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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 7, 2019 14:52:31 GMT
Dropped this weekend. Ten episodes depicting the last three books Michael Tolliver Lives, Mary Ann in Autumn and The Day’s Of Anna Madrigal. That means there’s a dirty great big gap with the middle three books never having been televised. Anyway, looks like a weekend binge. Expectations are high! Love the artwork
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Post by alece10 on Jun 7, 2019 17:13:11 GMT
Looks like I am going to have to renew my membership.
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Post by karloscar on Jun 7, 2019 21:35:07 GMT
They don't follow the last three books at all. There are some similarities, and some of the new characters Maupin created, but these are original stories, variations on a theme.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 23:36:30 GMT
I've watched Episode 1, but i'm confused by the timeline. When is this set? The original was set in 78, if they have been away 20 years, that would be 1998, but its alot more modern day than that....
Olympia Dukakis can still deliver a great line and Laura Linney has barely changed at all and i'm so glad they're back for this series. Murray Bartlett is hot. The new characters i'm still warming up to. They're definitely tried very hard to put every gender/sexual identification into the first hour. Maybe tried a little too hard??
I'm looking forward to watching it all over the coming days.
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Post by wickedgrin on Jun 8, 2019 7:57:18 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 8, 2019 20:17:03 GMT
They don't follow the last three books at all. There are some similarities, and some of the new characters Maupin created, but these are original stories, variations on a theme. I’m half way through and yes, you’re right. Which is fine but there are some huge inconsistencies such as the twins and DeDe? (love DeDe though 🥂) I mean, mess up the storyline fine but the actual family relationships between folk? Having said that I’m loving it, I was worried after e01 but I’m totally engaged now. Laura Linney pulls it all together. That dinner party scene in e04 was awkward.
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Post by richey on Jun 8, 2019 20:21:57 GMT
Really want to start watching these but I've only just started reading the books (I know, bad gay) I'm afraid if i watch now it'll spoil the rest of the novels for me
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Post by karloscar on Jun 8, 2019 20:22:08 GMT
In the books Shawna knew all about her mother Connie from a very young age, but I suppose they had to conjure up some conflict for Mary Ann's return.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 8, 2019 22:10:05 GMT
Really want to start watching these but I've only just started reading the books (I know, bad gay) I'm afraid if i watch now it'll spoil the rest of the novels for me Read the first three books. That’s all you need to understand the relationships.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 9, 2019 12:51:30 GMT
Ok, so this goes quite badly off the rails over the last third. There’s an interesting episode set in the 60’s which opens up Mrs M’s backstory but apart from that it all gets a bit silly. Then there’s an incredibly longwinded and slow finale.
If the point of this exercise is to launch future series which features the young characters then there’s a problem, because the younger characters really aren’t that interesting. The only thing that’s interesting about them seems to their relationships with the original characters. Other than that they’re just a bit one dimensional, and whilst I’m all for representing minorities on tv, if the only interesting thing about the character is the fact that they’re LGBTQ then it all gets a bit tokeny. The relationship between Jake and his family had potential that was completely thrown away early on in favour of a madcap mystery plot line.
Having said that, who would want to be in charge of pulling TOTC out of the bag after everyone is so invested in those beloved books?. I seem to recall hating the original tv series when that came out but now when I think of the characters, those are the faces I see. Impossible task, at least they had a go at it.
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Post by richey on Jun 9, 2019 15:52:26 GMT
Really want to start watching these but I've only just started reading the books (I know, bad gay) I'm afraid if i watch now it'll spoil the rest of the novels for me Read the first three books. That’s all you need to understand the relationships. Excellent. Just finished the third!
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Post by richey on Jun 11, 2019 6:49:00 GMT
Well I gave the first episode a go last night and was massively disappointed. The younger characters ruined it for me, especially the twins. Don't think I'll be watching any more
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Post by missthelma on Jun 11, 2019 10:32:25 GMT
I will watch this eventually, mostly for Linney and Dukakis but those last three books in the series really tarnished the legacy of the original six. Maupin wrote The Night Listener after 'completing' the series which was very good but seems to have been unable to write other fiction so returned to the TOTC series. Most odd.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 11, 2019 21:45:49 GMT
I think ‘Maybe The Moon’ is one of his absolute best and could make a fantastic film or tv series.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 22:16:01 GMT
I think ‘Maybe The Moon’ is one of his absolute best and could make a fantastic film or tv series. It's easily one of his best. I've read it about 3 times and cried every time.
