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Post by d'James on Jul 28, 2019 13:53:23 GMT
I’m not talking about things going wrong in the Theatre. It’s out of there control. For example at Hamilton on Thursday we had to leave the Theatre to go down the road for the toilet. That’s not bad behaviour, they were doing their best.
However, at said same show I bought a drink for the second act and when the show finished I took my plastic cup with me (like a good boy). Could I find a bin? Nope. We got ushered (see next para) out of the side door onto a buildng site and there were no bins or ushers holding bags like I'm used to. I walked round to the main entrance and handed the cup to a member of staff.
Now, the ushers. Wow do they love the sound of their own voices in that Theatre. I’ve never seen/heard anything like it. Just shut up already. It’s meant to be a pleasurable experience going to the Theatre. I don’t want to hear you shouting where the toilets are. Wait until somebody asks. Also, when a tannoy announcement has just been made, you don’t need to repeat it at the top of your voice.
Compare this to the absolutely perfect staff at Jamie on Tuesday. Theatre is about the whole experience and I’m afraid some of the staff spoiled that for me at the Victoria Palace Theatre.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 17:25:55 GMT
Now, the ushers. Wow do they love the sound of their own voices in that Theatre. I’ve never seen/heard anything like it. At least they were actually doing their jobs! At the Palladium last Sunday only one usher was actually bothering to do anything!
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Post by d'James on Jul 28, 2019 21:52:28 GMT
Now, the ushers. Wow do they love the sound of their own voices in that Theatre. I’ve never seen/heard anything like it. At least they were actually doing their jobs! At the Palladium last Sunday only one usher was actually bothering to do anything! Hmmm. I wonder if there’s a happy medium.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 22:06:46 GMT
I feel like the Phoenix’s FOH team should set the standard. Everyone there is super lovely and accommodating. I can’t say the same about many other major West End venues.
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Post by sf on Jul 29, 2019 8:50:08 GMT
The Old Vic last month. I do not appreciate being shouted at as if I was a naughty schoolboy for taking a photograph, which I hadn't. That usher was enjoying telling people off a little bit too much; I complained in writing, and the theatre apologised and made a conciliatory gesture in response, but it shouldn't have happened in the first place.
The prize for this year, though, goes to the dipstick at the Opera House in Manchester who decided the middle of the overture in The King And I was a good time to roll up the very noisy shutters on the concession stand at the back of the stalls and then roll them back down again. That person has no respect for either performers or the audience, and has no business working in a theatre. It's also - same person, too - the only time I've ever turned around during a performance and told a member of a theatre's staff to stop talking (I was sitting in the back row of the stalls). Or at least it was, until I saw Book of Mormon at the Palace.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 29, 2019 10:29:56 GMT
On my first and only visit to the Young Vic I found the woman on the box office to be dismissive and the FOH who I asked for help finding my seat (because she hadn’t directed me properly in the first place) actually TUTTED at me.
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Post by Stephen on Jul 29, 2019 11:33:30 GMT
If you all knew the half of how the very general public treat us working in theatres.
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Post by d'James on Jul 29, 2019 11:57:09 GMT
If you all knew the half of how the very general public treat us working in theatres. Hmmm. Not sure that’s an excuse. Just because us mere mortals haven’t done it in a theatre, a lot of us have customer service experience. Anyway . . . A previous post reminded me of the rude/patronising woman at the box office of the Apollo Victoria.
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Post by Jon on Jul 29, 2019 12:01:14 GMT
If you all knew the half of how the very general public treat us working in theatres. The story about ushers now wearing body cams is proof of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 12:11:04 GMT
If you all knew the half of how the very general public treat us working in theatres. Two wrongs don't make a right...and a lot of us are speaking from customer service work experience even if it isn't in a theatre! I'd have been disciplined for not doing my job properly, so I don't really see any issue with calling out ushers (or anyone for that matter) for not doing theirs...
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Post by Jon on Jul 29, 2019 12:18:49 GMT
If you all knew the half of how the very general public treat us working in theatres. Two wrongs don't make a right...and a lot of us are speaking from customer service work experience even if it isn't in a theatre! I'd have been disciplined for not doing my job properly, so I don't really see any issue with calling out ushers (or anyone for that matter) for not doing theirs... I get rudeness or not doing a job properly but complaining that someone was being loud isn’t bad behaviour and the lack of bins could be for security reasons given Hamilton is a high profile show.
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Post by sf on Jul 29, 2019 12:24:55 GMT
If you all knew the half of how the very general public treat us working in theatres.
I know more than half of it. I was a house manager myself for several years, which means I also know there's no excuse for the two things I described further up this thread.
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Post by Stephen on Jul 29, 2019 12:38:42 GMT
I can understand some frustration at issues above. Don’t get me wrong similar and worse has happened to me. I just try not to let it affect my experience and always see the other side. The example of an usher not knowing seat numbers and then being arrogant is just one not very nice person. I still don’t think it’s a very positive way to live just dwelling on these things though. The dipstick was probably just doing what they were told.
Two wrongs don’t make a right but neither do really negative threads targeting the people who make it possible for you to attend all of those plays and musicals we love to moan about.
Audiences, especially in the West End, have never been more rude and entitled. I see it every time I see a show now. I’m not an usher but I have been before and it’s tricky stuff at times. Not the job...the people.
