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Post by theatreian on Feb 3, 2020 18:04:35 GMT
It seems that Madonna is doing the limited setlist on day 2 of doing 2 concerts back to back and the full setlist on day one. A shame for those on day 2 of the concerts . This cutting out a quarter of the setlist with the other song already out shows that she is not fit to do the shows so the only fair thing is to reschedule rather than just doing part of the show. I doubt those seeing the reduced show will be refunded 25% of their ticket price.
I have no issue with shows being cancelled , just be consistent do one setlist. If you are not able to do that for all shows cancel the rest.
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Post by clair on Feb 3, 2020 18:40:38 GMT
Speaking for myself I'd rather have the reduced Setlist than a cancellation as the night I have tickets is a second night. Have seen every U.K. tour so far and would hate to miss one now!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 3, 2020 19:17:58 GMT
It seems that Madonna is doing the limited setlist on day 2 of doing 2 concerts back to back and the full setlist on day one. A shame for those on day 2 of the concerts . This cutting out a quarter of the setlist with the other song already out shows that she is not fit to do the shows so the only fair thing is to reschedule rather than just doing part of the show. I doubt those seeing the reduced show will be refunded 25% of their ticket price. I have no issue with shows being cancelled , just be consistent do one setlist. If you are not able to do that for all shows cancel the rest. This. People can rationalise their way out of Madonna being totally disrespectful to her ticket buying public as much as they want but this idea of throwing scraps of the full performance to an adoring and accepting public is a disgrace. After being a fan for 25 years I’m actually starting to dislike her. A lot. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 3, 2020 19:20:42 GMT
Speaking for myself I'd rather have the reduced Setlist than a cancellation as the night I have tickets is a second night. Have seen every U.K. tour so far and would hate to miss one now! Understandable but a pretty poor state of affairs when you’re happy to accept a massively curtailed show rather than a cancellation. shes had health issues for weeks. The whole tour should be cancelled. There is absolutely nothing noble or brave about what she is doing here. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 20:13:16 GMT
You accept she has an injury but you criticise her for cancelling. You call her out for cutting part of her show that in doing so, allows her not to cancel. She can’t win - even rescheduling the tour disappoints people.
Many artists change their set lists night to night on tour. Someone like Tori Amos mixes it up that often you just know you aren’t getting the same show twice. Even with the cut songs Madonna’s show still lasts 1 hour and 50 minutes. Plenty of people only do a 90 minute show - look at Cher last year.
Is it disappointing knowing other people are getting a long show? Sure. I’m still hoping I get the full show. But at least let’s see what she delivers and establish if the show works without the first act. We all know if she could do the full thing she would.
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Post by theatreian on Feb 3, 2020 22:26:38 GMT
I am not criticising her for cancelling. I am saying that she should cancel. I said in an earlier post that any real fan would surely not want their star to undergo pain for mere entertainment. As she states she is having 6 hours of treatment on show days , this surely to anyone with a brain says she should not be doing the show. It is a show, she is not performing life saving surgery. It should be cancelled, rescheduled, whatever.I would have more respect for her if she was honest and showed some weakness and admitted defeat. There is no shame in cancelling for a genuine injury.
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Post by clair on Feb 3, 2020 23:38:46 GMT
Whilst I would, of course, be fully supportive if Madonna cancelled - her health must come first, rather more important than my wish to see the show - I do wonder whether doing the shows that she still has scheduled isn't just as important to her health. All the focus thus far has been on her physical health which is clearly a struggle for her but her mental health matters too. For someone like Madonna who is driven by performance it could be a real problem to cancel all the shows from that perspective. Performers loathe cancelling (well, most do anyway!) as they feel they've let fans down as well as themselves so this could be her way of getting through on both levels - who knows.
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Post by dazzerlump on Feb 4, 2020 9:06:28 GMT
It seems that Madonna is doing the limited setlist on day 2 of doing 2 concerts back to back and the full setlist on day one. A shame for those on day 2 of the concerts . This cutting out a quarter of the setlist with the other song already out shows that she is not fit to do the shows so the only fair thing is to reschedule rather than just doing part of the show. I doubt those seeing the reduced show will be refunded 25% of their ticket price. I have no issue with shows being cancelled , just be consistent do one setlist. If you are not able to do that for all shows cancel the rest. This. People can rationalise their way out of Madonna being totally disrespectful to her ticket buying public as much as they want but this idea of throwing scraps of the full performance to an adoring and accepting public is a disgrace. After being a fan for 25 years I’m actually starting to dislike her. A lot. wow I'm so glad I sold my tickets for Thursday 6th now. I would have been fuming to find out I received an abridged version of the show. I would much prefer her to do the full show and sit or stand rather than attempt dance moves if she's injured. The show has dancers and would be a spectacle regardless of whether or not Madonna completes all the choreography.
