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Post by missthelma on Aug 7, 2019 12:56:04 GMT
I was going to resurrect the 'unpopular opinions' thread for this but then wasn't sure if my thoughts were that out of step with everybody else?
I saw an ad for this on my way to the Donmar the other night proudly proclaiming it as his 9th film and I realised that having sat through the previous 8 I can only think of one I quite liked, Jackie Brown. I hated Reservoir Dogs, Hateful 8 and Django Unchained, thought Pulp Fiction was incredibly over rated and a bit 'Emperors New Clothes'. I've seen all of Inglorious Basterds but not all in one sitting as I found it intolerable and almost painful to watch. The two Kill Bills were okay I suppose.
Now I appreciate I'm not the target audience for his movies, which seems in my opinion to be very American, white, male, 30's, and a very specific type of those 4 factors that turns up in mostly other American shows/movies! I'm trying to think of an archetype but will have to come back to that. I guess he kind of represents the type come to think of it. Too self consciously clever and reeking of privelege but under the impression he understands oppressed people(s)
The trailer which I saw yesterday actually makes it look quite entertaining but also made me think that Brad Pitt hasn't been in an enjoyable movie for about 10 years and I still haven't forgiven Leo DiCaprio for the torture that was The Revenant. So apart from Margot Robie am not sure this is going to pull me in!
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Aug 7, 2019 13:25:31 GMT
I was going to resurrect the 'unpopular opinions' thread for this but then wasn't sure if my thoughts were that out of step with everybody else?
I saw an ad for this on my way to the Donmar the other night proudly proclaiming it as his 9th film and I realised that having sat through the previous 8 I can only think of one I quite liked, Jackie Brown. I hated Reservoir Dogs, Hateful 8 and Django Unchained, thought Pulp Fiction was incredibly over rated and a bit 'Emperors New Clothes'. I've seen all of Inglorious Basterds but not all in one sitting as I found it intolerable and almost painful to watch. The two Kill Bills were okay I suppose.
Now I appreciate I'm not the target audience for his movies, which seems in my opinion to be very American, white, male, 30's, and a very specific type of those 4 factors that turns up in mostly other American shows/movies! I'm trying to think of an archetype but will have to come back to that. I guess he kind of represents the type come to think of it. Too self consciously clever and reeking of privelege but under the impression he understands oppressed people(s)
The trailer which I saw yesterday actually makes it look quite entertaining but also made me think that Brad Pitt hasn't been in an enjoyable movie for about 10 years and I still haven't forgiven Leo DiCaprio for the torture that was The Revenant. So apart from Margot Robie am not sure this is going to pull me in!
I think I've seen a fair few comparisons of this film to Jackie Brown in tone/style so maybe this will be the one to win you over. |
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Post by Backdrifter on Aug 7, 2019 15:36:18 GMT
I'm considering seeing it but dear oh lord if it's in any way remotely like Jackie Brown I'll regret it. I found JB a dreary, tedious load of overpraised snoozery. And all the fuss about how cool and underplayed Pam Grier was. To me she was just a plank with minimal talent. I found her cringe-inducing. But I'm aware I'm in a minority on this, most people who've seen it bafflingly seem to think it, and she, were great. The only thing I got from it was ogling Bridget Fonda.
I liked Dogs a lot, at the time I found it really interesting that while many criticised its violence and its transfer to video was famously long-delayed here, the violence was in fact minimal compared to a lot of stuff on release at the time that drew no such comment, and it managed to make you really feel the violence, which it seemed to me films had forgotten how to do. I remember seeing Die Hard 2 in which hundreds of people were casually despatched yet it attracted no hand-wringing and delayed video release. As difficult a watch as RDs was at times, I thought well done him as film violence should make you wince.
I liked Pulp Fiction but find it hard to watch now, it's too of its time. The Kill Bills are okay, they look lovely. I think the only other one of his I've seen apart from the borefest of Jackie Brown is Inglorious which I do find quite watchable. The run times of his films is very offputting. Kermode said the whole opening 45 minutes of The Hateful Eight was completely unnecessary. The new one is another near-3-hours job but I'll give it a go.
