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Post by greeny11 on Jun 12, 2022 17:32:22 GMT
Edit: I see it's already been posted.
ALW really does have a complete lack of awareness of the appropriate things to say. That is an awful letter to ask Laurence to read out at a closing performance.
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Post by richey on Jun 12, 2022 17:32:54 GMT
So basically ALW blaming everyone else including the government for the show's failure
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Post by cezbear on Jun 12, 2022 17:36:22 GMT
I’ve just come out of the theatre and Andrews letter was…wow. I’ll post a more detailed review later tonight along with the full bows and speech that I filmed. Lauren Byrne screeching on the stage during the letter being read was also…a choice. I think given it being filmed by so many Lauren might later regret her behaviour during the speech! With that said, that letter was... something. The audience boos for ALW also really something else. Awful lot of love shown to the cast though, two standing ovations mid show, VHB absolutely stole the entire thing and was rapturously received. Unforgettable performance but a shame ALW and certain cast members had to spoil things (again).
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Post by partytentdown on Jun 12, 2022 17:37:44 GMT
How incredibly self indulgent. This was NOT the moment to complain about the government, the lack of funding (the man is a multi millionaire and everyone on that stage is now out of a job) and everything else. A "costly failure" maybe, but save that for the internal meetings, not in front of your company and a full house who have just paid full whack to watch it.
The fact that ALW wrote that, didn't turn up to say it himself and expected it to be read out says everything you need to know. The fact that the director laughingly read it out is another matter.
The cast looked like they wanted to push him off the stage.
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Post by partytentdown on Jun 12, 2022 17:42:20 GMT
No mention of Broadway, I think we can assume that's off...
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Post by properjob on Jun 12, 2022 17:44:57 GMT
I think watching the video he means an expensive mistake to open or try to open when they did, rather than waiting for all restrictions to be fully over before opening. At least I hope that is what he meant but it was very badly worded.
My personal theory is that wouldn't actually have helped as I think that one of the the ways COVID impacted it is they had too long working on it without audiences and so became too wedded to how it was. I liked it but I think there is a better show in there they didn't quite manage to tease out.
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Post by eoghan31 on Jun 12, 2022 17:51:51 GMT
How incredibly cowardly of ALW not to turn up to support his cast, creative team and indeed his audience who stayed with the show right through to the final performance. Yes, the pandemic caused so many problems as it did for so many productions but oddly the decision to close the musical for a month over Christmas was only down to one thing - poor advance box office. No closure necessary down the road for Frozen during the same period in a theatre twice the size of the Gillian Lynne so enough said. Carrie and the whole cast deserved more respect and I just hope that will come in their next show we will be fortunate to see them in.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Jun 12, 2022 17:52:45 GMT
No mention of Broadway, I think we can assume that's off... Yeah, I assumed the same from the 'This isn't the end of Cinderella, at least I hope it isn't' bit...
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Post by couldileaveyou on Jun 12, 2022 17:54:24 GMT
Minute 7 to 9 for those who are interested
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Post by max on Jun 12, 2022 17:56:05 GMT
Appalling. If Only - someone had said 'no, I won't rig up a sound system for you to discipline the cast remotely' If Only - Laurence Connor had 'accidentally on purpose' skipped the line about an "expensive mistake" - other than that the letter was salvageable.
The thing about surrounding yourself with 'Yes' people is they may say yes to what they know are your mistakes.
Whereas a real supporter (a super-Yes person) will try to clean up what they know are your worst failings or impulses, for your own good, and because they genuinely care about you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2022 18:06:15 GMT
I think watching the video he means an expensive mistake to open or try to open when they did, rather than waiting for all restrictions to be fully over before opening. At least I hope that is what he meant but it was very badly worded. That's my impression, but I wouldn't describe it as an "expensive mistake". I'd describe it as a catastrophically stupid decision driven mainly by a petulant demand that the universe revolve around him. He wasn't leading the way to reopening the West End. He was throwing a tantrum and expecting everyone else to clean up his mess.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Jun 12, 2022 18:09:58 GMT
They definitely made the right call not having ALW there. It was nice for that moment to be more focused on the cast (even if one or two of them have said some stupid things, the majority seem like decent people now out of a job). I think the feeling from the audience definitely suggested they would happily have booed ALW in person and I really don't know how that would've gone down. Better to avoid that. Sending the letter wasn't a smart move either, though.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Jun 12, 2022 18:11:38 GMT
ALW is just the worst. He had to be loathsome to the very end.
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Post by steve10086 on Jun 12, 2022 18:37:00 GMT
A new low for ALW. But there regularly seems to be a new low for him lately. Is he on a self destruction course?
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Post by shady23 on Jun 12, 2022 18:43:53 GMT
I can only imagine the looks on the casts faces when that was read out...
Edit: actually just seen the video.
They look like they'd rather be anywhere else than listening to that. So awkward to watch.
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Post by inthenose on Jun 12, 2022 18:46:31 GMT
I've now listened to the letter four times for clarity. I don't understand what he said that was actually incorrect.
