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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 18:28:11 GMT
You get shock from being a victim of violence or suffering trauma. People losing a job can suffer trauma but it isn't violent and someone not getting a role is they didn't get a job. That's not like having got a role and the job not being there as Scarlet did.
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Post by musicbox on May 4, 2022 18:32:26 GMT
PTSD? TRAUMA? not being dismissive (well I am because people who have come out the other side of WAR or serious assault or sexual abuse or any type of really serious stuff often end up with those syndromes) But if it was really THAT bad that one of them has PTSD then their agents need sacking as that is what they are there for to act as a go between to negotiate contacts and to mediate on issues. If he’s being dramatic then he needs to choose his words a little more carefully next time otherwise how can he ever hope to be taken seriously. There is a growing mindset that anything can be construed as an act of violence. I saw a local student complaining that she didn't get cast in a tiny production of Tick Tick Boom and calling it an act of violence. It really does diminish the suffering experienced by those who have to deal with real not imagined violence. Losing a job is never good. But it doesn't make you a victim. Totally agree with every word! You have two choices when something like this happens - you can either accept it, move on and tell yourself that it wasn’t meant to be and is making way for something better, or play the victim and ultimately hurt yourself! |
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Post by danb on May 4, 2022 18:36:48 GMT
PTSD? TRAUMA? not being dismissive (well I am because people who have come out the other side of WAR or serious assault or sexual abuse or any type of really serious stuff often end up with those syndromes) But if it was really THAT bad that one of them has PTSD then their agents need sacking as that is what they are there for to act as a go between to negotiate contacts and to mediate on issues. If he’s being dramatic then he needs to choose his words a little more carefully next time otherwise how can he ever hope to be taken seriously. Unfortunately the human brain doesn’t always fit into these narrow minded, judgmental constraints and does what it wants. If you haven’t lived it you shouldn’t be judging it without the details. Empathy costs nothing. |
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Post by anthony on May 4, 2022 18:55:57 GMT
Said it before and I'll say it again: Once context has been applied to this whole situation, it really isn't anywhere near as awful as initially made out. It's literally a storm in a teacup. I get being upset. I really, really do. But let's be real: the hyperbole here is ridiculous.
I mean, honestly. There are some pretty dodgy precedents in theatre, such as extending a show to give the impression it's doing well to boost ticket sales, only for it to close before the first closing date, for example. What has happened here doesn't even compare... Strallen herself said that these things happen, it's just the way they found out. I mean honestly... that person who made that TikTok of her mum crying on FaceTime? Seriously?
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 4, 2022 18:56:33 GMT
Claiming a diagnosis of PTSD a matter of hours after an employment issue is simply not credible.
PTSD is a serious health condition that takes time to manifest and then time to diagnose.
There is no doubt that all of those affected by recent events deserve support, sympathy and empathy.
But making exaggerated claims like we have seen is disrespecful of those who do suffer from conditions like PTSD. Pointing this out is not showing a lack of empathy. It is being honest and realistic.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2022 19:13:47 GMT
Claiming a diagnosis of PTSD a matter of hours after an employment issue is simply not credible. Indeed. They've lost a job, not an arm.
I expect almost everyone has lost a job with no notice and been devastated by it. When I lost my first job we were all called into a meeting a couple of days before Christmas and told (paraphrasing) "I've spent the company's money on a speedboat and now I can't pay you. Sucks to be you. I'm not going to pay you redundancy because I don't have to."
(We lawyered him. He had to.)
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Post by danb on May 4, 2022 19:21:59 GMT
Claiming a diagnosis of PTSD a matter of hours after an employment issue is simply not credible. PTSD is a serious health condition that takes time to manifest and then time to diagnose. There is no doubt that all of those affected by recent events deserve support, sympathy and empathy. But making exaggerated claims like we have seen is disrespecful of those who do suffer from conditions like PTSD. Pointing this out is not showing a lack of empathy. It is being honest and realistic. …in your opinion. Of course it’s all a massive over reaction, but people are traumatised or just upset by things all the time. The last thing they need is an internet Michael Winner telling them to ‘calm down dear, it’s just a job’. (And unless you know exactly what has happened over the last year to him we can’t comment with any sort of accuracy). |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 4, 2022 19:47:07 GMT
Summer has been all over the media hasn’t she!
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 4, 2022 20:05:20 GMT
Claiming a diagnosis of PTSD a matter of hours after an employment issue is simply not credible. PTSD is a serious health condition that takes time to manifest and then time to diagnose. There is no doubt that all of those affected by recent events deserve support, sympathy and empathy. But making exaggerated claims like we have seen is disrespecful of those who do suffer from conditions like PTSD. Pointing this out is not showing a lack of empathy. It is being honest and realistic. …in your opinion. Of course it’s all a massive over reaction, but people are traumatised or just upset by things all the time. The last thing they need is an internet Michael Winner telling them to ‘calm down dear, it’s just a job’. (And unless you know exactly what has happened over the last year to him we can’t comment with any sort of accuracy). As someone who has worked in the field of mental health for some time, I take these things very seriously indeed. And by descending into name calling, it is clear the sort of person you are. |
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Post by musicbox on May 4, 2022 20:17:15 GMT
Summer has been all over the media hasn’t she! I have a strong feeling that she’s going to regret this to be honest! Regardless of how he treats people, ALW and his company are very powerful entities who can make or break a theatre career. That’s why some other actors involved are staying quiet, it’s really not worth it in the long run. |
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Post by danb on May 4, 2022 20:38:07 GMT
…in your opinion. Of course it’s all a massive over reaction, but people are traumatised or just upset by things all the time. The last thing they need is an internet Michael Winner telling them to ‘calm down dear, it’s just a job’. (And unless you know exactly what has happened over the last year to him we can’t comment with any sort of accuracy). As someone who has worked in the field of mental health for some time, I take these things very seriously indeed. And by descending into name calling, it is clear the sort of person you are. Wow, you must be really good if you can tell what kind of person I am from a dodgy Michael Winner joke. It’s a shame that you aren’t able to use that skill to empathise and acknowledge that people have their own truths and agendas in such a time of stress. It isn’t anyones normality. Nothing about the behaviours on display are normal; likewise the situation. Passing judgement and kicking people when they’re down is pretty low though. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 4, 2022 20:48:43 GMT
Name calling shows a very clear lack of empathy. And you can't dismiss it by calling it a joke.
