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Post by steve10086 on Feb 17, 2021 8:49:01 GMT
Thank “God” for that
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Post by kathryn on Feb 17, 2021 8:54:13 GMT
It boggles the mind that Omooba thought any other result was possible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 8:54:51 GMT
"Author of her own misfortune" is a fair statement. Glad it's concluded fairly and can move forward. Shudder to think how much this has cost the Curve in time and legal expenses though.
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Post by cherokee on Feb 17, 2021 9:01:52 GMT
It boggles the mind that Omooba thought any other result was possible. I actually got a video link and watched the final day of proceedings. I thought she did just have a sliver of a chance of success. As far as I can tell, she only came out and said that playing gay was a non-negotiable red line for her, after she'd been dismissed. (Her agents knew beforehand but the theatre didn't.) And I suppose that in that case, her admission that she would have refused to play the role as directed could have been ruled irrelevant as things didn't actually get that far. In which case, she could have won on the basis that although her views are obnoxious and offensive to many people, they are not illegal and are indeed mainstream in fundamentalist Christianity. So whilst it's true that the Curve and the production would have suffered negative publicity, they still didn't have the right to fire her. She was, after all, fired because she refused to retract or denounce the Facebook post, not because she refused to interpret Celie as gay. (I am relieved it didn't go this way, but I think it's at least conceivable that it could have.)
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Post by cherokee on Feb 17, 2021 9:02:24 GMT
"Author of her own misfortune" is a fair statement. Glad it's concluded fairly and can move forward. Shudder to think how much this has cost the Curve in time and legal expenses though. I wonder if Christian Concern will have to pay the Curve's legal fees.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 17, 2021 9:18:19 GMT
It boggles the mind that Omooba thought any other result was possible. I actually got a video link and watched the final day of proceedings. I thought she did just have a sliver of a chance of success. As far as I can tell, she only came out and said that playing gay was a non-negotiable red line for her, after she'd been dismissed. (Her agents knew beforehand but the theatre didn't.) And I suppose that in that case, her admission that she would have refused to play the role as directed could have been ruled irrelevant as things didn't actually get that far. In which case, she could have won on the basis that although her views are obnoxious and offensive to many people, they are not illegal and are indeed mainstream in fundamentalist Christianity. So whilst it's true that the Curve and the production would have suffered negative publicity, they still didn't have the right to fire her. She was, after all, fired because she refused to retract or denounce the Facebook post, not because she refused to interpret Celie as gay. (I am relieved it didn't go this way, but I think it's at least conceivable that it could have.) The law doesn’t work like that. It’s not the legality of her views at question, it’s whether the Curve were justified in dismissing her as not being suitable for the job. As she would not have been able to perform the role at all, they were entirely justified in firing her. The post and her response to the post being publicised was ample basis for them to draw the conclusion that she wasn’t suitable for the role, the fact that she hadn’t prepared properly for the role showed that her competence was lacking to perform it, the fact she admitted she would have quit the production anyway made it conclusive. What’s remarkable is that she brought the case knowing she would have quit the production anyway. That’s almost as hard to believe as the fact that she didn’t know the nature of the role when she auditioned. If that is true, it’s mind boggling. There’s always the possibility that she is fibbing about some of this stuff though!
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Post by cherokee on Feb 17, 2021 9:23:11 GMT
What’s remarkable is that she brought the case knowing she would have quit the production anyway. That’s almost as hard to believe as the fact that she didn’t know the nature of the role when she auditioned. If that is true, it’s mind boggling. There’s always the possibility that she is fibbing about some of this stuff though! Which would be supremely ironic - and indeed hypocritical - given that it was a legal tribunal - and therefore she presumably swore an oath on the Bible to tell the truth!!
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Post by cherokee on Feb 17, 2021 9:27:47 GMT
What’s remarkable is that she brought the case knowing she would have quit the production anyway. That’s almost as hard to believe as the fact that she didn’t know the nature of the role when she auditioned. I'm inclined to agree with Leicester Curve's statement. I think it's likely that Christian Concern and her father decided to make a fuss in order to stir up some more headlines about Christians being discriminated against and being penalised for their religious views. It's an expensive way to do it, though.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 17, 2021 9:35:12 GMT
What’s remarkable is that she brought the case knowing she would have quit the production anyway. That’s almost as hard to believe as the fact that she didn’t know the nature of the role when she auditioned. If that is true, it’s mind boggling. There’s always the possibility that she is fibbing about some of this stuff though! Which would be supremely ironic - and indeed hypocritical - given that it was a legal tribunal - and therefore she presumably swore an oath on the Bible to tell the truth!! Yes, it would be - but then that’s entirely consistent with her being hypocritical enough to think she could express anti-gay sentiments publicly and play gay characters. Sometimes people really are hypocrites!