The timing, however, was appalling. What he said sounded in line with my experiences, except for praising the cast. He should've singled out the professionals from the cast for praise, and pointedly ignored the ones who helped make this fail.
Poor content, poorly produced, poor cast - only those with the lowest bar of taste will miss this mess.
ALW ****ed up, as I've been saying since previews, but some very deeply unpleasant elements within have hurt this show too.
S**tshow from day one. I know a lot more than I am able to share about the behaviour of key individuals within the company.
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Post by lolalou on Jun 12, 2022 18:47:23 GMT
I’ve just come out of the theatre and Andrews letter was…wow. I’ll post a more detailed review later tonight along with the full bows and speech that I filmed. Lauren Byrne screeching on the stage during the letter being read was also…a choice. I think given it being filmed by so many Lauren might later regret her behaviour during the speech! With that said, that letter was... something. The audience boos for ALW also really something else. Awful lot of love shown to the cast though, two standing ovations mid show, VHB absolutely stole the entire thing and was rapturously received. Unforgettable performance but a shame ALW and certain cast members had to spoil things (again). Well I guess he was only speaking the truth! It was (for him) ‘a costly mistake’ Time and place though Andy! Looked at the video didn’t see Lauren Byrne do anything but hey... This cast has pretty much done what the hell they like so 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2022 18:47:24 GMT
Connor seemed to suggest something is going on with the Lord, after the letter he said:
"It's easy to find a villain in these things but Andrew is going through some well well I'll say to you all . . . "
But he stopped himself from revealing whatever the Lord is going through.
At 8:50 mark.
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Post by lolalou on Jun 12, 2022 18:48:31 GMT
I've now listened to the letter four times for clarity. I don't understand what he said that was actually incorrect. The timing, however, was appalling. What he said sounded in line with my experiences, except for praising the cast. He should've singled out the professionals from the cast for praise, and pointedly ignored the ones who helped make this fail. Poor content, poorly produced, poor cast - only those with the lowest bar of taste will miss this mess. ALW ****ed up, as I've been saying since previews, but some very deeply unpleasant elements within have hurt this show too. S**tshow from day one. I know a lot more than I am able to share about the behaviour of key individuals within the company. Come on now.. We don’t need names just details....👑
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Post by inthenose on Jun 12, 2022 18:49:40 GMT
I've now listened to the letter four times for clarity. I don't understand what he said that was actually incorrect. The timing, however, was appalling. What he said sounded in line with my experiences, except for praising the cast. He should've singled out the professionals from the cast for praise, and pointedly ignored the ones who helped make this fail. Poor content, poorly produced, poor cast - only those with the lowest bar of taste will miss this mess. ALW ****ed up, as I've been saying since previews, but some very deeply unpleasant elements within have hurt this show too. S**tshow from day one. I know a lot more than I am able to share about the behaviour of key individuals within the company. Come on now.. We don’t need names just details....👑 I am not getting sued and risking employment over this mess and the drama. Key people within the production have made themselves unemployable.
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Post by lolalou on Jun 12, 2022 18:49:44 GMT
I can only imagine the looks on the casts faces when that was read out... Edit: actually just seen the video. They look like they'd rather be anywhere else than listening to that. So awkward to watch. I think the fact no one clapped when Laurence Connor mentioned him (before the letter) spoke VOLUMES
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Post by inthenose on Jun 12, 2022 18:51:06 GMT
I wonder what Oliver makes of all this...
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Post by stagebyte on Jun 12, 2022 18:52:36 GMT
I wonder what Oliver makes of all this... I’m sure he’s got more stuff on his mind at the moment 😉
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Post by marob on Jun 12, 2022 18:53:52 GMT
Saw this last year and, contrary to popular opinion on here, I quite liked it, so when I saw it was closing at the same time that I was in London to see The Car Man I booked for the final performance. It’s only the second time I’ve seen the show, but it was a pretty great audience to be a part of. Much like last week when I saw The Play That Goes Wrong with the original cast, the audience was full of fans who were really appreciative of the show, and it was an incredible atmosphere.
Then the director read ALW’s letter out. His Lordship really knows how to kill a mood. Jesus. Even if it was just badly worded, it was like a final dig from someone who didn’t even bother to show up.
FWIW that cast board is still wrong as William Bozier would have been at the Albert Hall performing in The Car Man. I’m not sure about the others but Dominic Adam Griffin was one of the swings who came at the end in their normal clothes, so he wasn’t on either.
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Post by squidward on Jun 12, 2022 18:55:39 GMT
Whatever he meant by ‘costly mistake’ that schmuck of a director should have had the sense and bravery to not read that part of the letter out. He just managed to make himself look like a prize fool along with his boss. And what was the reference to writing a song with Jim Steinman about? I have no idea what relevance that had. None of the trouble on this production from whichever side should have been played out in public. What a truly dreadfully unkind and unprofessional saga all the backstage politics has been in the name of what was supposed to be lighthearted entertainment.
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