It was a rude comment. I called it out. And the person got defensive.
Not going to engage with that sort of behaviour.
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Post by Someone in a tree on May 4, 2022 21:04:06 GMT
As someone who hasn't fought in a war or lost a limb but who has had PTSD please be try to be respectful to other people.
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Post by danb on May 4, 2022 21:22:18 GMT
Name calling shows a very clear lack of empathy. And you can't dismiss it by calling it a joke. It was a rude comment. I called it out. And the person got defensive. Not going to engage with that sort of behaviour. I’m (sorry, this person is) not dismissing it. It isn’t important, or a thing to be ashamed of or a thing to dismiss. I just have a different sense of humour to you and disagree with your refusal to acknowledge other peoples truths. You may well have studied/worked in mental health…well done…but it doesn’t make your opinion or feelings more valid. I’m…sorry, this person…is going to bed now before I end up blocking you. |
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Post by shady23 on May 4, 2022 21:44:58 GMT
A lot of people joke about their OCD if they are tidying up when they do not have OCD diagnosed. I would say that is no different.
Nobody knows what went on behind the scenes at this show but lots has been hinted at. It does not seem to have been the best experience. Yet if some people do not speak out will such things ever change in this industry? I suspect not.
We really need to move on from the "you should be happy to have a job because someone else would love to do it" thing in every single industry; not just this one.
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Post by stagebyte on May 4, 2022 22:07:59 GMT
Did Carrie give her Cinders this evening?
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Post by christya on May 4, 2022 22:52:12 GMT
Nope, Georgina, but I think it's a normally scheduled day for her. I hadn't seen her before so thought I'd catch her before it closes (for the grand sum of £17.55 including booking fee, front of the non-moving stalls section).
I'm a bit torn to be honest. I found her a more believable Cinderella opposite Ivano - he's so young looking that the by-no-means-decrepit Carrie always looks a bit too old for him to me. She had some beautiful moments, and I'd like to see her again in another leading role. However, overall her voice didn't suit the role as much as Carrie's for me. Not surprising I suppose considering who worked with ALW on it! I'm glad I caught her performance before the show closes though.
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Post by mrbarnaby on May 5, 2022 5:31:12 GMT
I can’t believe anyone would cast Ivano as the male romantic lead. He’s not very…. Butch…. To say the least. I thought by the end he’d run off with one of those naff bakers
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Post by cezbear on May 5, 2022 6:03:46 GMT
I can’t believe anyone would cast Ivano as the male romantic lead. He’s not very…. Butch…. To say the least. I thought by the end he’d run off with one of those naff bakers Why exactly do you need to be 'butch' to be a male romantic lead? Are we not past all that. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on May 5, 2022 6:27:08 GMT
I can’t believe anyone would cast Ivano as the male romantic lead. He’s not very…. Butch…. To say the least. I thought by the end he’d run off with one of those naff bakers Why exactly do you need to be 'butch' to be a male romantic lead? Are we not past all that. By butch, I meant not camp as Christmas…. |
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Post by shambles on May 5, 2022 6:53:16 GMT
Why exactly do you need to be 'butch' to be a male romantic lead? Are we not past all that. By butch, I meant not camp as Christmas…. Yikes. So camp people are not straight now? |
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Post by mrbarnaby on May 5, 2022 7:44:10 GMT
By butch, I meant not camp as Christmas…. Yikes. So camp people are not straight now? I haven’t worded it well. I didn’t believe for one minute he would be attracted to her in this show. And neither did the 2 people I saw it with, we all felt the same that it was bizarre casting. Perhaps it was that he also seemed so young compared to her. In the context of the show, it was not convincing he would fall in love with her. Maybe it’s more about the dreadful script and his acting ability. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on May 5, 2022 7:45:16 GMT
By butch, I meant not camp as Christmas…. Yikes. So camp people are not straight now? And also one of my best friends is very camp… and straight! |
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Post by singingbird on May 5, 2022 8:46:49 GMT
Yikes. So camp people are not straight now? I haven’t worded it well. I didn’t believe for one minute he would be attracted to her in this show. And neither did the 2 people I saw it with, we all felt the same that it was bizarre casting. Perhaps it was that he also seemed so young compared to her. In the context of the show, it was not convincing he would fall in love with her. Maybe it’s more about the dreadful script and his acting ability. I think the point is that they are literally the only two characters in the show who don't conform to the Belleville norm - so, of course, by the rules of this lazily written show, they must be destined for each other. Neither of them appears to have any other options available, and being happily single, even in this semi-revisionist version, is a taboo too far... |
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Post by LaLuPone on May 5, 2022 9:25:02 GMT
I agree with mrbarnaby 100%, Ivano was just not believable as straight. I much preferred Michael Hamway, he acted it better and fit much better alongside Carrie too, didn’t look like her much younger brother. |
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