construction around it. If you're going to do two, do one in the day and one at sunset/night. Make sure to go to Brooklyn and walk the bridge back to Manhattan. Free Tours By Foot do a lot of interesting walking tours where you pay what you think the tour was worth at the end. Their Brooklyn one is good.
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Post by vdcni on Oct 15, 2019 9:09:55 GMT
Agreed, stay away from Times Square as much as possible, think of the most crowded and touristy place in London and multiply that by a million and you get Times Square, it is horrible.
Even crossing through it to get somewhere else is unpleasant, thankfully the worst of it is relatively contained around the intersection between 7th and Broadway so it's avoidable.
Actually Bryant Park, next to the hotel I mentioned, is a nice spot to sit and have a coffee, it's a very well kept park with games, shows and activities.
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Post by 49thand8th on Oct 15, 2019 14:26:39 GMT
Agreed, stay away from Times Square as much as possible, think of the most crowded and touristy place in London and multiply that by a million and you get Times Square, it is horrible. Even crossing through it to get somewhere else is unpleasant, thankfully the worst of it is relatively contained around the intersection between 7th and Broadway so it's avoidable. Actually Bryant Park, next to the hotel I mentioned, is a nice spot to sit and have a coffee, it's a very well kept park with games, shows and activities. I live in Queens and work not far from Times Square. I don't think Times Square as much of a hellhole as others do — just make sure you don't walk THROUGH it between 6:45 and 7 p.m. on a Tuesday-Thursday or 7:45 and 8 p.m. on a Friday or Saturday night. Or at Christmas. Haha. I don't want to discourage anyone from staying in midtown if they can afford it and/or are too intimidated by the subway to use it multiple times on their first trip. That's what I did when I first visited here 12 years ago, and I didn't feel like I was missing anything since I saw what I wanted to see and did most of what I wanted to do. HOWEVER if you do want to save some money, I recommend staying at a hotel in Long Island City within a few blocks from the subway stations at Queens Plaza or Queensboro Plaza. From there you can get to Manhattan in one stop. Just know that LIC is not particularly interesting or fun to look at. And if you're interested in the US Open, then you'd be right on the 7 line, which will take you there. The 7 is also great because it goes along a ton of Asian and Latino neighborhoods and amazing food. A friend wrote this guide a couple years ago: www.vogue.com/article/queens-food-crawl-seven-train
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Post by Phantom of London on Oct 15, 2019 16:13:42 GMT
I agree and admit I do love Times Square as it was so vibrant and buzzing, the theatre being there is just a bonus.
Last time I was there, I stayed in the Watson hotel, which is on 56th, I think. It is between Central Park and Times Square and has a swimming pool, which is nice when you have the ‘barmy breezes.’ Also there is a nice diner nearby that does great waffles and coffee.
Beware though, check you’re not going to get hit for a resort fee, when booking, very much a rip-off.
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Post by 49thand8th on Oct 15, 2019 16:51:29 GMT
The best time to be in Times Square is right before or after a blizzard. It's (relatively) clean, it's peaceful, there may be charming tourist children in snowball fights, and you can take pictures as the lights are aglow with a halo of snow. Just don't do what I did and slip and fall on your knee in front of the long-closed TKTS booth.
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Post by viserys on Oct 15, 2019 17:08:58 GMT
I find the NY Subway very confusing and I've been using it on at least half a dozen trips to NYC. The signage is confusing, there's the "local" and "express" trains, the stations are chaotic and it's an absolute nightmare to navigate with a big bag as there are no escalators, only classic stairs. That said... it's an absolute thrill to realize you actually arrived where you wanted to As for Times Square, I'd say, Leicester Square is on the way there with tourist trap shops like M&M and Lego, only with ten times the crowds and chaos. It just feels too much for me to constantly swerve around clumps of tourists, avoid the annoying "characters" trying to get people to pose with them and so on. That said, there's something nice about sitting on the big red staircase atop the TKTS building after a show and watch the bustle for some time before going to the hotel. Love Bryant Park, though, it's like the only green space in Midtown to sit down in and have a breather. And anyone homesick for London can now find a Pret-A-Manger on practically every corner
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Post by 49thand8th on Oct 15, 2019 17:12:51 GMT
The Times Square station DOES have escalators, as does 74th St/Roosevelt (and others... the major transfer stations usually have escalators) but not for every line, which is our shame. And good luck finding an elevator that doesn't smell like bodily fluids!
Walking past the costumed characters and saying "Nooooo" as they veer toward you is a fun and free hobby.
