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Post by theatrelover123 on Oct 4, 2019 16:30:52 GMT
This is going to be a smash...is the world of MT about to be totally invaded by teen shows...look at the shows that are dying in the regions and then stuff like SIX...producers will follow the money...it’s an invasion...it’s like the war of the worlds all over again...lol...Mean Girls,DEH and countless others still to come...wow! Which other ones are on their way please? Can you count/list them?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 16:42:37 GMT
So my presale email didn’t come through until 10.30 however I was able to book online without it?? The collectible in NY was an enamel pin which changed every month I do love a pin when I can get one, but I won’t pay that price. Is this likely to just be exclusive to those in the Squip Zone or also available for purchase separately?
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Post by danb on Oct 4, 2019 17:01:40 GMT
Relented and bought two back row twenty quidders for a Sunday. I like MITB, and I know my son wants to see it but this whole new movement of ‘youth’ theatre makes me very uncomfortable. Even five years ago they would just be ‘new shows’ but now anything remotely zeitgeist-y has to be labelled and gets horribly sucked into this extreme twitter-sphere of obsession. No chill.
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Post by xanady on Oct 4, 2019 17:05:06 GMT
^Nothing confirmed of course,but would imagine most of the following will come over eventually - The Prom,Head Over Heels,An Act Of God,Something Rotten,Lightning Thief,Spongebob,Hadestown,Anastasia and Beetlejuice.All have youth/young adults appeal according to my teen daughter.Not sure about the financial logistics of bringing over King Kong and Spider-Man:Turn Off The Dark? The sad thing is that new UK musicals are not out there,big style...looking forward to Boy In The Dress after listening to Rufus Hound bigging it up on Strictly Takes Two...but where are the rest? As for BMC,just booked it for Feb half-term but tickets are going like hot-cakes! Agree with danb about the obsessive frenzy that the fangirls/boys bring to shows like DEH etc...only ever felt that way about The Beatles...lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 17:12:58 GMT
If (sorry, when) this sells out the run I could them taking it to the Ambassador’s for a nice open ended run, like the original plan for Eugenius.
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Post by xanady on Oct 4, 2019 17:30:52 GMT
^Boring fact of the day-squip is apparently a super computer and stands for super quantum unit intel processor...
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Post by theatrelover123 on Oct 4, 2019 17:59:42 GMT
^Nothing confirmed of course,but would imagine most of the following will come over eventually - The Prom,Head Over Heels,An Act Of God,Something Rotten,Lightning Thief,Spongebob,Hadestown,Anastasia and Beetlejuice.All have youth/young adults appeal according to my teen daughter.Not sure about the financial logistics of bringing over King Kong and Spider-Man:Turn Off The Dark? The sad thing is that new UK musicals are not out there,big style...looking forward to Boy In The Dress after listening to Rufus Hound bigging it up on Strictly Takes Two...but where are the rest? As for BMC,just booked it for Feb half-term but tickets are going like hot-cakes! Agree with danb about the obsessive frenzy that the fangirls/boys bring to shows like DEH etc...only ever felt that way about The Beatles...lol Oh OK. So not teen shows, as you mentioned. So not an invasion of specifically teen shows. Thanks
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Post by xanady on Oct 4, 2019 18:06:25 GMT
^Yes, all shows that will appeal to a certain younger demographic...not fans of shows such as Showboat or Kismet for example..
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Post by danb on Oct 4, 2019 18:19:25 GMT
Brigadoon?
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Post by xanady on Oct 4, 2019 18:24:56 GMT
Yes,agreed,Tom 89,the Ambassadors would make a good fit for this...
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Post by theatrelover123 on Oct 4, 2019 18:26:52 GMT
^Yes, all shows that will appeal to a certain younger demographic...not fans of shows such as Showboat or Kismet for example.. Sure. Shows that have appeal to teens and others. But not teen shows.
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Post by theatrelover123 on Oct 4, 2019 18:31:49 GMT
^There may be the odd 18 or 19 year old cast in the shows mentioned...does that count? lol No, lol
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Post by xanady on Oct 4, 2019 20:34:05 GMT
Selling so well on pre-sale...another Heathers style sell-out...we have booked row M which was fine for legroom and space at Falsettos
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Post by Jon on Oct 4, 2019 20:55:34 GMT
I do think we’re jumping the gun a bit expecting it to transfer, given it died a death on Broadway, the producers may want to wait until the initial run is finished
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Post by stagebyte on Oct 4, 2019 21:22:09 GMT
So my presale email didn’t come through until 10.30 however I was able to book online without it?? The collectible in NY was an enamel pin which changed every month I do love a pin when I can get one, but I won’t pay that price. Is this likely to just be exclusive to those in the Squip Zone or also available for purchase separately? It says exclusive to Squip Zone
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Post by fiyero on Oct 4, 2019 23:00:16 GMT
I get carried away with presales and have booked one of those side seats in row b. Should I find out what the show is about now?
