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Post by partytentdown on Jul 9, 2024 11:29:00 GMT
Well this is embarrassing.
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Post by musigamist on Jul 9, 2024 11:40:52 GMT
Objection! Leading the witness, Your Honor!
Talk about trying to get your desired survey responses, geez
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Post by ThereWillBeSun on Jul 9, 2024 11:41:40 GMT
It is all so cringe!!!!
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Post by khiar on Jul 9, 2024 13:09:09 GMT
It just comes off as desperate. If US producers think the show is too niche to succeed in New York, how is collecting responses (again) from their niche group of fans going to disprove that?
I wish the show the best, and if they do go to Broadway, I dearly hope they take the original cast with them. But this is all so awkward.
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Post by BVM on Jul 9, 2024 13:13:25 GMT
Honestly - why they can't just accept that Broadway is not a natural home for some (most actually) shows is beyond me. Broadway is like a ludicrous obsession for some UK producers - despite the fact that in the main it's presided over by a handful of very rich American producers. Yes it could buck the trend but Six and &Juliet are the exception, not the rule. And the latter is a jukebox anyway and has the back catalogue of Max Martin, one of the most famous pop producers on earth.
Grow the show here. Find a better and slightly bigger home. Think about the tour. Sort out the pricing (which I am indifferent to but seems to get the fans very upset). They should really concentrate on maxing out in the environment where it's doing well first.
Just my option, obvs.
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Post by ladidah on Jul 9, 2024 13:34:54 GMT
That is so cringey.
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Post by QueerTheatre on Jul 9, 2024 13:52:08 GMT
Honestly I think its fine. Yes its going to be biased data, but its more data than any other production has - and if someone wants to take it to New York - let them? It might flop, but it might not.
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Post by shownut on Jul 9, 2024 14:02:34 GMT
The fact that they think this show has a ghost of a chance on Broadway shows how little they know about the Bway market.
If they were serious, they would aim for an Off-Bway venue and see if they show gains traction. If nothing else, they might have a mild success Off-Bway but even then, I can't see this being the type of show that generates the need to play a Broadway house...MAYBE The Helen Hayes in terms of its small size but even that would be a stretch.
The show is extremely British in just about every way and I can't see Broadway theatregoers giving a damn about it. It's just not that good.
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Post by ceebee on Jul 9, 2024 14:38:50 GMT
Surely with all this nonsense they're just conducting an ironic deception operation.
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Post by craigbowker on Jul 9, 2024 14:46:39 GMT
Am I the only one who doesn't find the surveys cringe at all?
It is producers sending them, obviously working with other producers who want more hard data. The process being used to also work as marketing is clever. It's not desperation, they could have easily gotten the data quietly. They want to drum up more attention, get people talking. It's unique, it's DIFFERENT. Theatre production houses, and particular theatre marketing are SO STALE these days. Idk, I just like that it's different and participatory.
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Post by amyja89 on Jul 9, 2024 14:52:51 GMT
I think it's the vibe of the survey that is off putting, clearly learning towards them wanting participants to opt for the 'we want Broadway stars' option. That's how I see it, anyway. For what it's worth, I thought the show was just fine, and I can't imagine it being successful on Broadway no matter who they put in it.
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Post by partytentdown on Jul 9, 2024 15:00:43 GMT
A huge amount of research goes into theatre shows, transfers etc, but it's usually 'behind closed doors' in focus groups or large scale surveys etc that sample different representative groups to get balanced opinions. Emailing a fan database with a highly leading questionnaire isn't research, it's clearly either a rubbish way of trying to generate buzz for a Broadway transfer or a really misjudged attempt to get some supportive sound bites to persuade an investor/theatre owner to take the plunge.
BUT I think this is having a weird opposite effect on people. It's planting a seed of doubt that it WON'T work on Broadway and encouraging that discussion to play out here and elsewhere. They clearly have eyes on a transfer, maybe it's even already confirmed and they just want to build buzz, but these repeated surveys are basically just reminding people of the reasons why it MIGHT NOT work.
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Post by Courfeyrac on Jul 9, 2024 15:25:01 GMT
It's a poorly designed survey for sure in terms of how options for answers are phrased. I mean, when you have a question that asks "*Alert!* The Principal Cast can’t go on, the Covers (or Swings) are stepping in! Do you like seeing Covers perform?", with a likert scale from "No, I'm a purist" through "Sometimes!" to "I love seeing covers!" - that rubs me the wrong way. Especially in the last few years, so many shows would have been cancelled without covers. I absolutely love checking the cast boards before performances, and I think phrasing the "No" option as the one for "purists" is incredibly off-putting.
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Post by ladidah on Jul 10, 2024 7:58:30 GMT
It's a fact that performers will sometimes be off - no point pretending it doesn't happen.
Better someone is off when they are ill, rather than damaging their voice, or making everyone else ill.