Pret in the UK is way better than Pret here! Though the cookies are good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 17:18:27 GMT
I find the NY Subway very confusing and I've been using it on at least half a dozen trips to NYC. The signage is confusing, there's the "local" and "express" trains, the stations are chaotic and it's an absolute nightmare to navigate with a big bag as there are no escalators, only classic stairs. That said... it's an absolute thrill to realize you actually arrived where you wanted to As for Times Square, I'd say, Leicester Square is on the way there with tourist trap shops like M&M and Lego, only with ten times the crowds and chaos. It just feels too much for me to constantly swerve around clumps of tourists, avoid the annoying "characters" trying to get people to pose with them and so on. That said, there's something nice about sitting on the big red staircase atop the TKTS building after a show and watch the bustle for some time before going to the hotel. Love Bryant Park, though, it's like the only green space in Midtown to sit down in and have a breather. And anyone homesick for London can now find a Pret-A-Manger on practically every corner 53rd and Lexington (conveniently around the corner from my favourite hotel!) has escalators! Though not fully to street level - not sure if there are lifts but I never travel with luggage I can't carry. I find the subway gets easier with every visit. Bryant Park is great, especially around and after Thanksgiving when the Christmas market is there. I like Washington Square Park as well. Times Square does at least have a bit more charm than Leicester Square due to the steps and the billboards. But once you've done the obligatory night time visit it's much quicker to go a few streets north or south if you need to cross Broadway!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 17:32:32 GMT
The cannolis from Carlo’s Bakery are heavenly, and my favourite go to restaurant pre-show near Broadway is John’s Pizzeria. Always fantastic food and service, plus the cost is very reasonable. I really enjoyed the New York Transit Museum, within an old subway station, and you can walk amongst the carriages that are no longer used. The best observation deck is the top of the Rock, hands down. You get the Empire State Building in the skyline plus it’s open so you avoid the glare from windows that you get at One World, although I’d highly recommend that as a close second.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 17:36:30 GMT
The Jolly Goat is also a great shout if you want good coffee and bagels on the go. I had the pastrami bagel on sesame and it was gorgeous. The seating is limited but if you’re lucky you might grab a seat.
The Moonstruck Diner is in Manhatten and offers pancakes, waffles and French toast. The portions are huge though and you won’t leave feeling hungry!
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Post by viserys on Oct 15, 2019 17:42:21 GMT
53rd and Lexington (conveniently around the corner from my favourite hotel!) has escalators! Though not fully to street level - not sure if there are lifts but I never travel with luggage I can't carry. I find the subway gets easier with every visit. Yea, I once made the mistake to take the subway from JFK into town and found it a complete nightmare with big suitcase. I can't remember a single escalator, even in Times Sq. station, which we used this summer. And I don't mean to put anyone off using the Subway - I LOVE taking subways/tubes/underground trains wherever I am in the world and would always recommend it - just saying that I find it way more confusing than in London.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 17:46:53 GMT
I stayed here a couple of years ago on a New York holiday - www.414hotel.com/ - lovely oasis of calm just round the corner from Times Square. Breakfast & cheese and wine each evening included, and the owner was very helpful with theatre recommendations and finding good deals. Re theatre, my recommendation would be not to book too much in advance of your visit unless there's a hot ticket you're really keen to see. You can find deals on playbill.com and broadwaybox.com and they are ruthless about discounting stuff on TKTS. On which subject the South Street Seaport area is worth a visit and has it's own TKTS booth which opens earlier than the Times Square one and involves much less queueing.
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Post by Snciole on Oct 15, 2019 18:24:36 GMT
I am staying with a friend over 4 July weekend (do let me know your immersive tips; I have only planned on going to a Golden Girls drag show) in an AirBnB in Hells Kitchen/Mid-Manhatten so if hotels are expensive then it might be worth staying in an AirBnB for a couple weeks (my friend is doing a two week holiday)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 19:16:51 GMT
I am staying with a friend over 4 July weekend (do let me know your immersive tips; I have only planned on going to a Golden Girls drag show) in an AirBnB in Hells Kitchen/Mid-Manhatten so if hotels are expensive then it might be worth staying in an AirBnB for a couple weeks (my friend is doing a two week holiday) I'm pretty sure Air BnBs are illegal in Manhattan?
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Post by 49thand8th on Oct 15, 2019 19:19:16 GMT
53rd and Lexington (conveniently around the corner from my favourite hotel!) has escalators! Though not fully to street level - not sure if there are lifts but I never travel with luggage I can't carry. I find the subway gets easier with every visit. Yea, I once made the mistake to take the subway from JFK into town and found it a complete nightmare with big suitcase. I can't remember a single escalator, even in Times Sq. station, which we used this summer. And I don't mean to put anyone off using the Subway - I LOVE taking subways/tubes/underground trains wherever I am in the world and would always recommend it - just saying that I find it way more confusing than in London. I also wouldn't bother with taking the subway from the airport unless you're extremely fit or patient. If a cab/Uber isn't out of your budget, it's worth the splurge.
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Post by 49thand8th on Oct 15, 2019 19:19:33 GMT
I am staying with a friend over 4 July weekend (do let me know your immersive tips; I have only planned on going to a Golden Girls drag show) in an AirBnB in Hells Kitchen/Mid-Manhatten so if hotels are expensive then it might be worth staying in an AirBnB for a couple weeks (my friend is doing a two week holiday) I'm pretty sure Air BnBs are illegal in Manhattan? They are, but that doesn't stop people!
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Post by 49thand8th on Oct 15, 2019 20:03:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 23:17:17 GMT
Yea, I once made the mistake to take the subway from JFK into town and found it a complete nightmare with big suitcase. I can't remember a single escalator, even in Times Sq. station, which we used this summer. And I don't mean to put anyone off using the Subway - I LOVE taking subways/tubes/underground trains wherever I am in the world and would always recommend it - just saying that I find it way more confusing than in London. I also wouldn't bother with taking the subway from the airport unless you're extremely fit or patient. If a cab/Uber isn't out of your budget, it's worth the splurge. Does it not take just as long with the traffic? I've always found the E train or LIRR from JFK fairly efficient, and it saves a ton of money for the rest of the holiday!
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