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Post by magician on Nov 8, 2024 10:49:08 GMT
I’m only making comment on the controversy online and her first has caused people to go digging and find further . . . x.com/its_kelechi/status/1854728856164278447?s=46Sunset BLVD Instagram account has also locked down and no comments allowed now.
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Post by magician on Nov 8, 2024 11:19:53 GMT
This is beyond childish and ridiculous. She commented on a hat that said "Make Jesus First Again." and now are scouring the internet for any post she might have liked and going "SEE - SEE." Sorry - not sorry... if she "loses" a Tony over this, F- the Tony's. And F - Broadway too. "No wonder we can't have nice things." In all fairness Gypsy hasn’t opened yet, Death Becomes her is in previews, it’s not hers yet just because you like it.
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Post by christya on Nov 8, 2024 11:32:01 GMT
They might not affect her art, but they'll probably affect people's willingness to pay to see her art. And depending on how far this blows up, she might have just lost herself the Tony.
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Post by amyja89 on Nov 8, 2024 11:42:43 GMT
Spectacular own goal on the verge of real Broadway glory. I can't imagine the large bulk of Manhattan theatre patrons are going to be appreciative. 😬
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Post by matthew90 on Nov 8, 2024 11:50:23 GMT
Even if Twitter's a barren horrid wasteland ATM this post is ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Gatekeeping the arts and awards to only people who hold the 'accepted' religious and political views is incredibly troublesome. It undermines the freedoms we should be trying to uphold at all times - even when you don't agree with someone or if they may not be affording us the same.
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Post by chernjam on Nov 8, 2024 12:21:10 GMT
Even if Twitter's a barren horrid wasteland ATM this post is ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Gatekeeping the arts and awards to only people who hold the 'accepted' religious and political views is incredibly troublesome. It undermines the freedoms we should be trying to uphold at all times - even when you don't agree with someone or if they may not be affording us the same. Exactly - the point that Americans always (used) to agree with was that the way to combat speech that you disagree with isn't censoring others (or canceling) but encouraging more free speech. That people are this viciously attacking Nicole for what they determined was incorrect opinions from a few posts of hers is beyond disgusting to me. Thought the arts community was more open minded, accepting and tolerant. Now people are going after Kristin Chenoweth saying "oh she likes Russel Brand too..." Grateful for this forum where at least there's a bit more maturity and discussion than the hysterical echo chamber elsewhere...
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Post by max on Nov 8, 2024 12:40:48 GMT
Gatekeeping the arts and awards to only people who hold the 'accepted' religious and political views is incredibly troublesome. It undermines the freedoms we should be trying to uphold at all times - even when you don't agree with someone or if they may not be affording us the same. Exactly - the point that Americans always (used) to agree with was that the way to combat speech that you disagree with isn't censoring others (or canceling) but encouraging more free speech. That people are this viciously attacking Nicole for what they determined was incorrect opinions from a few posts of hers is beyond disgusting to me. Thought the arts community was more open minded, accepting and tolerant. Now people are going after Kristin Chenoweth saying "oh she likes Russel Brand too..." Grateful for this forum where at least there's a bit more maturity and discussion than the hysterical echo chamber elsewhere... Twitter/X, being owned by Elon Musk, is effectively now a branch of government; and was a campaigning organ throughout the election. I don't follow him but his posts were always at the top of my feed when I opened 'X'. He controls the algorithm. He is the only person I'm aware of whose Posts are immune from getting 'Community Notes' i.e. they can't be flagged for disinformation and lies. It looks like Jeff Bezos leant on the editorial board of the Washington Post. Peter Thiel doesn't believe that 'freedom and democracy' are compatible. These billionaires are now running things. How do ordinary Americans without great power combat that? Why (in the face of all that) shouldn't people be speaking loudly in the spaces they have remaining to them?
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Post by distantcousin on Nov 8, 2024 13:19:37 GMT
I didn't realise the Broadway so called "community" was so partisan. Scary stuff.
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Post by distantcousin on Nov 8, 2024 13:21:11 GMT
This is beyond childish and ridiculous. She commented on a hat that said "Make Jesus First Again." and now are scouring the internet for any post she might have liked and going "SEE - SEE." Sorry - not sorry... if she "loses" a Tony over this, F- the Tony's. And F - Broadway too. "No wonder we can't have nice things."
Cancel Culture has been fully enabled and in full systematic effect. (but many deny that it even exists....)
