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Post by joem on Feb 20, 2024 19:18:57 GMT
Cash is best for small transactions. I found it disgusting to witness at the Park Theatre a bar tender throw away a just poured gin and tonic because the lady who ordered it only had cash to pay. And then theatres are always asking for money???
As for BA telling us on every flight that their flights are cashless and then going on to ask for spare change for their "Change for Good" charity. How they hell do they think people are going to have spare change if they're not allowed to use cash?
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Post by mkb on Feb 20, 2024 19:43:58 GMT
No it hasn't, the Keep Cash Campaign is on a channel with few viewers. You are wrong, use of cash HAS been increasing recently. In 2023 use of cash increased for the first time in a decade up to 19% of all transactions from 15% in 2021. This was quite widely reported. On what did you base your claim that it hasn't been increasing ? Comparing anything against a base that was during the pandemic years (2020 and 2021), when behaviour was quite different, probably doesn't tell us very much. For cash usage, I'd expect the long-term trend to still be declining in spite of (or maybe accelerated by?) campaigns by right-wing media. I'd never heard of the specific campaign before reading about it here, despite being well-read on current affairs. Cash will eventually be practically extinct, rather like public payphones, possibly faster than you might expect. The pro-cash campaigners could spend their energies more usefully lobbying for better regulation of the percentage rates and minimum transaction fees charged by the card industry, especially for small traders, and also guaranteeing some sort of card access to all adults as a right.
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Feb 20, 2024 20:06:49 GMT
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Post by benj on Feb 20, 2024 20:06:49 GMT
I will actively avoid any business that accepts cash only. I rarely have any cash with me and prefer to use ApplePay on my phone or watch. It’s faster, more secure and I can easily keep a track of spending via the banking app. I would barely notice if we stopped using cash entirely, which will obviously happen at some point in the future. The question is, when?
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Post by hannechalk on Feb 20, 2024 20:38:28 GMT
After bills, I have switched to paying about 75% in cash and 25% by card for the rest of my spending.
It's not a moral thing or anything like that - I just find it easier to budget with cash.
With my card I just go tap tap tap, and don't realise until the end of the day how much I've spent.
At the start of the month, I'll calculate how much spending money I have left, withdraw about 75% in cash, and split it in five weekly pots - I can immediately see if I'm running low for the week. I don't carry the other weeks with me, so I can't dip into it early. There is something satisfying about balancing it all at the end of the day, and being very aware of what I've spent and still have left.
Chatting to cashiers, business owners and other people preferring to pay by cash, paying by cash is on the increase compared to last year, and it is mostly used because of easier budgeting.
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Post by theatrefan62 on Feb 20, 2024 20:49:30 GMT
I've always found budgeting so much easier with cash, especially the weekly shop. But since covid (and the drop in local cash machines) I'm mostly card based. And I definitely spend more as a result.
The queues for the cash self service check outs in my local supermarkets are getting longer, and I've noticed more local companies (e.g hairdressers) have gone cash only which surprised me. In a cost of living crisis I guess it shouldn't be a surprise, having the tangible cash on your hand forces you more to think about spending it.
I also think the rising costs of taking card payments plays into smaller businesses going cash only.
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Feb 20, 2024 21:36:57 GMT
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Post by Jon on Feb 20, 2024 21:36:57 GMT
I think businesses going cash only is risky as it makes them targets for robberies
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 20, 2024 22:20:19 GMT
A lot of local barbers and chip shops seem have a strong preference for cash. Probably the only places I regularly use cash.
But I do understand why they do prefer it.
I also take a reasonable quantity of Euros when holidaying in France. You don't see many people paying with cards in boulangeries when buying the daily bread.
There is also still a significant number of people using cheques in many supermarkets in France. I can't remember the last time I saw a cheque book in the UK. But most checkouts in Leclerc or SuperU have someone paying by cheque when I visit.
I would be very sad to see cash eliminated. Coins and notes are a big part of our culture and heritage.