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Post by lynette on Jul 29, 2019 12:47:21 GMT
Fine line, Steve. But people in the industry might read this and put things right and we do sometimes need a place to vent, don't we? However, please folks, as Steve suggests, remember that the FOH are probably hot, fed up, just lost an audition and have to explain to Mother why they didn’t do maths at A level. Vent nicely.
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Post by latefortheoverture on Jul 29, 2019 12:52:02 GMT
Also agree some of the Victoria Palace staff are horrible! First time I saw the show my mother walked to the doors after the show- before turning back around to find me, bear in mind she hadn't been outside. A security guard quickly got her hand and pulled her out the door, as she screamed into the foyer 'no re-admisson'! Never have came across anything like it in a theatre. My mother was then shouted at by the security guard and her other colleague- again who were taking their job a bit too seriously. The FOH manager came out after I went to get her and diffused the situation. She was lovely, and sat me and my mother down back in the theatre. Obviously my mother was shaken up. The manager asked if we wanted anything; a drink or a taxi, but Mother just wanted to calm down. She was so nice, and made sure we sent an email complaining to the security firm who had been brought in.
The guard in question would've been better suited to a football match. Not a (for the most part) calm and obeying matinee audience.
On my return visit, the same security guard was patrolling the queue shouting each and every time she went past us, making sure we had our documents out and ready. Someone else told her that we heard her the first time before I did! The FOH manager recognised me on my way in- which was lovely, we spoke briefly and she gave us some drinks vouchers! An amazing lady, who really knows how to treat and respect her patrons.
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Post by latefortheoverture on Jul 29, 2019 12:52:54 GMT
Found the FOH in the Shaftesbury couldn't stop talking!
Have to agree the staff in the Phoenix are great- so lovely, and very welcoming!
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Post by kimbahorel on Jul 29, 2019 15:28:03 GMT
This is not a reply to anyone just a general post.
FOH staff who chat during shows. That is the closest it gets to me as being unprofessional. Or the one time I remeber at Haymarket the usher who was rolling around under one of the back seats. Unless they are plain rude like no please no thank you.
I assume that every usher no matter what has to tell you where to go or your seat (not always but some times). Great if you know where to go I just say thank you no one needs to hear someone scream at them "I know what I am doing" which I heard once. I assume all ushers probably come across maybe patronising if they encounter a million tourists who have no idea what to do or go or whatever.
Raising their voice is another thing. Its an issue I have where I work. If no one listen to you when you say something then you have no choice. I work in a shop and often have to queue organize because my company does not like signs to tell people things we have to. So regually I am saying "can everyone please move the queue to this side so that customers can leave and enter thank you." Usually they end up blocking the door. And after saying it once and no one moves. I say it louder. Theatres are small places and when I was at Queens (RIP) seeing Les Mis often I would hear the usher try and get people to move around for the queue because it blocks a lot of the exits. And everyone muttering to people in the queue about how no one said where to queue or getting annoyed. People only tend to raise their voice because no one listens.
I only relate to FOH because I work in a shop and you get the same sort of people. Customers at any capacity think they are right all of the time and then get annoyed when they can't get their own way. Then I don't have to deal with drunk people so that is a whole different ball game.
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Post by d'James on Jul 29, 2019 16:35:21 GMT
Two wrongs don't make a right...and a lot of us are speaking from customer service work experience even if it isn't in a theatre! I'd have been disciplined for not doing my job properly, so I don't really see any issue with calling out ushers (or anyone for that matter) for not doing theirs... I get rudeness or not doing a job properly but complaining that someone was being loud isn’t bad behaviour and the lack of bins could be for security reasons given Hamilton is a high profile show. I think you’re stretching things a bit there. If they don’t have bins, they should have another system in place.
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Post by bobbybaby on Jul 29, 2019 18:05:28 GMT
In general, I find FOH are brilliant, efficient and it is because of it that you notice the bad ones as they stand out a mile. I’d agree with you there TM. The good far outweighs the bad. Recently I’ve had nothing but excellent service at Savoy, Adelphi, Drury Lane , Queens and Gielgud in particular. The Phoenix staff all seem to be having a ball. And I have to say the barman at The Garrick who pours my drink as soon as he sees me enter the bar makes me feel like a guest of honour/alcoholic. Hurrah !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 21:10:11 GMT
complaining that someone was being loud isn’t bad behaviour Yes it is when they are being loud during a show!!! Most FOH are lovely (shout out to the really friendly bar staff in the Royal Circle at the Phoenix, and the piano player!), but that doesn't excuse the ones who aren't doing their jobs properly.
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Post by xanady on Jul 29, 2019 21:21:29 GMT
^The lady who was pulled out of the theatre by her arm/hand?That is assault in law and should be a police matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 5:52:03 GMT
My noticeably worst FOH was Palace MCR. Most of them were quite rude and snippy with us, with the exception of one person in the box office and one person in the bars.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 8:53:15 GMT
Absolutely atrocious behavior from the Apollo theatre, London for continuing to host Thriller the "Musical".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 10:26:15 GMT
^Now that really is unfair @remark , considering "Thriller" is playing at the Lyric next door. Haha that's the one I meant. I couldn't remember which and took a punt! Call myself a fan of theatre and I don't even know what's on at the Lyric!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 11:15:27 GMT
^Now that really is unfair @remark , considering "Thriller" is playing at the Lyric next door. Think of it like a firebreak: attack the surroundings to cut it off from escaping, then close in and eliminate the threat.
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