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Post by xanady on Oct 5, 2019 0:13:16 GMT
^Putting the pedantic semantics of an earlier poster aside,I’m really impressed that ALW and his people have their fingers on the pulse in giving youth-driven/teen shows like this a chance to shine.ALW knows where the future and the money lies in MT.Punters who were fans of shows like Oklahoma,Showboat and other golden oldies are literally a dying breed.MT has to re-invent itself and speak to new generations of theatregoers and whilst the new cult of obsessive fandom is alarming in some ways,it is also a comforting reminder of the power of MT as a genre.BK’s teaser advertising for Heathers has cleverly tapped into the new youth-driven social media feeding frenzy for shows such as that. Only Toby and Lucy in the UK seem to have found the Midas touch whilst the Americans seem to be more switched on altogether.Shows like JCS and Evita simply had to be re-imagined or they would face becoming nothing more than museum pieces.Good luck to BMC...hope it’s a smash and hope all the shows I mentioned in an earlier post also cross the pond and are successful.The future is the youth! Amen.
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Post by viserys on Oct 5, 2019 5:46:37 GMT
I respectfully disgree and I'm impressed that while being merely in my 40s, I'm considered a dying breed.
There have always been "teen shows" aimed at a new generation with shows like JCS and Hair being way more groundbreaking in their days than most of today's teen shows. And while I agree that it's good that smaller shows like BMC are being shown here, that's what they are: Smaller Shows that don't reach the mainstream:
- Be More Chill was a massive flop on Broadway because it couldn't reach an audience beyond its core teen market - Heathers never made it TO Broadway and struggled during its limited run at the Haymarket - Mean Girls hasn't exactly set Broadway on fire as well and is struggling - Dear Evan Hansen has been doing very well in NY, but was a flop in Toronto, we'll have to see how it will do in London when the initial hype has died down - Six is a huge hit in a tiny fringe theatre and as much as I love it, I don't see it succeed on Broadway at Broadway prices either.
Many shows manage to appeal to all generations: Hamilton for example uses modern music but the story appeals to adults as much as to young people, same as Six. Jamie centers on a teenage boy but the mother is given enough room for older people to care for them both too. Not that we can't care for teenagers, but there's a difference between Jamie's struggle for acceptance and trying to find his place in the world and all these American shows set in high schools, among teens, dealing with entirely teenage problems that grown ups are glad to have left behind.
The biggest hits on Broadway currently are rather traditional shows aimed at the older "dying breed" audience - Moulin Rouge, which is all spectacle (and jukebox), Come From Away and Hadestown both with fairly mature stories, using rather old fashioned folk music elements. And over here, the very oldie 42nd Street didn't do all that badly recently.
I'm happy for everyone who wants to see the American teen musicals here (and I have booked for BMC myself), but they are a niche rather than the new mainstream and this old dying breed lady here would much rather see a revival of a golden oldie than have yet another show with bland modern pop tunes about a bunch of unlikeable American high schoolers.
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Post by danb on Oct 5, 2019 6:14:52 GMT
^The future is the youth! Amen. No, the future is well constructed shows that do more than just one thing. As the reallllly really old woman above states (x), these shows are self restricting. There really are only so many people that BMC will be of interest to, whereas a classic book musical has normally succeeded because it ticks many boxes and has something to appeal to everyone; be that it’s subject matter, it’s style, it’s ability to make you feel. It’s funny because the last show I can think of that really spanned the two was ‘Legally Blonde’. It looked flashy & vacuous on the surface but had real heart. People could argue that ‘Waitress’ is doing it now but I seriously have no idea how it appeals to a young audience. It is quite old fashioned both musically and thematically.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 7:16:00 GMT
I do think we’re jumping the gun a bit expecting it to transfer, given it died a death on Broadway, the producers may want to wait until the initial run is finished And that’s why I love this board. Posters criticising others for harmless throwaway comments.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 16:53:56 GMT
I respectfully disgree and I'm impressed that while being merely in my 40s, I'm considered a dying breed. There have always been "teen shows" aimed at a new generation with shows like JCS and Hair being way more groundbreaking in their days than most of today's teen shows. And while I agree that it's good that smaller shows like BMC are being shown here, that's what they are: Smaller Shows that don't reach the mainstream: - Be More Chill was a massive flop on Broadway because it couldn't reach an audience beyond its core teen market - Heathers never made it TO Broadway and struggled during its limited run at the Haymarket - Mean Girls hasn't exactly set Broadway on fire as well and is struggling - Dear Evan Hansen has been doing very well in NY, but was a flop in Toronto, we'll have to see how it will do in London when the initial hype has died down - Six is a huge hit in