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Feb 20, 2024 23:41:27 GMT
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Post by theatrelover97 on Feb 20, 2024 23:41:27 GMT
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Feb 21, 2024 1:12:12 GMT
Post by Jon on Feb 21, 2024 1:12:12 GMT
No Government is going to force businesses to accept cash, if you do that then you have to force businesses who are cash only to accept cards to balance things out. Also people using cash only must still banks/post offices and debit cards otherwise how do they get their cash? The pro-cash campaigners could spend their energies more usefully lobbying for better regulation of the percentage rates and minimum transaction fees charged by the card industry, especially for small traders, and also guaranteeing some sort of card access to all adults as a right. I agree although I wonder what should be the minimum because not all businesses are treated equal so 0.5% to a luxury business is not the same as a small business. There is a lot of fear mongering from certain media outlets. Cash is not going to be phased out anytime soon.
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Post by sph on Feb 21, 2024 3:00:05 GMT
I don't think cash is really going to disappear completely, there are just going to be less businesses that accept it. A cash-only business is probably also not declaring all of their income.
I find right-wing media stations to be a little disingenuous in their support for keeping cash though, clearly just pandering to their core demographic who desperately want to keep things like the "good old days". They'll be campaigning for gaslights next.
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Feb 21, 2024 6:07:26 GMT
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Post by theatrefan62 on Feb 21, 2024 6:07:26 GMT
I don't think cash is really going to disappear completely, there are just going to be less businesses that accept it. A cash-only business is probably also not declaring all of their income. I find right-wing media stations to be a little disingenuous in their support for keeping cash though, clearly just pandering to their core demographic who desperately want to keep things like the "good old days". They'll be campaigning for gaslights next. The casual ageism on this board never fails. Can't think of any other demographic that people so happily belittle and patronise on here. As has been said many people know the benefits of cash when it comes to budgeting. People also like something tangible, this is especially true when computer systems fail (as they do). Whether it be businesses systems to take the money digitally, or when banks systems crash. Being 100% reliant on banks or even worse, big tech, to have complete control of access to your money makes you just as vulnerable as keeping all your cash in the house. Then you also have system updates potential for failure. Just look at the post office scandal, and im sure many of us have worked places when new systems have been brought in that arent fit for purpose. Acting like tech is this perfect superior replacement for cash is a bit naive. People wanting a choice and to have some control and security over their money does not make them hankering over the good old days. As for cash causing increased chances of businesses being robbed, considering cash has been the norm for decades I don't see how the risk has increased.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2024 6:24:59 GMT
The argument that cash use is increasing as a sign that people prefer it / moving back to cash is false. Of course cash use has gone up (for the first time in 10 years) as we are comparing it to a time where the vulnerable where told not to leave their house, when businesses where encouraged to use contactless to avoid handling cash and possibly spread covid.
In reality cash use has dropped from over 50% to 10% in 20 years and expected to be close to 5% in the next 5-6 years.
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Feb 21, 2024 6:27:00 GMT
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Post by mkb on Feb 21, 2024 6:27:00 GMT
As someone normally sensitive to casual ageism, I can't say I have detected any in this thread. Plenty of older people embrace change and new technology when there are clear benefits.
As for the risks of electronic payments, the test should not be "is it risk-free?", but rather "is it safer than cash?", and, if it's not, are any additional benefits worth the increased risk?
In my own experience, I have several times in my life lost cash or had it stolen. I've had a few attempts to wrongly debit my card accounts, but all were quickly resolved. I have also had the ability to force a refund on many occasions when goods/services were substandard from uncooperative retailers, something that would have been impossible with a cash payment.
I have also made thousands of pounds worth of purchases in foreign currencies at almost the spot (interbank) exchange rate. Getting foreign cash would have cost me 3-5% of the purchase price.
