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Post by hal9000 on Aug 24, 2019 9:17:55 GMT
I think QT will retire the way Daniel Day Lewis and Steven Soderbergh retire - they don’t.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 25, 2019 17:59:55 GMT
I have never been a Brad Pitt fan but his shirtless scene will light my darkest nights. I want the name of his dermatologist, plastic surgeon, private chef and personal trainer on speed dial. That’s got to be a deliberate Thelma & Louise reference - can’t think of another reason for it to be in the film.
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Post by ukpuppetboy on Sept 1, 2019 7:47:01 GMT
I am one of those who found this had a ridiculously long setup - even though watching shots of 60s LA kept me mindlessly entertained during those uneventful first 2 hours. However I’ve done some research into the Manson Family and Sharon Tate since watching the film and can’t help feeling I’d have had a completely different experience had I known a bit about those events beforehand. Especially as the film opts for such an alternate reality. Did others on here have a grasp of that history before going into the cinema?
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Post by d'James on Sept 1, 2019 17:18:12 GMT
I am one of those who found this had a ridiculously long setup - even though watching shots of 60s LA kept me mindlessly entertained during those uneventful first 2 hours. However I’ve done some research into the Manson Family and Sharon Tate since watching the film and can’t help feeling I’d have had a completely different experience had I known a bit about those events beforehand. Especially as the film opts for such an alternate reality. Did others on here have a grasp of that history before going into the cinema? I had a basic knowledge from when I used to work nights and spent hours on Wikipedia. It did help create tension when otherwise I might not have felt any.
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Post by learfan on Sept 1, 2019 20:40:19 GMT
I am one of those who found this had a ridiculously long setup - even though watching shots of 60s LA kept me mindlessly entertained during those uneventful first 2 hours. However I’ve done some research into the Manson Family and Sharon Tate since watching the film and can’t help feeling I’d have had a completely different experience had I known a bit about those events beforehand. Especially as the film opts for such an alternate reality. Did others on here have a grasp of that history before going into the cinema? Yes, already knew guite a bit about Manson and Tate. Still loved this..
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Post by peelee on Sept 6, 2019 17:44:57 GMT
In the foreground two interesting characters, TV actor and his body-double, played by Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt. While in the background but also crossing their paths at various points are fellow seekers after Hollywood work, some 'names' and the flotsam and jetsam of late 1960s Los Angeles in a time of Love, Peace and War. The Paris Peace Talks have just begun, years into the war on Vietnam, yet there is still the shadow of the draft on the lives of young men, and a gun culture on screen and on the streets far from that war in South East Asia. There are hippies and drifters, the peaceful and the anti-war but also some other more malign, ingrown types who look outwards mainly to resent what they see.
The way that writer and director Quentin Tarantino, who was six years old in 1969, from childhood must have soaked up Los Angeles, later researched it, learned from within about the film industry around Hollywood and nearby towns, and the LA music scene, are all evident here. He must have realised the tragedy and comedy, the needs to work and create, of the many sensitive souls with their idealism alongside other, larger-than-life, egotists and show-offs. All about him were what we'd call 'chancers'.
This is the best film I've seen in quite a while. The quality of the writing and acting, the care that's been taken to film and then edit scenes that are long or fleeting, justify the two hours and 45 minutes or so of what has ended up on screen for public showing. Throughout, it feels like the very period and place it is supposed to be, and then Tarantino tells the story of what happens to the various characters and does so how 'Hollywood' of the time would have done. So it's about characters, in storylines and subplots that are fascinating, but also about the wider industry and the city in the country where all this is happening.
You can follow the film, although some viewing it will by dint of memory or knowledge appreciate more than some others. Rather like I had to find a book about Edison and Westinghouse after I'd watched The Current War recently, there will be people the gaps in whose knowledge, and with some curiosity stirred, are enough for them to at least 'google' a few names or read a book or two, a process that down the years has enriched the lives of film-goers and theatre-goers. There's also a wonderful soundtrack!
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Post by ukpuppetboy on Sept 7, 2019 0:44:23 GMT
Really? I thought the music was the least significant feature of the movie (except for the finale). Unusual in a Tarantino flick.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 6:06:19 GMT
It most likely going to win the OSCAR for best picture. I loved the music. I also loved all the acting. The ending was satisfying. I loved direction , screenplay etc
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Post by Nicholas on Oct 11, 2019 9:44:11 GMT
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood sets its stock out in its title. It could either be a mythologizing statement a la Sergio Leone, or a light-hearted fairytale. In some ways, it’s successfully both. It’s a fascinating mythologizing of that era of Hollywood, which then segues into an alternative history which, oddly enough, in how it firstly frames then validates Sharon Tate, feels warm hearted. Most of its (overlong) three-hour run time cast a woozy spell over me – its use of music and cinema hypnotic – but then when Tarantino needed to say something about why this era of Hollywood matters, I feel he’s left us with a statement that might be the defining love letter and historical document of this moment. It’s not just a fairytale, but specifically a bedtime story – a dream, meant to inspire dreams.