I've always wanted to see her perform and was determined I would go this time but the whole tour to this point has put me off ever trying to get tickets again.
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Post by horton on Feb 4, 2020 9:56:37 GMT
Has anyone here seen the abridged show? Did you feel short-changed?
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Post by danb on Feb 4, 2020 17:47:36 GMT
Whilst I would, of course, be fully supportive if Madonna cancelled - her health must come first, rather more important than my wish to see the show - I do wonder whether doing the shows that she still has scheduled isn't just as important to her health. All the focus thus far has been on her physical health which is clearly a struggle for her but her mental health matters too. For someone like Madonna who is driven by performance it could be a real problem to cancel all the shows from that perspective. Performers loathe cancelling (well, most do anyway!) as they feel they've let fans down as well as themselves so this could be her way of getting through on both levels - who knows. I’m sure Madonna’s mental health is just fine, and if not she can afford to have someone sculpt it back into shape. Be as woke as you like, but Madonna’s mental resilience is not something that I have ever worried about. |
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Post by theatreian on Feb 4, 2020 18:01:40 GMT
I am going on Sunday so may get the shortened version as she is on Saturday too.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 4, 2020 20:20:32 GMT
The show was already very 'light' on hits and back catalogue to begin with. The fact she's dumped Human Nature and Express Yourself along with the only 2 decent songs from the latest mess of an album would annoy the hell out of me if I'd paid that much to see her.
There's no reason they couldn't have re-choreographed them and moved the section elsewhere in the set if she wanted to open with Vogue.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 4, 2020 20:21:24 GMT
Whilst I would, of course, be fully supportive if Madonna cancelled - her health must come first, rather more important than my wish to see the show - I do wonder whether doing the shows that she still has scheduled isn't just as important to her health. All the focus thus far has been on her physical health which is clearly a struggle for her but her mental health matters too. For someone like Madonna who is driven by performance it could be a real problem to cancel all the shows from that perspective. Performers loathe cancelling (well, most do anyway!) as they feel they've let fans down as well as themselves so this could be her way of getting through on both levels - who knows. I’m sure Madonna’s mental health is just fine, and if not she can afford to have someone to sculpt it back into the right shape. Be as woke as you like, but Madonna’s mental resilience is not something that I have ever worried about. Seriously, I'm sure she can afford a therapist to help her get through such troubling mental health issues... |
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Post by jamb0r on Feb 4, 2020 21:22:28 GMT
Was supposed to be there tonight. I've bought a lovely new jacket with the (impending) refund.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 0:12:44 GMT
If she is having clear physical issues doing parts of the show. Could she not just stand or even sit there and sing the songs. We've had people with bad backs and when they have injured a foot or leg doing songs seated or just stood there.
The dancers could perform around her to still give the show it's visual spectacle.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 7:58:50 GMT
I was there last night and what an eventful evening. We got the full show which I’m very thankful for. She sang Don’t Cry For Me Argentina then told us ALW was in attendance and it was just for him.
During the last few songs she became aware she was running out of time and kept telling her band to go into the next song as soon as one was ending. At the end of the penultimate song she kept shouting she had one more song to do... but the Palladium just closed the curtain!
Then there was a lot of swearing from Madonna (mic still on) about censorship. She was not happy. The curtains opened again and her visuals started for the last song and my guess is her team did this as the curtains closed again, the lights went up and her mic was turned off... so Madonna and her dancers came in front of the curtain and kept performing whilst her team clearly tried to get things turned back on backstage, as her mic did eventually come back on half way through the song.
It sounds all very dramatic, but it was a moment of genius too. The mask really fell, she was really angry yet it created something that felt really pure, spontaneous and unique: it was the perfect ending to what is ultimately an imperfect show.
I should also add the curfew is 11.15pm and they turned her off at 11.10pm. She had time to finish her last song. I’m quite surprised they did that with ALW in attendance too.