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Feb 21, 2024 7:13:11 GMT
Post by Jan on Feb 21, 2024 7:13:11 GMT
The argument that cash use is increasing as a sign that people prefer it / moving back to cash is false. Of course cash use has gone up (for the first time in 10 years) as we are comparing it to a time where the vulnerable where told not to leave their house, when businesses where encouraged to use contactless to avoid handling cash and possibly spread covid. No the argument isn't false, your comments prove the exact opposite. People used more contactless during Covid and now Covid has passed they are preferring to move back to cash instead. There's no "of course cash use has gone up" about it, having managed without cash during Covid why did they move back to it ?
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Feb 21, 2024 7:28:26 GMT
Post by Jan on Feb 21, 2024 7:28:26 GMT
I find right-wing media stations to be a little disingenuous in their support for keeping cash though, clearly just pandering to their core demographic who desperately want to keep things like the "good old days". That is just lazy somewhat ageist left-wing stereotyping - have you actually watched GB News and seen what arguments they are putting forward ? Their core audience is older than some other stations but the fact the charity Age UK are also campaigning for cash to be retained should indicate to you that maybe there are some valid reasons that older people want to retain cash. Actually there's also seems to be a hint of conspiracy theory about it too - the demonstrators I saw were also campaigning against plans for a government-backed digital pound.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2024 7:42:37 GMT
The argument that cash use is increasing as a sign that people prefer it / moving back to cash is false. Of course cash use has gone up (for the first time in 10 years) as we are comparing it to a time where the vulnerable where told not to leave their house, when businesses where encouraged to use contactless to avoid handling cash and possibly spread covid. No the argument isn't false, your comments prove the exact opposite. People used more contactless during Covid and now Covid has passed they are preferring to move back to cash instead. There's no "of course cash use has gone up" about it, having managed without cash during Covid why did they move back to it ? Yes the argument is false - there are so many places that people could use cash that didn't accept it or were not even open during large parts of covid. These places opening back up means that more cash is being used as more places are around that can accept cash. It was that people were prevented from using it - it doesn't instantly mean that people are shifting back towards cash as a preference - with financial experts still predicting a continuing decline in its use.
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Feb 21, 2024 9:03:37 GMT
Post by hannechalk on Feb 21, 2024 9:03:37 GMT
No the argument isn't false, your comments prove the exact opposite. People used more contactless during Covid and now Covid has passed they are preferring to move back to cash instead. There's no "of course cash use has gone up" about it, having managed without cash during Covid why did they move back to it ? Yes the argument is false - there are so many places that people could use cash that didn't accept it or were not even open during large parts of covid. These places opening back up means that more cash is being used as more places are around that can accept cash. It was that people were prevented from using it - it doesn't instantly mean that people are shifting back towards cash as a preference - with financial experts still predicting a continuing decline in its use. I think it will be interesting to see the exact demographics for increase/decrease of cash use. I divide my time between Liverpool and Weston-super-Mare, and personally I see an increase in cash use in both places. The number of 'cash tills' equal the number of 'card only' in the supermarkets I go to, and the 'cash tills' are always busy, sometimes even having to wait till one becomes available. Overall cash may be decreasing, but I'msure in certain regions it might be on the up. This article from December states that cash use is definitely increasing nationally, but it makes up 'only' 20% of total spending. news.sky.com/story/cash-use-grows-for-first-time-in-10-years-as-people-pay-closer-attention-to-household-budgets-13024643#:~:text=Coins%20and%20banknotes%20accounted%20for,to%20better%20manage%20their%20money.&text=Cash%20usage%20has%20grown%20for,cost%2Dof%2Dliving%20squeeze. news.sky.com/story/cash-use-grows-for-first-time-in-10-years-as-people-pay-closer-attention-to-household-budgets-13024643#:~:text=Coins%20and%20banknotes%20accounted%20for,to%20better%20manage%20their%20money.&text=Cash%20usage%20has%20grown%20for,cost%2Dof%2Dliving%20squeeze.
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Post by mrnutz on Feb 21, 2024 9:45:16 GMT
I would be very sad to see cash eliminated. Coins and notes are a big part of our culture and heritage. So's slavery but luckily that doesn't exist now either.