a tiny fringe theatre and as much as I love it, I don't see it succeed on Broadway at Broadway prices either. Many shows manage to appeal to all generations: Hamilton for example uses modern music but the story appeals to adults as much as to young people, same as Six. Jamie centers on a teenage boy but the mother is given enough room for older people to care for them both too. Not that we can't care for teenagers, but there's a difference between Jamie's struggle for acceptance and trying to find his place in the world and all these American shows set in high schools, among teens, dealing with entirely teenage problems that grown ups are glad to have left behind. The biggest hits on Broadway currently are rather traditional shows aimed at the older "dying breed" audience - Moulin Rouge, which is all spectacle (and jukebox), Come From Away and Hadestown both with fairly mature stories, using rather old fashioned folk music elements. And over here, the very oldie 42nd Street didn't do all that badly recently. I'm happy for everyone who wants to see the American teen musicals here (and I have booked for BMC myself), but they are a niche rather than the new mainstream and this old dying breed lady here would much rather see a revival of a golden oldie than have yet another show with bland modern pop tunes about a bunch of unlikeable American high schoolers. Seconded. And though deffo interested in Be More Chill, even if it does sell out TOP (which it hasn't yet), it's small fry re mass appeal. Entire run there probs equivalent to selling out Palladium once lol. So I think we are jumping the gun slightly. Also, and this COULD be being out of touch who knows, but re the MUSIC, I just can't see any of the youth musicals having stand alone songs on the radio in 30/40/50 years. The music just isn't as good. Though the irony is not lost on me that for their fans, perhaps these scores are to them what Evita is to me. (Keep meaning to start a post on whether the importance of music in musicals has waned).
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 6, 2019 17:15:35 GMT
Well, I’ll not be going. It sounds very much not my thing. So my rather pricey advance purchase (money in the producers bank) stalls seat can wait to get discounted so someone can spend their pocket money on it 🙂.
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Post by danb on Oct 6, 2019 17:50:52 GMT
Well, I’ll not be going. It sounds very much not my thing. So my rather pricey advance purchase (money in the producers bank) stalls seat can wait to get discounted so someone can spend their pocket money on it 🙂. Or better still, it can stay unsold and I’ll move down into it from my £19.50 arse end seat. #goingbutdontwantto #kidseh?
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Post by djp on Oct 6, 2019 19:45:26 GMT
^Yes, all shows that will appeal to a certain younger demographic...not fans of shows such as Showboat or Kismet for example.. Sure. Shows that have appeal to teens and others. But not teen shows. They would have to find a new business plan first - the teens are not going to pay £ 97 140 for what was a £ 50 -70 stalls ticket five years ago . You need to get younger audiences in but you won't get much of a show at prices they will like , producers and actors can't afford to subsidize them, and we need a lot better writers here and they need to produce fewer clunkers, fewer looking as if they ran out of money with half a job done , and fewer clones. That said But I'm a cheerleader looked good with a top cast at MTFEST, and Nerds looked like it could be good with some money thrown at it, a top line cast and some big numbers to make it look like it needed a big stage.
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Post by djp on Oct 6, 2019 19:48:40 GMT
I enjoyed it. Will get the Heathers audience in. It's the kind of show that will work in a venue this size of The Other Palace, but struggles in a bigger and more mainstream venue. It can also be produced relatively cheaply. Carrie is in it?
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Post by xanady on Oct 6, 2019 19:52:16 GMT
Really interesting debate on this issue from fellow posters...some fascinating perspectives in response to my original post...thanks all👍 djp raises a very pertinent point about pricing and subsidies.
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Post by danb on Oct 6, 2019 20:24:40 GMT
Lest we forget that the main route into these shows is day seats and Today Tix lotteries for less than thirty quid. Nobody is getting rich from that.
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Post by viserys on Oct 7, 2019 6:21:08 GMT
(Keep meaning to start a post on whether the importance of music in musicals has waned). Please do! I'd be really curious to hear other people's opinions about this, too, as I often wonder whether I'm the only one who misses the days of full orchestras, soaring ballads and smart lyrics.
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Post by xanady on Oct 7, 2019 7:49:47 GMT
^There have been some ‘lyrically challenged’clunkers even in classic golden oldies... who can forget such immortals as Clambake,Farmer and the Cowman,Shuffle Off To Buffalo,Lonely Goatherd,Happy Talk,Bushel And A Peck and many hundreds of others...? Mind you,one of Heathers big tunes is Freeze Your Brain (about consuming flavoured ice drinks)...lol Agree about lush orchestrations...tired of seeing a band of three trying to cover something written for forty or more musicians...
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Post by stagebyte on Oct 7, 2019 17:20:27 GMT
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