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Post by karloscar on Jun 11, 2019 22:47:22 GMT
Darryl Hannah had the film rights to Maybe the Moon at one point, hoping to play the best friend. Don't know why it never got made.
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Post by missthelma on Jun 12, 2019 10:56:09 GMT
I think ‘Maybe The Moon’ is one of his absolute best and could make a fantastic film or tv series. How did I forget that one?? I recall loving it on first reading. Such a shame he hasn't written more. Still quality over quantity (I'm looking at you James Patterson)
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 14, 2019 3:02:52 GMT
I have finally finished watching it.
And it just isn't close enough to Maupin's tone or style for it to be convincing.
Setting aside the timeline that makes zero sense when viewed from the perspective of the original, it just doesn't work as part of the canon.
There are three great stories to be told in the final 3 books - and they are authentically Maupin. What this production has done is skimmed off a few elements of these and twisted it to tell their own story. Which would have been fine if they had said 'inspired by' but they didn't. They kept some of the original cast which made comparisons to the original more than inevitable. And it is only with those originals that it feels right. The new characters are in no way as fleshed out or real as they need to be to work alongside Mouse and Mary Ann.
There are some lovely cameo performances and some good moments. The flashback episode is probably the strongest of the series (and I would love to see more of the early days of Barbary Lane - and of queer SF in the 60s/70s)
But I just wanted something far more authentic. Maupin's voice rings through the novels and it just isn't there. There were too many producers and story editors and consulting producers etc etc etc etc. It lacked the clear vision that sticking to the novels would have given them.
The original novels should be taught in schools - just because kids should learn to love these stories, to love these characters and to get just a glimpse into a different time.
I wish I had had a Barbary Lane to call home. And whilst this series had that physical space, it wasn't the real Barbary Lane. It was a filtered version, transformed to meet the needs of a bloated production team.
Hurrah for Laura Linney - who was great as ever. Huge love for Jen Richards as a brilliant young Anna. Olympia is Mrs M and will always be her.
But I am glad that Netflix have said that this was a one off project. I don't think it worked as it could - and should - have done. More Maupin was the way to do. We didn't need a vehicle for Ellen Page to look moody - something she did very well, but it was not the engaging heart of the story that it needed to be to have been given such prominence.
One of the other issues was that so many of the climactic scenes took place in between episodes or just off screen - so we never got to see Sam explaining what his role really way, we never got to see Shawna's conversations in the immediate aftermath of discovering her true parentage. There was a heck of a lot of telling and not enough showing. Given the time dedicated to pool parties and 'creating atmosphere', we could have done with a bit more narrative in each episode. Netflix aren't bound by the conventional timeslots of TV drama. More space for the story to be shown could well of made it a more satisfying experience.
A wasted opportunity - and one that could have put people off the novels if they hadn't already discovered them. I urge anyone and everyone to read (or listen to) the originals. They are a joy. Cherish them. Share them with your friends. Create a bit of Barbary Lane in your own life.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 7, 2024 17:36:43 GMT
Quick bump to say his tenth book in the series Mona of the Manor is out this week.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 7, 2024 21:06:19 GMT
My copy arrived this afternoon
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 8, 2024 8:33:19 GMT
My copy arrived this afternoon Quite a slim tome isn’t it? And widely spaced. Probably be through it in an afternoon. Mr Maupin topping up his pension perhaps.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 8, 2024 8:35:31 GMT
Life in London is expensive
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 9, 2024 16:41:24 GMT
Audiobook is just over 5 hours. So it is little more than a novella. But it is still a Maupin and we don't have that much of him
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 9, 2024 20:02:13 GMT
Audiobook is just over 5 hours. So it is little more than a novella. But it is still a Maupin and we don't have that much of him I bought the physical copy which is something I don’t really do these days but I have the physical for all of the others so it seemed right to keep going with it. I did listen to the sample on Audible though, the American performer reading it seemed to be giving the country bumpkin gardener an Irish accent. I’m not very far through it but there’s been no indication that he’s Irish so that annoyed me. I bought the original TotC audiobooks with Maupin reading and it was truly awful. Flat, deadpan delivery. I see they’ve reissued them all, hopefully they’re better.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 9, 2024 20:12:33 GMT
The original C4 cast felt so perfect that they are who I will always think of in the central roles.
Maupin was on R4 this evening and he wasn't very engaging on that either.
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