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Post by ceebee on May 18, 2022 8:09:52 GMT
I'll be interested to see what work follows for some of the more vocal cast members. Somebody should remind them that they are just actors. Acting. They are replaceable and none of their vacuous musings on social media really matters. Outside of their world, nobody knows or cares who they are.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on May 18, 2022 8:41:37 GMT
What a horrible thing to say.
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Post by ladidah on May 18, 2022 8:44:16 GMT
That's very harsh, as I said earlier - they are free to rant but they should just be wary that comments made online stay forever.
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Post by buckybear on May 18, 2022 8:58:06 GMT
I'll be interested to see what work follows for some of the more vocal cast members. Somebody should remind them that they are just actors. Acting. They are replaceable and none of their vacuous musings on social media really matters. Outside of their world, nobody knows or cares who they are. Well said. |
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Post by ceebee on May 18, 2022 8:58:56 GMT
What a horrible thing to say. Not really. In most other walks of life, such melodrama and antics simply don't happen. So bored of folk playing out their lives in public. |
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Post by danb on May 18, 2022 9:23:01 GMT
I’m afraid that this is true. I can’t think of many professions/organisations where such behaviour would end well for you, yet the liberal arts seem to think its ok. ALW was well within his rights to haul his cast over the coals, just not in the WAY that he did. Its always made me think of a Bond villain round the table with his cronies, and trying to guess who’s chair will fall away from them into the shark pool. 🦈
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 18, 2022 9:30:28 GMT
Another show stop again tonight apparently! Mischief afoot?  |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on May 18, 2022 9:35:25 GMT
What a horrible thing to say. Not really. In most other walks of life, such melodrama and antics simply don't happen. So bored of folk playing out their lives in public. No, it’s a vile comment. Plenty of people moan about their jobs. Plenty of freelancers across a range of industries and jobs publicly voice complaints about bad clients or widespread bad practice in terms of how freelancers are treated. Very very normal and commonplace. Comparing freelancers to employees is illogical, and it’s naive to think this kind of melodrama doesn’t happen in other industries. Besides like it or not, the performing arts is a different from other industries. I’ve noticed a tendency both on this forum and elsewhere to act as though the performing arts is exactly like working in an office and should be held to corporate office standards, which is just weird, naive and out of touch. Are people in office jobs told they have to have social media profiles? That their promotion rests on how many social media followers they have? That they are obligated to build up a “public persona” and reveal things about their personal lives in order to develop a persona and build up a fan base? Are office workers offered money to talk about their love lives in the press? Are office workers pressured into discussing their personal lives in public, or pressured into going along with fake feuds as a PR stunt? People saying actors will make themselves unhireable from this simply have no clue how the industry works. Besides, criticise their online behaviour all you like. Making personal attacks like “vacuous” and claiming “no one cares what they have to say” (which is pretty hypocritical when there are so many pages of people debating what they have to say pretty intensely) is just unnecessarily rude and personal. If you dislike actors and the performing art world why are you even on a theatre forum? |
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Post by ladidah on May 18, 2022 9:37:51 GMT
What keeps going wrong with the stage? What a shame, would really take me out of the show.
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Post by cezbear on May 18, 2022 9:41:43 GMT
I’m afraid that this is true. I can’t think of many professions/organisations where such behaviour would end well for you, yet the liberal arts seem to think its ok. ALW was well within his rights to haul his cast over the coals, just not in the WAY that he did. Its always made me think of a Bond villain round the table with his cronies, and trying to guess who’s chair will fall away from them into the shark pool. 🦈
Agreed. I have had PLENTY of rude things to say about my employers/workplace at various times in my life, and have done so at great length - in private. Never ever would I dream of doing so in public, no matter how dreadful they were (and they really have been). And I don't even work in a particuarly strict industry.