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Post by blamerobots on Nov 8, 2024 13:30:12 GMT
I don't really care much if she's one way or the other but I agree with amyja89 that this is a history-making own goal when you're doing a show on Broadway. Time will tell whether this affects the show's run or not.
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Post by max on Nov 8, 2024 14:01:59 GMT
She's managed to make her Broadway achievement age like milk. Talking of which - I wonder if Alison Hammond has bagged the Muller Yoghurt adverts yet.
Things (and people) you think you've risen above may not be waiting for you on the way down.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Nov 8, 2024 14:28:31 GMT
Broadway has repeatedly proven itself to be a hub of democratic (as in the party) ideals - see Hamilton's cast speaking to Pence when he was VP-elect, and Patti LuPone saying Trump wasn't welcome at War Paint. Once of the best things about the theatre community, in my opinion, is that we look after our own. We raise money for things like TheatreMAD, Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDSand the Theatre Support Fund and the support behind that seems genuine. It's a small community, really, and a tight-knit one. It never gets particularly mainstream in the way Hollywood does. The events that get put on are community-based ones like flea markets and bake sales. So it makes complete and total sense to me that a vocal and proud Trump supporter would not be welcome. Conservative views have typically come after many of groups that make up the theatre community and if someone was supporting a government seeking to enact misogynistic, racist, homophobic, etc. policies, you can't really be surprised that the Broadway community would be less than welcoming. Theatre is political. We cannot pretend it's a neutral space, nor should we.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Nov 8, 2024 21:00:01 GMT
I must say that if I saw all this before I had seen her in the show- I certainly wouldn’t pay to watch her now. Bad enough she follows and commented on a Russell Brand post- but if she supports Trump too. No. Absolutely not.
The stories I’ve heard of her being quite a handful to deal with I can almost forgive. Not this.
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Post by chernjam on Nov 8, 2024 21:05:43 GMT
Given that Trump won the election, there's a 50/50 chance that she is or isn't a supporter. But who cares? My social feeds are littered with people squealing about the result, as if somehow wailing or gnashing will change it. Nicole is entitled to whatever views she has and doesn't need to explain them (whatever they are). I like that she has the courage to not give a fig for pandering to the PC brigade. It's a curious thing that so many actors feel the need to indulge us with their views like we are all stuck in some kind of moderated echo chamber, but the moment something mildly contentious is said or done then the pile-on happens. Nicole may yet win the Tony, but having bagged the Olivier already, she also might not give a monkey's. Being one of the Americans on this board who loves Sunset and this production I'm just furious about this stupid faux controversy. Our elections have gotten more and more toxic because of social media insanity. She liked a picture that Brand had that said "Make Jesus First Again" that looked similar to the MAGA gear... and people have made her out to be this closeted celebrity who only wished she could have performed at the Republican National Convention or at Trumps inauguration this coming January. The lack of tolerance being displayed with so much vicious, vile and untrue statements ('she sucks') infuriates me. Unlike some in the "Broadway community" I don't know what her political views truly are - and to be honest, I don't care about any of them. What's the saying about opinions and a------s? I get that a sizable number of people in our country are upset with the results this week. But rather than do something constructive and concrete with that (perhaps get involved in meaningful political discourse or dare I say actually volunteer for campaigns and causes) they'd rather find a scape goat, trash them and hope they can destroy something that just a few nights ago was seen as one of the most thrilling things to have arrived in NY especially since the pandemic.
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Post by danb on Nov 8, 2024 21:20:40 GMT
People are not their art. If they were I wouldn’t be able to sit through another LW show ever again.
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Post by max on Nov 8, 2024 21:51:05 GMT
I feel sad for this situation. I really wish I had posters on my wall still (physically, or figuratively). It's a great thing to be 'all in' for admiration of someone or something.
I miss it.
But two song lyrics stick with me:
The Stranglers - Heroes: "Whatever happened to all the heroes? They watched their Rome burn.....No more heroes anymore"
Oasis - Don't Look Back In Anger: "Please don't put your life in the hands of a rock'n'roll band, who'll throw it all away"
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Post by ntherooh on Nov 8, 2024 23:28:37 GMT
Oh boy.. everything looked so promising. This is so sad.
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Post by chernjam on Nov 9, 2024 1:07:53 GMT
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Post by magician on Nov 9, 2024 1:21:45 GMT
It’s not like she was in the running for a Tony anyway, Tony voters would see her performance as just her playing herself in a concert of Sunset.