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Post by talkingheads on Feb 17, 2021 9:36:21 GMT
Full statement from The Curve:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 10:24:28 GMT
Think we should remember the statement from Curve whilst discussing the conclusion of this: "we do not condone any negativity Seyi Omooba has been subjected to and we respectfully ask anyone in support of this ruling to be kind and respectful in acknowledging this victory for Curve and Celie"
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Post by theatreian on Feb 17, 2021 10:29:48 GMT
Yes a very gracious statement from The Curve. So glad this case had this result.
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Post by hulmeman on Feb 17, 2021 10:51:10 GMT
Had she done her homework, as she should have done, before audition, she would have known the possible interpretation and discussed that with the creative team before auditioning.
I also notice that her father Ade Omoba is a co-founder of Christian Concern, an organisation which backed her tribunal case. Andrea Williams is the group's chief executive, and often pipes up with anti-gay cases.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 17, 2021 11:02:29 GMT
I sincerely hope we shall never hear from this person again.
She has essentially killed her own career in the performing arts and so we need never bother with her again.
As the case progressed, it was clear that each time she and her representative spoke in the tribunal, they lessened their chance of success.
It shows that if you want to win in a complicated area of employment law, you need to engage a lawyer not a dodgy mate of your father.
Today is a day to celebrate.
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Post by duncan on Feb 17, 2021 11:41:38 GMT
Is it normal to accept a part without actually reading the script?
I mean surely actors read the script to make sure they aren't going to be required to do something they are not comfortable with - nudity, being covered in blood at every performance, singing, excessive make-up, working at height etc etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 12:28:50 GMT
Is it normal to accept a part without actually reading the script? Truly dedicated actors perform without reading the script. How can you truly get inside the performance unless you perceive it as the character would perceive it, with no forewarning?
(That's totally the reason why I've only performed on stage exactly once in my life, and nothing at all to do with the fact that I could fail to be the most talented person in a one-person show.)
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Post by kathryn on Feb 17, 2021 12:35:09 GMT
In all seriousness it is true that some actors don’t want to go into rehearsal having done too much script work as they want to discover it as part of their process. But presumably they have some way of researching parts that allows them to still know what it is they are getting into and can audition for their part meaningfully.
Or they accept that not reading it beforehand means that they will be surprised by it and have to be flexible enough psychologically to deal with that.
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Post by kathryn on Feb 17, 2021 12:40:48 GMT
I loved the reason that although she was in a concert version of THE COLOR PURPLE before, she "popped out" during the "intimate" section so didn't realise what was going on.So she wasn't around for any of the rehearsals, dress rehearsals, band calls or performance?! Heh. I have noticed that if judges can decide a case by taking all of the testimony at face value and drawing conclusions from it they will do so, even in cases where one wonders if the testimony is credible. I end up reading far too many judgements directly because of my interest in press regulation - you absolutely cannot trust the press to accurately report on cases where they have lost, so you have to trawl through the judgement to find out what really happened.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Feb 17, 2021 12:45:31 GMT
The best way to move on from this and support Curve is by buying a ticket to watch The Color Purple stream, featuring a full cast who are committed to playing their parts correctly and spreading a positive message. It is also, btw, outstanding. I watched it last night.
I urge everyone to watch and support this show and theatre.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 17, 2021 14:44:54 GMT
There is no witch hunt
This person made those statements. And has not changed their mind or shown any willingness to grow.
Anyone is entitled to hold those opinions but those opinions once openly expressed are not worthy of protection under employment law.
A way out with full pay was offered and declined.
Legal action was started and someone without legal training was appointed their representative in the tribunal.
This person made claims that have been completely rejected.
They are the architect of their own misfortunes and must now reap what they have sown. They have made themselves unemployable in the career for which they trained. That is all down to their own actions.
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Post by anthony40 on Feb 17, 2021 15:14:05 GMT
Hopefully this matter will be closed and all that are involved can move on.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Feb 17, 2021 15:37:07 GMT
Without sounding like a witch hunter, I hope they're not any artists like her out there.
I suspect not in acting but wonder about about other domains in the performing arts
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Post by anthony40 on Feb 17, 2021 15:39:00 GMT
Without sounding like a witch hunter, I hope they're not any artists like her out there. I suspect not in acting but wonder about about other domains in the performing arts " Good fortune witch hunters!"- Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 17, 2021 16:01:29 GMT
Without sounding like a witch hunter, I hope they're not any artists like her out there. I suspect not in acting but wonder about about other domains in the performing arts There are plenty who hold certain religious views but they keep their personal beliefs in the private realm. And there are plenty who choose their projects so not as to put themselves in conflict with their chosen beliefs. They probably fully understand that how they have chosen to live their lives does not offer them any special rights.
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Post by Phantom of London on Feb 17, 2021 17:51:56 GMT
Amen
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