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Post by daisy24601 on Aug 7, 2019 22:21:17 GMT
I loved Django Unchained! I enjoyed Inglorious Basterds and Jackie Brown. Pulp Fiction, not so much.
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Post by showgirl on Aug 8, 2019 4:49:23 GMT
The only one I've seen is Jackie Brown and though I wouldn't go as far as Backdrifter, I think even at the time it was hard to be objective about the film due to the hype and now I barely recall a thing about it. All Tarantino's subsequent films have sounded repellent due to the themes and violence, but as missthelma says, the trailer for Once Upon A Time In Hollywood (which I have already seen FAR too many times - what happened to producing more than one trailer?) does make it look quite appealing so I've booked for an early evening performance in the hope of staying awake. From veiled critical references to the ending, I suspect there is something unpleasant in store as usual but I will see how it goes. |
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Post by Backdrifter on Aug 8, 2019 8:32:33 GMT
Early in his career he responded to criticism of the violence by saying he happened to have made two fairly violent films, but might well go on to make a zany screwball comedy.
25 years on we're still waiting for that or a romcom or a costume drama.
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Post by Marwood on Aug 14, 2019 21:48:34 GMT
It was far too long, and not one to go and see if you’re going to be offended by Tarantino taking liberties with history (to ahem, say the least 😝) or prefer genteel middle class films of old ladies sipping tea on the veranda and remembering their youth but I thought this was excellent, the last 15 minutes or so were awesome (although don’t take your grandparents unless they’re fond of the old ultraviolence) Both DiCaprio and Pitt were great in this, Pitt in particular seeming the most animated in a film since Fight Club.
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Post by meister on Aug 15, 2019 5:06:26 GMT
It was far too long, and not one to go and see if you’re going to be offended by Tarantino taking liberties with history (to ahem, say the least 😝) or prefer genteel middle class films of old ladies sipping tea on the veranda and remembering their youth but I thought this was excellent, the last 15 minutes or so were awesome (although don’t take your grandparents unless they’re fond of the old ultraviolence) Both DiCaprio and Pitt were great in this, Pitt in particular seeming the most animated in a film since Fight Club. How ultraviolent is it? |
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Post by elizapot on Aug 15, 2019 11:53:59 GMT
It was far too long, and not one to go and see if you’re going to be offended by Tarantino taking liberties with history (to ahem, say the least 😝) or prefer genteel middle class films of old ladies sipping tea on the veranda and remembering their youth but I thought this was excellent, the last 15 minutes or so were awesome (although don’t take your grandparents unless they’re fond of the old ultraviolence) Both DiCaprio and Pitt were great in this, Pitt in particular seeming the most animated in a film since Fight Club. How ultraviolent is it? It only really has one scene of Tarantino-style violence, the rest of the film is actually surprisingly chilled out, but that scene is quite graphic even if the violence is somewhat mitigated by humor. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 14:34:50 GMT
So it's ultraviolent-lite, then.
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Post by mallardo on Aug 15, 2019 14:49:49 GMT
It's a great movie - do not miss it. As to the "liberties" taken with history, they're what makes it work. It's called Once Upon a Time in Hollywood for a reason.
PS: Of special interest to this board, Sam Wanamaker is a (briefly seen) character in it. |
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Post by greeny11 on Aug 15, 2019 19:06:32 GMT
I was left rather underwhelmed by this - I thought Leo and Brad were great, but I did leave with a feeling of 'Is that it?'. Also, at 2 hours 40 minutes, it is far too long.
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Post by Marwood on Aug 15, 2019 21:14:55 GMT
So it's ultraviolent-lite, then. The last twenty minutes, the ultraviolence goes off the scale, so it’s anything but ‘lite’. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 16:29:30 GMT
It's a great movie - do not miss it. As to the "liberties" taken with history, they're what makes it work. It's called Once Upon a Time in Hollywood for a reason.