This all just feels performative to me. And probably not helped by the fact I imagine they're in a bit of an echo chamber where all the comments they get will be their colleagues/friends egging them on. But those fellow ensemble members are unlikely to be of much help when they're unemployed. And even if they do keep on getting hired there are people I will now actively avoid seeing if cast because of the bitter taste left by some of this behaviour tbh. |
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Post by ceebee on May 18, 2022 9:57:59 GMT
Not really. In most other walks of life, such melodrama and antics simply don't happen. So bored of folk playing out their lives in public. No, it’s a vile comment. Plenty of people moan about their jobs. Plenty of freelancers across a range of industries and jobs publicly voice complaints about bad clients or widespread bad practice in terms of how freelancers are treated. Very very normal and commonplace. Comparing freelancers to employees is illogical, and it’s naive to think this kind of melodrama doesn’t happen in other industries. Besides like it or not, the performing arts is a different from other industries. I’ve noticed a tendency both on this forum and elsewhere to act as though the performing arts is exactly like working in an office and should be held to corporate office standards, which is just weird, naive and out of touch. Are people in office jobs told they have to have social media profiles? That their promotion rests on how many social media followers they have? That they are obligated to build up a “public persona” and reveal things about their personal lives in order to develop a persona and build up a fan base? Are office workers offered money to talk about their love lives in the press? Are office workers pressured into discussing their personal lives in public, or pressured into going along with fake feuds as a PR stunt? People saying actors will make themselves unhireable from this simply have no clue how the industry works. Besides, criticise their online behaviour all you like. Making personal attacks like “vacuous” and claiming “no one cares what they have to say” (which is pretty hypocritical when there are so many pages of people debating what they have to say pretty intensely) is just unnecessarily rude and personal. If you dislike actors and the performing art world why are you even on a theatre forum? Your long-winded answer is assumptive and laden with hyperbole. I'm not arguing with you - you don't like my view? Fine, it doesn't bother me whether you do or don't. Your reply smacks of the kind of flakiness exhibited by somebody who has a preset view of the world. Did I ever say I dislike actors? I know plenty - actually studied with several of them too - some of them are very successful in the UK and Hollywood.. Interestingly, they don't bitch their employers in public. Calling something "vacuous" isn't personal, particularly when no names have been mentioned! Either grow up or wise up. Either will do if it leads to a more constructive response. |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on May 18, 2022 10:17:27 GMT
There really is no reason to get nasty.
Its obvious that some posters here aren’t aware of the norms either in the performing arts world, or about freelancing - it’s not logical to compare freelancing to being an employee. (And if you’re shocked by this, you’d be horrified by what’s normal in the world of fashion, media, or news.)
It’s clearly not reasonable to expect actors to adhere to corporate office standards, and it’s sheer naïveté to think this will damage their career just because your office wouldn’t allow it.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 18, 2022 10:39:35 GMT
Let’s move on from the personal stuff please. Keep comments focussed on the show and it’s cast/creatives rather than each other. Thank you.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 18, 2022 10:41:17 GMT
What keeps going wrong with the stage? What a shame, would really take me out of the show. Sabotage! 😲 |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 18, 2022 10:48:47 GMT
Reputation absolutely matters in the performing arts. People start losing out on casting because they are always late for calls or patchy in rehearsal attendance or any other type of issue that can affect the quality of the shows. We all know of people who disappear from productions for unreported reasons.
Company managers notice this sort of poor behaviour and reputations are made or damaged.
Social media behaviour is part of that mix.
A high profile case recently shows how careers can be destroyed by a long forgotten posting.
Performers have ways of raising concerns, grievances and complaints. They are supported by a very long established union. They are not without options when it comes to bringing issues to the fore.
Whistleblowing also remains an option where there is really no other way of tackling serious matters
But the vast majority of things can be resolved using internal mechanisms or by seeking support from agents and union reps. That is what they are there for.
Your friends, families and colleagues are there to offers shoulders to cry on or just to listen to you vent.
Social media posts are not the most constructive way of dealing with any type of employment issue - whether you are a freelancer or an employee.
Attacking your employee in public is not the only way open to you during difficult times. And it may have consequences as to how others perceive you in the future.
And that does mean that you run the risk of not being seen for shows you really want to be part of.
Think before you post.
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Post by fiyero on May 18, 2022 11:07:41 GMT
I’m at the matinee this afternoon for my 4th visit but 1st since the hiatus and flamboyant curtain call has been added. Hope it all goes smoothly with only the written drama!
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Post by fiyero on May 18, 2022 13:58:17 GMT
Show stop in 'unfair'
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Post by stagebyte on May 18, 2022 14:03:35 GMT
Not going down the wormhole of conspiracy theories here (but ok I will)
It seems there has been an awful lot of show stops since the announcement of the closure, no?
Don’t recall *any* prior 🤔
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Post by fiyerorocher on May 18, 2022 14:04:28 GMT
Maybe they're not bothering to maintain things the way they usually would because they know it's going to close soon?
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Post by Paulw on May 18, 2022 14:23:05 GMT
What is it for this time? |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 18, 2022 14:47:31 GMT
Is Rodney Vubya in the building?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2022 14:53:12 GMT
Publicity: "Every number a showstopper!"
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Post by fiyero on May 18, 2022 15:02:26 GMT
What is it for this time? No idea. It was mid scene. They turned the fire off just before calling the curtain down but there was no scenery due to move for a while and nothing obviously missing. |
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Post by chernjam on May 18, 2022 17:48:42 GMT
It does seem pretty suspicious that all these "mechanical failures" are happening now. Seriously if it is some shenanigans, people's careers will be forever marred by it. If you argue that ALW/RUG was unprofessional with the handling of the closure, you don't respond by being unprofessional yourself
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Post by steve10086 on May 18, 2022 18:12:49 GMT
Let’s move on from the personal stuff please. Keep comments focussed on the show and it’s cast/creatives rather than each other. Thank you. ALW is a knob… is that allowed?  |
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