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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 24, 2021 18:58:24 GMT
Just had email frommLW theatres. £79.50 prices reduced to £39.50 for December.
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Post by cezbear on Nov 24, 2021 19:25:02 GMT
Well, I hope his lordship at least was pleased/congratulated the cast members who won at the BBTAs on Sunday (Ivano, Caleb, Natasha though she won for Carousel not Cinderella).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 19:30:38 GMT
The book writer will tell the lyricist what the song should be about. The lyricist will then write the song lyrics. The lyrics to 'Beauty Has A Price' are terrible. Emerald Fennel didn't write the lyrics to 'Beauty Has A Price' She would have told him that the scene does this and this and should include these plot points. He chose to write an incoherent mess. [/div]
[/quote] Right, so it's the book writer's fault. Emerald explained the plot points and what the song should be about. It was her story.[/quote] So a lyricist just writes what the book writer tells them to? Do you believe that Emerald told him to write the lines "Make me like everyone else, only a lot better still Just like that goddess from Greece, You know, who launched all the ships" Or "A sexy blonde or brunette, someone that I've never met Let's go for way OTT, I wanna disappear me" Disappear me?? In no way shape or form is that a good lyric. Its not even good English. But i guess that's the book writers fault as well?
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 24, 2021 19:51:52 GMT
CHF is off posting crypic tweets again… As I have said many times before, the drama surrounding this show is exhausting. Even more sick of it now than I was before. this serves a multitude of purposes IMO Firstly it’s a passive aggressive dig at Andy It provides support to the cast for whatever ‘slight’ he has brought down on the ‘young’ cast it’s also a hideous example of ‘vague tweeting’ gathering sympathy and attention from those following this never ending saga and garnering support from the - ‘you ok hun’ ‘ dm me’ brigade. It’s also rather an obvious attempt to distance herself from his comments about the ‘young’ cast. By reminding us of her support of them it’s got to have been criticism of them not her? Either way unless this all ends up at some mass equity complaint/industrial tribunal I can see this will be the last time she’s employed by him. She was employed partly for her social media presence. Sure this isn’t what Andy had in mind. She’s also ‘liking’ lots of negative comments directed towards her boss. This feels like a tweet of someone who doesn’t care and maybe already on their way out? I also found it curious how she started an Instagram story earlier today with ‘I have news, it’s not that I’m quitting MT for good announcing it here would be weird’ (I’m paraphrasing) before going on to talk about grammys, her clothing range and her book. Reading too much into it?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 24, 2021 19:53:58 GMT
Having failed to finish listening to the cd, I tried watching some bootleg clips that have been posted to a well known video hosting site.
And I am even less impressed. The dialogue is clunky with the occasional funny line. The staging is pedestrian. The direction lacks focus.
Yes, I have only seen extended clips but enough to get a feel for things.
I don't think even Hal Prince could have knocked this into shape. The piece as a whole fails to provide an answer to the question 'Why do we need another Cinderella? '
And that is a big fail. It doesn't have the romance of the R&H version or the charm of The Slipper and the Rose. It feels like it wants to be an adult panto but lacks the courage to really go for it.
I know people have enjoyed it. At least one board member is deeply passionate about it. But I have seen and heard enough to decide that it would not be worth the energy or money necessary to travel to see it. I would probably even turn down a comp.
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Post by Jon on Nov 24, 2021 20:03:02 GMT
It’s not the best way to publicly to it though is it?! Young performers are the future of the industry, treating them like he has is not really appropriate in my view. He also a says “ I don’t have a right to have my musicals in the theatre” which is rich coming from the guy who owns a good chunk of theatres in the West End I think that ALW should think before he speaks, to describe theatre as a service industry is a bit insulting.
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Post by tom on Nov 24, 2021 20:30:29 GMT
Th fact that all of the comments below her posts are calling ALW a dickhead and she has kept it all up there is telling. Regardless of what he said, which in my opinion is fair enough, she needs to be a bit wiser and more professional. I hope she doesn't think she is bigger than she actually is.
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 24, 2021 20:41:33 GMT
Th fact that all of the comments below her posts are calling ALW a dickhead and she has kept it all up there is telling. Regardless of what he said, which in my opinion is fair enough, she needs to be a bit wiser and more professional. I hope she doesn't think she is bigger than she actually is. A quick flick through her Twitter likes since The Stage posted the piece will tell you that ship has sailed. While it seems ALW may not have been very diplomatic with the cast, is this really the best way to react via social media? Why not request a meeting? Get your agent/equity involved? This is just childish and unprofessional liking others vague and not so vague tweets. What other job title can you imagine going on social media shading the boss without professional repercussions? I would say it might be naive as she has never worked in an non theatre setting where this sort of stuff would not be tolerated. However coming from the media savvy influencer the likes and tweets would be very carefully considered. It’s seems to be the mark of someone who either thinks she’s untouchable or has nothing to lose at this point.