PS: Of special interest to this board, Sam Wanamaker is a (briefly seen) character in it. The TV show Wanamaker is directing is a real show, which Wanamaker did direct! Many of the details are different but one of the scenes being filmed is based on this one - |
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Post by Jon on Aug 18, 2019 20:36:07 GMT
Does anyone think Tarantino will retire after his tenth film? The cynical side of me thinks he’ll take a hiatus but then return after maybe 5 years to direct a new film
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Post by learfan on Aug 19, 2019 16:54:47 GMT
It was far too long, and not one to go and see if you’re going to be offended by Tarantino taking liberties with history (to ahem, say the least 😝) or prefer genteel middle class films of old ladies sipping tea on the veranda and remembering their youth but I thought this was excellent, the last 15 minutes or so were awesome (although don’t take your grandparents unless they’re fond of the old ultraviolence) Both DiCaprio and Pitt were great in this, Pitt in particular seeming the most animated in a film since Fight Club. How ultraviolent is it? Its an 18 certificate which these days is hard to get. |
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Post by learfan on Aug 19, 2019 16:58:36 GMT
Saw it today. Really liked it. A bit long but Tarantino really loves that era doesnt he? Last scenes are bonkers but who wouldnt want to deal that out to that "family" Pacino good. Pitt and, DiCaprio are both awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2019 17:51:24 GMT
Caught this this afternoon and unfortunately it’s a massive shrug from me. What was the point? The first 2 and a half hours NOTHING happens and then THAT last ten mins. It felt as if Tarantino got high and came up with the last ten mins and then desperately dragged out a film from it. Great acting from everyone involved but it felt all their efforts were wasted on a non film
And the violence? Don’t worry it’s Tom and Jerry stuff made to make you laugh rather than offend
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Post by NeilVHughes on Aug 19, 2019 18:48:42 GMT
Adored the pace as it drew you into the period details and felt it caught my perception of the era perfectly. Having coincidently rewatched the Doors film and the Woodstock documentary this week there is something epochial about the end of the 60’s.
Found it more funny than violent, the liberties taken with the truth were fine with me and the scene with the precocious young ‘actor’ was priceless.
Now where do I get a Champion Spark Plug T-Shirt, the balls to wear Double White Denim and the opportunities to channel my inner bad Hamlet.
A rare film that I will definitely buy and tempted to go see again.
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Post by kathryn on Aug 19, 2019 18:59:06 GMT
I wasn’t mad keen on this - it was just far too slow for me, I was looking at my watch at the 2-hour mark. I also felt that the Sharon Tate storyline needed to be integrated better with the Rick and Cliff storyline - if you didn’t already know the history you’d have no idea why the film spends time with Sharon Tate at all.
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Post by Backdrifter on Aug 19, 2019 19:11:55 GMT
I'm planning to see it Friday. I really fancy Margot Robbie.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Aug 19, 2019 19:22:16 GMT
The Sharon Tate backstory I took as a sort of Pinteresque scenario, the randomness of events and how historical moments are defined after the events, the knocking on a door can have significance way larger than their intent.
This is another case where knowing the backstory is intrinsic to the film similar to the discussion in the Evita thread, is the film a failure as this is not made clear or has Tarantino an expectation that we know our Hollywood history.
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Post by d'James on Aug 22, 2019 22:54:18 GMT
I loved it.
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Post by hal9000 on Aug 23, 2019 10:39:41 GMT
I have never been a Brad Pitt fan but his shirtless scene will light my darkest nights. I want the name of his dermatologist, plastic surgeon, private chef and personal trainer on speed dial.  |
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Post by d'James on Aug 23, 2019 12:15:44 GMT
I have never been a Brad Pitt fan but his shirtless scene will light my darkness nights. I want the name of his dermatologist, plastic surgeon, private chef and personal trainer on speed dial. I rather liked the wetsuit too! |
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