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Post by anthony on Jul 10, 2024 10:40:43 GMT
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Post by MoreLife on Jul 10, 2024 12:12:02 GMT
It's a poorly designed survey for sure in terms of how options for answers are phrased. I mean, when you have a question that asks "*Alert!* The Principal Cast can’t go on, the Covers (or Swings) are stepping in! Do you like seeing Covers perform?", with a likert scale from "No, I'm a purist" through "Sometimes!" to "I love seeing covers!" - that rubs me the wrong way. Especially in the last few years, so many shows would have been cancelled without covers. I absolutely love checking the cast boards before performances, and I think phrasing the "No" option as the one for "purists" is incredibly off-putting. I have read the survey and I find that it's filled with leading questions. This one is definitely one of them, and what makes it worse is it does not allow for a more nuanced answer (as many surveys are prone to). Definitely I'm in the "grateful that understudies/swings exist and can go on and make sure a show can go on" camp, but I'd be lying if I said that if I got only one shot at seeing a certain production (say, on Broadway, where ticket prices are higher etc.) I wouldn't be a bit disappointed to miss out on the performance of a lead that later goes on to be nominated for a Tony, etc. On the other hand, if I get the chance to see a show more than once because a) it's on near where I live and b) I get access to more reasonably priced tickets, then bring on an understudy run so I can see different takes on a same role, etc. On the whole this umpteenth attempt by the producers to "test the waters" feels more and more like a poor idea. The fact that they even think that they need to run this idea past people who are already fans of the show tells you that they're absolutely not confident that a Broadway transfer is the best idea... and they're seeking validation and approval from people who are already their adoring audience, so what exactly do they think they can prove with the "data" they're collecting?
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Post by anthony on Jul 10, 2024 16:12:22 GMT
Link still works oddly enough, despite it expiring at 12:25! No one has used it yet it says.
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Post by sfsusan on Jul 13, 2024 20:31:41 GMT
Is there someplace online to get a cast list for today's matinee? I forgot to get one at the theater and want to confirm who I saw. (Mainly, I want to confirm the actor who played Hester and the one who played Montagu.) Thanks.
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Post by a on Jul 13, 2024 22:19:53 GMT
Is there someplace online to get a cast list for today's matinee? I forgot to get one at the theater and want to confirm who I saw. (Mainly, I want to confirm the actor who played Hester and the one who played Montagu.) Thanks. Today you had Monty - Emily Barber Charles - Seán Carey Bevan - Chlöe Hart Hester - Christian Andrews Jean - Holly Sumpton First 4 are principles and the actress playing Jean is a swing
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Post by sfsusan on Jul 20, 2024 7:45:59 GMT
Is there someplace online to get a cast list for today's matinee? I forgot to get one at the theater and want to confirm who I saw. (Mainly, I want to confirm the actor who played Hester and the one who played Montagu.) Thanks. Today you had Monty - Emily Barber Charles - Seán Carey Bevan - Chlöe Hart Hester - Christian Andrews Jean - Holly Sumpton First 4 are principles and the actress playing Jean is a swing Thank you! I'm going back today (and bringing four friends who haven't seen it), so it will be interesting to compare.
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Post by zephyrus on Jul 21, 2024 8:46:15 GMT
I'm so amused by this latest questionnaire - I took a look at it, out of curiosity. As a disclaimer, I should say that I have seen OM twice. I didn't care for it the first time but figured I was missing something given the love that everyone else has for it... but on second viewing, it still left me cold. So, no, I'm very much not a fan of it.
I remain baffled by the idea that anyone would think this would work on Broadway, and I don't understand why the producers think it stands a chance in that notoriously difficult environment. The costs of putting even a 'small' show like this on Broadway are astronomical, and it seems crazy to me that any producers would think that OM has got anything like the kind of appeal it would need to attract a New York audience and avoid closing after a week. I've seen dozens of shows on Broadway over the past 3 decades, so I have a bit of an idea of what Broadway is like. As others have said, they should do it somewhere like New World Stages and see if there's an audience for it first.
It will be interesting to see if the producers go ahead anyway - someone should make a documentary about their journey to Broadway and I guarantee I'd find that way more entertaining than the show itself.
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Post by anthony on Jul 21, 2024 10:01:26 GMT
Saw again yesterday. Had Holly on for Ewan and Jonty Peach on for Hester.
Both were great, but it's interesting how much Holly's Montagu has changed. I wonder if previously she was just trying to emulate Natasha's Montagu but now she's decided to play it as her own? The "manly" voice has gone and Montagu is much more camp. It's hard to explain, but the OTT caricature is gone - which is a bit of a shame, to be honest? I felt it took a lot of the humour away. Of course, she was still wonderful.
Jonty Peach though is phenomenal, right? Actually out of this world good. The subtleties in his Hester were wonderful. I've seen Sean, Christian and Jak as Hester before and I actually think Jonty might be the best yet? Just wonderful.
Have to say, though, that it all felt slightly flatter than usual? The singing particularly seemed off (It's almost as if their voices didn't "gel" together? I can't explain, but several people around me made similar comments at the interval). Perhaps it was more of a sound issue than an actor issue, though.
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Post by sfsusan on Jul 21, 2024 17:20:18 GMT
Saw again yesterday. Had Holly on for Ewan and Jonty Peach on for Hester. I don't suppose you know the other roles, particularly who played Jean? I remembered to look for a cast list but didn't find one. (Thx)
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Post by anthony on Jul 21, 2024 17:33:30 GMT
Saw again yesterday. Had Holly on for Ewan and Jonty Peach on for Hester. I don't suppose you know the other roles, particularly who played Jean? I remembered to look for a cast list but didn't find one. (Thx) Rest were principal (this was the matinee) Holly Sumpton (u/s Montagu) Sean Carey (Cholmondeley) Chloe Hart (Bevan) Jonty Peach (u/s Hester) Claire-Marie Hall (Jean)
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Post by khiar on Jul 22, 2024 9:18:24 GMT
Jonty's Dear Bill is simply wonderful. I was a huge, huge fan of Jak's rendition, but the conversational tone of Jonty's made it feel very fresh and authentic - like hearing it for the first time again. I could really feel that Hester was searching for the right words as she was composing the letter.
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