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Post by h86 on Nov 24, 2021 20:47:12 GMT
I don’t get why people are criticising CHF for being unprofessional for tweeting support for her cast mates and are then saying that ALW comments are fair.
I’m no CHF fan but she, just like every other performer in that show should not have to listen to the producer/creator publicly criticise them. Even if he is a musical theatre legend and mega producer.
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 24, 2021 20:57:23 GMT
I don’t get why people are criticising CHF for being unprofessional for tweeting support for her cast mates and are then saying that ALW comments are fair. I’m no CHF fan but she, just like every other performer in that show should not have to listen to the producer/creator publicly criticise them. Even if he is a musical theatre legend and mega producer. Not saying that she isn’t justified in any of her comments or that he is being fair (none of us know the full story) but maybe there are better ways to go about voicing opinions and disagreements in a more adult way. Venting passive aggressively via others tweets or your own isn’t it. No one knows the impact this type of drama between boss and ‘staff’ and ensuing negative vibe is creating in the industry and with audiences. It could turn audiences against going. No audience. No show. They’re all out of work.
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Post by stuartmcd on Nov 24, 2021 21:02:24 GMT
I don’t get why people are criticising CHF for being unprofessional for tweeting support for her cast mates and are then saying that ALW comments are fair. I’m no CHF fan but she, just like every other performer in that show should not have to listen to the producer/creator publicly criticise them. Even if he is a musical theatre legend and mega producer. Not saying that she isn’t justified in any of her comments or that he is being fair (none of us know the full story) but maybe there are better ways to go about voicing opinions and disagreements in a more adult way. Venting passive aggressively via others tweets or your own isn’t it. Same goes for ALW though as well. There are better ways for him to deal with any issues he may have with his cast rather than doing it so publicly like he is doing.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 24, 2021 21:04:03 GMT
I don’t get why people are criticising CHF for being unprofessional for tweeting support for her cast mates and are then saying that ALW comments are fair. I’m no CHF fan but she, just like every other performer in that show should not have to listen to the producer/creator publicly criticise them. Even if he is a musical theatre legend and mega producer. There are many things I don’t like or agree with about my employer. However I don’t go slagging them off on social media. That is called “biting the hand that feeds you”. She is not a free agent. She’s employed and with that comes responsibility.
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 24, 2021 21:06:11 GMT
Not saying that she isn’t justified in any of her comments or that he is being fair (none of us know the full story) but maybe there are better ways to go about voicing opinions and disagreements in a more adult way. Venting passive aggressively via others tweets or your own isn’t it. Same goes for ALW though as well. There are better ways for him to deal with any issues he may have with his cast rather than doing it so publicly like he is doing. Of course. It’s all very weird.
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Post by h86 on Nov 24, 2021 21:14:02 GMT
I don’t get why people are criticising CHF for being unprofessional for tweeting support for her cast mates and are then saying that ALW comments are fair. I’m no CHF fan but she, just like every other performer in that show should not have to listen to the producer/creator publicly criticise them. Even if he is a musical theatre legend and mega producer. There are many things I don’t like or agree with about my employer. However I don’t go slagging them off on social media. That is called “biting the hand that feeds you”. She is not a free agent. She’s employed and with that comes responsibility. I would not expect my employer to publicly shame me and my colleagues….works both ways
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Post by marob on Nov 24, 2021 21:22:47 GMT
You’ve gotta hand it to him though… In a week where some of the cast won Black British Theatre Awards, the cast album is nominated for a Grammy, and he hosts a charity gala performance that brought lots of gushing media attention, only he would then criticise the cast, highlight how expendable they all are, and threaten to sell his theatres. Again.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 24, 2021 21:30:22 GMT
There are many things I don’t like or agree with about my employer. However I don’t go slagging them off on social media. That is called “biting the hand that feeds you”. She is not a free agent. She’s employed and with that comes responsibility. I would not expect my employer to publicly shame me and my colleagues….works both ways It’s the same as your energy supplier publishing their customer satisfaction ratings. You’re doing badly (word of mouth is poor) our share price has dropped (we’ve had to reduce ticket prices) stop arguing with paying customers (stop preaching at your audience as if they’re not entitled to an opinion) Simple 🙂
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 24, 2021 21:39:26 GMT
I would say after CHF liking a slew of Andy bashing tweets and this latest tweet in particular it’s an open secret of what’s gone on and seems CHF has zero sh1ts to give Just how did it get to this stage?