Firstly – Brad Pitt is SO GOOD in this movie. He’s always great, but here, largely with mere physicality, he portrays a has-been, a once-great titan, a physical threat, an unknowable menace, a man’s man, a man not to be trusted. There are scenes that, I think, Tarantino wanted to be funny – Bruce Lee, Pitt’s wife – but Pitt made scary. The way Pitt portrayed menace in masculinity denied those moments any humour. When he had to be likeable, though – it’s Brad Pitt! The rest of the cast are good, but it’s Pitt’s movie, and maybe Pitt’s best movie.
Nonetheless there are demonstrable flaws – or mebbe iffy moments – in the movie. It’s too long. It’s waaaaaaaaaay too long. The Dicaprio plot’s less interesting than Tarantino thinks it is. With threw shrew wives, two of whom have murders attempted against them, I’m not sure I’d be happy to have just married Tarantino, and I think Tarantino is not a feminist. The Bruce Lee scene is a mess. Whilst most of the mud thrown at the wall sticks, some doesn’t.
Where this worked for me where, say, Basterds and Django didn’t, is the framing of the villains. I have a sneaking suspicion that Tarantino secretly admires style over substance, and that does characters like Waltz’s smooth-talker (who happens to be a Nazi) and Dicaprio’s exuberant ham (who happens to be a slaver) a LOT of good. Cinema loves villains, and the style of the Reservoir Dogs is fine and dandy for cinema – but applying that cool to Hans Landa, the most stylish, the most quotable, the most intelligent character in a largely forgettable movie, is iffy. In one scene, he’s put against Pitt’s nominal hero, and his use of language and peacockery is something framed as cooooool. Here, though, Tarantino’s idea of cool may still hinge on violence and masculinity, but in every way, it harks back to Reservoir Dogs – that movie cool is different to real world cool, movie violence different to real world violence, and understanding the difference makes both worlds richer. Rick Dalton isn’t a stylish man, he’s a stylish TV hero (in fact, in the real world, he becomes less stylish as the movie goes on, only heroic at the end when recreating the movies). Where I think Tarantino’s been a wee bit undisciplined with styling history before, here he’s almost moral.
The last act, then, should go in the dictionary for ‘sticks the landing’. My entire cinema held its breath when “Out Of Time” came on – knowing the scene to come, knowing the ways it could go – and when Brad Pitt happened, firstly ridiculousness then judicious, the triumph in Tarantino’s success was palpable. Hollywood serves as the last statement on these characters being losers. It’s almost beautiful in how it shows just how pathetic this kind of violence ultimately is (admittedly, by showing another kind of violence (Hollywood violence) is better?). Whilst I think the extremity of the violence is a bit Old Testament (Tarantino doesn’t care about brainwashing by Manson, for example), I think the reasoning behind is to honestly display the cruddy cult cruelty of not just Manson but every such cult before or since as the empty, unnecessary, ugly evil it is. It is brilliant not in terms of how it rewrites history, but in terms of how it frames the reality. There’s surprisingly deep consideration for the victims; this not just gives them their moment in the sun, but now gives their perpetrators a permanent record of their worthlessness. No line will EVER crack the Manson myth better than “I am the devil” – “No, it was dumber than that”.
The more I think about it, the more I like this film, and find myself siding with it – and I use that terminology deliberately. I think Tarantino takes this horrific moment in pop culture, and posits not just a perfect alternative history, but a perfect framing of the ugly reality. Overall there’s no doubt that bits of it are iffy – but its ‘fairytale ending’, its odd sentimentality, its weirdly good heart, all add up to a film that absolutely cast its spell on me. It’s the most charming movie with that much ultraviolence. Four stars, because it’s too long, but brilliant other than that: challenging, controversial, and strangely considerate too. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a film this in love with being a film.
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Post by Mr Snow on Oct 11, 2019 10:35:29 GMT
All three of us thought it dragged terribly. It wasn't a funny 'comedy' and the drama is so unfocused as to leave you wondering just what it was we'd just seen. And using a historical point of reference as a the MacGuffin, and then changing what actually happened, just drew attention to how horribly empty it felt.
Pitt was watchable, DiCaprio painful.
To each their own.
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