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Post by magician on Nov 9, 2024 1:23:44 GMT
I don’t care about her political beliefs which further have been exposed including a “save the children” trope but Russell Brand and then trying to be high and mighty with Jesus loving? Sure Jan.
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Post by d'James on Nov 9, 2024 2:48:56 GMT
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Nov 9, 2024 6:13:44 GMT
It’s not like she was in the running for a Tony anyway, Tony voters would see her performance as just her playing herself in a concert of Sunset. What complete and utter BS.
She's was and still is very much in the running for the Tony. She's not even that well known in the US compared to here in the UK
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Post by danb on Nov 9, 2024 7:37:00 GMT
It has, however, reminded people that both her & Sunset exist, just as the media hubbub was dying down. 🙄
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Post by BVM on Nov 9, 2024 10:03:09 GMT
So I was wondering what was gonna come first yesterday - Mother's clarifying and apology statement - MJT's video about it.
I guess it was inevitable in 2024 trial by social media age that she was gonna have to say something. (And I look forward to MJT's 45 minute video later today ;-))
What a storm in a teacup though, honestly. Yes as I said yesterday I don't want someone who's talent and performance I idolise to be a Trump or Brand supporter. But it was 6 words about a bloody hat. The inferences and extrapolations that were drawn from it were insane. You could honestly take pretty much any celebrity, go through their social media and find something to suit a narrative. The nonsense I read yesterday (she hates the immigrants, she hates the gays, she hates the trans people - like literally what planet are people on? She loves these people).
I truly doubt she really thinks much about her politics. Most of her feeds is random musings. She's very other worldly. I could never "get" her - her brain is clearly wired in a different way to mine. But if I had to guess, her brain is 99% full of her performance, Norma, her friends, her family, her role as an artist. And less than 1% about world affairs and even less about politics.
Like, she's not the enemy. Look at the people for whom we can be sure of their abhorrent views. The abysmal JK Rowling spouting anti trans crap onto Twitter day in day out. Sharron Davies - even worse. This utter obsession that trans people are coming to get her and now of course all her pro Reform stuff. 6 words from Nicole don't put her anywhere near these people. If there were pages of stuff it might be different.
I am left wing and I will gladly shout about equality in human rights and fair distribution of health, social care, housing, education for all. But humans are not black and white. The human condition is complex. We don't all fall neatly into moulds. My best friend is a Brexiteer. Don't understand it, don't get it, but he is. On social issues he's fully aligned with me. It's one aspect of a complex human. it doesn't affect my friendship with him. For the majority of people your values are never gonna align 100%.
I am sure the Broadway company view her as an entire person - warts and all - like all of us. Presuming they've found lots there, 6 words on an Insta reply won't change their relationship with her. The hysteria on BWW (quelle surprise) that it's gonna destroy the company is laughable.
And my God if there is one thing the current fractious political environment shows us, it's that we need to engage, we need to try and understand. Nightmarish though that may seem. I can't STAND Trump. He is odious as a person and I think very dangerous globally politically. But more than 50% of the world's biggest country democratically voted for him. So it's almost our duty to try and understand why. And to try, bleak though it may feel, to bring groups together. Otherwise things gets worse. It pains me, but that's the way I see it. Hate only ever breeds more hate. There is also that deeply grim thought that at the very back of the circle the extreme far left do kind of meet the far right. Just screaming at each other. It's not a thought I like or really want to believe to be honest. But it's a hypothesis that has enough in it to make me ponder.
The whole debacle also exposes the joy people take in a social media witch-hunt. I mean, it really was. Did some people genuinely feel threatened by her? Maybe, I dunno, am not American. Were most people having a lot of fun with a social media pile on. That's how it looked like to me. Don't blame the individuals. Social media has made us all like this to an extent. I probs fail as many do, but I do try hard to be aware of it.
Also, back in the day - nobody knew what actors views were. Some of the stars I watched in the 80's and 90's I'd have no idea if that had awful views about anything. They were just actors on the stage. I kinda liked the degree of separation and the mythical feel to it all. Everything is just a bit grottier now.
I hope that's the end of the issue - though no doubt will rumble on for a bit. Honestly couldn't care less if she gets a Tony though my own position is politics has no place in awards. I have no beef in the game though. I generally have minimal interest in award ceremonies.
But back to the show - personally I can't bloody wait to be able to see it again :-)
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Post by ceebee on Nov 9, 2024 10:09:22 GMT
These are beautiful words BVM - a really great summary.
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