The show itself has a bit of an identity crisis in that it isn’t quite sure what it wants to be. I think Madonna wanted it to be a theatre show but there’s no narrative and it’s very disjointed (even her arena shows are usually about moving from darkness into light). If I had to categorise it the show is basically a theatre dance show, so it makes no sense putting Madonna on a stool to get through each song. To her credit if you didn’t know she was injured the injury is basically invisible... though her legs have lost all muscularity. Honestly, I’ve never seen her legs look so thin.
But it’s very clear her audience wants a concert and not a theatre show. Madonna does her best to walk the line between the two and there’s some moments of pure artistry and some clearly just for the fans to enjoy... but the show would benefit from being one or the other.
I’m really glad I saw it as I think it’s her biggest artistic statement since Confessions Tour, just not necessarily her best show. I don’t begrudge the price at all - I was incredibly close - but I think the best seats are probably the dress circle: Madonna might be the star of the show, but you would get more of out it seeing it as a whole.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 6, 2020 9:29:13 GMT
I should also add the curfew is 11.15pm and they turned her off at 11.10pm. She had time to finish her last song. I’m quite surprised they did that with ALW in attendance too. Maybe he instructed it. Maybe Andy was stood in the wings tapping the face of his watch and mouthing at her “oi! Curfew!” it would have been the long pole with a hook on the end next... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 9:33:02 GMT
He probably spent all night waiting for Holiday then realised it wasn’t happening!
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 6, 2020 10:29:51 GMT
Was at the same show last night. Madonna, A cappella with "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" to Andrew Lloyd Webber in his own theatre... c'mon, I'd have pretty much paid what I paid for that ticket and said "take more if you need it."
Anyway, for me the show was utterly, utterly stunning and brilliant in every single respect. Madge looked 20 years younger than she is, those knee supports vanished half way through the show and by my watch she was on at 9.05, off 11.15, pretty much non-stop. AND she did a bit of "La Isla Bonita" my favourite.
Amazing too, what a no-phone thing does for the atmosphere. The bars before the show were noisy as people actually talked to each other. Once inside, my corner of the stalls (row O - perfect view) became "party central" as everyone was chatting to one another, swapping concert memories* and then dancing with each other as the show went on.
Delighted it was the full show. One of the party crowd had seen it on Sunday (cut show) and admitted the full one was way better - there is quite a bit you would miss and I don't think the show would have had the same meaning if the opening sequence wasn't there, nor a great bit with a piano.
*I scared the cr*p out of the 30-somethings next to me, telling them we had to get in line at Wembley Stadium at 3.30am to buy tickets for "Who's That Girl" in 1987. No web or easy phone booking back then, LOL.
They should bring the phone thing in everywhere... Though she didn't invent it, they've been doing it at comedy shows in the US for years x |
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 6, 2020 10:55:49 GMT
Totally agree on the phones. I know it isn't a new thing, it started in Japan, I think? As she said from the stage last night, "isn't it great seeing the show not on your phone" or words to that effect - and got a cheer from the older ones in particular. I actually can't remember a single concert I have been to in the past 5 years that wasn't ruined by some arse in front of me with a phone. The worst was the PSB at the Opera House, I literally just gave up and left. The biggest joke was, the show was being professionally filmed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 11:45:31 GMT
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 6, 2020 11:54:11 GMT
So she just happened to have one of her people on hand to film the moment...how convenient...it's almost like it was planned or something...
The knee certainly looks fine...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 6, 2020 12:36:29 GMT
If the curfew is 11pm it’s 11pm. Get back in your box dear, and try getting on stage on time.
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Post by intoanewlife on Feb 6, 2020 12:45:36 GMT
If the curfew is 11pm it’s 11pm. Get back in your box dear, and try getting on stage on time. This x |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 12:46:39 GMT
So she just happened to have one of her people on hand to film the moment...how convenient...it's almost like it was planned or something... The knee certainly looks fine... If you bothered to check her Instagram, instead of you know, hating on her constantly for some unknown reason (or in other words, trolling), you’d actually see her team has recorded and posted a lot of her show online already. I fully expect Don’t Cry For Me Argentina to be posted too. That being said, she knew there was a curfew and a chance she could get cut short - so why wouldn’t her team take advantage of a situation and capture it? Presumably Madonna had already said what she would do if it actually happened across any of the dates. The knee does look fine, yes, but she has all of her muscle mass. Her ‘big fat Italian thighs’ have vanished because clearly she isn’t able to exercise or do anything too strenuous. The show itself if very clever in its choreography and doesn’t appear to be too taxing at the moment for Madonna, but if you’ve seen her previously you’d know she’s not dancing to the best of her ability. |
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