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Post by robertb213 on Nov 24, 2021 21:44:28 GMT
Despite the drama, I'm looking to book for the £39.50 deal - for the very knowledgeable amongst you, would you recommend side stalls row O, central stalls row T, or central circle row C?
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Post by tom on Nov 24, 2021 21:48:44 GMT
Could it be that Andrew has moved on to the improved and "as he always envisioned it" Broadway version so he is throwing the London cast under the bus? Sorry but for me this musical has been a dud from the start so I won't miss it when it inevitably closes in the next few months.
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Post by Jon on Nov 24, 2021 21:50:19 GMT
You’ve gotta hand it to him though… In a week where some of the cast won Black British Theatre Awards, the cast album is nominated for a Grammy, and he hosts a charity gala performance that brought lots of gushing media attention, only he would then criticise the cast, highlight how expendable they all are, and threaten to sell his theatres. Again. He's threatened to sell his theatres so many times, it's so tedious.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 21:51:43 GMT
CHF is off posting crypic tweets again… As I have said many times before, the drama surrounding this show is exhausting. Even more sick of it now than I was before. I don’t think there’s anything cryptic about that. She is basically dissing her boss, the person we are led to believe hired her for Cinderella, a powerful producer and a legend of musical theatre. Good luck with the future career Carrie. No, she is standing up for her castmates and shouldn't be criticised for that. I am not a fan of her at all but she is right here. I'm astonished anyone is defending ALW's behaviour. Without all of these performers he wouldn't have a show. Just because they are a much lower rung of the ladder doesn't mean he gets to treat them like dirt. It's pathetic. And to say don't bite the hand that feeds you is also astonishing and perpetuates the problem - if people don't stand up for themselves nothing will ever change, and sometimes standing up for oneself publicly is absolutely necessary, especially when there is such a huge imbalance of power.
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 24, 2021 21:53:06 GMT
Could it be that Andrew has moved on to the improved and "as he always envisioned it" Broadway version so he is throwing the London cast under the bus? Sorry but for me this musical has been a dud from the start so I won't miss it when it inevitably closes in the next few months. There may be some mileage in this... Maybe a way to get the leading actress to jump first rather than have her contract terminated under her. Swimming pools cost a lot of money - ask Patti
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Post by Jon on Nov 24, 2021 21:53:56 GMT
TBH neither Carrie nor ALW are covering themselves in glory, they're using their particular outlets in the wrong way.
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Post by Oliver on Nov 24, 2021 21:53:57 GMT
Your complaint was about a plot point: the Fairy Godmother's warning to Cinderella to be home by midnight and there being no suitable pay-off for that in act 2. I was pointing out that this is in fact the fault of the book writer and not the lyricist. You are conflating one with the other. With regard to the lyrics above, I like these, especially "just like that goddess from Greece, you know, who launched all the ships". I especially like the casual throwaway "you know" which is most effective here. The last line is great, "disappear me", things don't always need to make literal sense or conform to strict grammatical rules. It's a case of when and how.
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Post by stagebyte on Nov 24, 2021 21:56:41 GMT
I don’t think there’s anything cryptic about that. She is basically dissing her boss, the person we are led to believe hired her for Cinderella, a powerful producer and a legend of musical theatre. Good luck with the future career Carrie. No, she is standing up for her castmates and shouldn't be criticised for that. I am not a fan of her at all but she is right here. I'm astonished anyone is defending ALW's behaviour. Without all of these performers he wouldn't have a show. Just because they are a much lower rung of the ladder doesn't mean he gets to treat them like dirt. It's pathetic. And to say don't bite the hand that feeds you is also astonishing and perpetuates the problem - if people don't stand up for themselves nothing will ever change, and sometimes standing up for oneself publicly is absolutely necessary, especially when there is such a huge imbalance of power. I don’t think anyone is defending him as such. It’s just such a sordid hanging out of washing on both sides which could be better resolved in house through official channnels: equity/agents/maybe a mediator. It can only damage reputations and the show. If the show closes Miss F has multiple sources of income to rely on - including the heavily hinted memoir to which this incident would be great fodder. To a lot of the cast this will be their bread and butter income. Warring words on social media solves nothing.
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