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Feb 21, 2024 9:55:17 GMT
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Post by theatrelover97 on Feb 21, 2024 9:55:17 GMT
No the argument isn't false, your comments prove the exact opposite. People used more contactless during Covid and now Covid has passed they are preferring to move back to cash instead. There's no "of course cash use has gone up" about it, having managed without cash during Covid why did they move back to it ? Yes the argument is false - there are so many places that people could use cash that didn't accept it or were not even open during large parts of covid. These places opening back up means that more cash is being used as more places are around that can accept cash. It was that people were prevented from using it - it doesn't instantly mean that people are shifting back towards cash as a preference - with financial experts still predicting a continuing decline in its use. Supermarkets were open and accepting cash during Covid and yet all evidence shows cash usage has increased at them during 2022 and 2023.
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Feb 21, 2024 9:59:22 GMT
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Post by theatrelover97 on Feb 21, 2024 9:59:22 GMT
No Government is going to force businesses to accept cash, if you do that then you have to force businesses who are cash only to accept cards to balance things out. Also people using cash only must still banks/post offices and debit cards otherwise how do they get their cash? The pro-cash campaigners could spend their energies more usefully lobbying for better regulation of the percentage rates and minimum transaction fees charged by the card industry, especially for small traders, and 9also guaranteeing some sort of card access to all adults as a right. I agree although I wonder what should be the minimum because not all businesses are treated equal so 0.5% to a luxury business is not the same as a small business. There is a lot of fear mongering from certain media outlets. Cash is not going to be phased out anytime soon. Spain and Poland both have laws mandating cash acceptance at many bussiness and Ireland is introducing such a rule for supermarkets, convenience stores and pharmacies. All public bodies have to accept cash as well.
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Feb 21, 2024 15:20:21 GMT
Post by Jon on Feb 21, 2024 15:20:21 GMT
As someone normally sensitive to casual ageism, I can't say I have detected any in this thread. Plenty of older people embrace change and new technology when there are clear benefits. As for the risks of electronic payments, the test should not be "is it risk-free?", but rather "is it safer than cash?", and, if it's not, are any additional benefits worth the increased risk? In my own experience, I have several times in my life lost cash or had it stolen. I've had a few attempts to wrongly debit my card accounts, but all were quickly resolved. I have also had the ability to force a refund on many occasions when goods/services were substandard from uncooperative retailers, something that would have been impossible with a cash payment. I have also made thousands of pounds worth of purchases in foreign currencies at almost the spot (interbank) exchange rate. Getting foreign cash would have cost me 3-5% of the purchase price. Both card and cash have risks attached. Anyone carrying wads of cash around with them is an easy target for pickpockets and scammers. Alan Bennett got robbed for £1000s after being targeted after going to the bank. Perhaps I'm being cynical but I think if a business is struggling then going cash only isn't really going to help their finances and then because cash only businesses have a reputation of being money laundering fronts then people won't use them anymore. I think cash will be phased out but not in this decade or even the next decade.
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Post by sph on Feb 21, 2024 15:28:08 GMT
I find right-wing media stations to be a little disingenuous in their support for keeping cash though, clearly just pandering to their core demographic who desperately want to keep things like the "good old days". That is just lazy somewhat ageist left-wing stereotyping - have you actually watched GB News and seen what arguments they are putting forward ? Their core audience is older than some other stations but the fact the charity Age UK are also campaigning for cash to be retained should indicate to you that maybe there are some valid reasons that older people want to retain cash. Actually there's also seems to be a hint of conspiracy theory about it too - the demonstrators I saw were also campaigning against plans for a government-backed digital pound. But what are those valid reasons? I certainly couldn't find any. I'm not saying I want cash to disappear, nor do I expect it will in my lifetime at least. However, I do object to people arguing with businesses who do not accept it. As for ageism, what I said is less about age and more about how a key part of right-wing media is trying to suspend in time an image of Britain and the world which no longer exists, and instilling a fear in people who watch that this "ideal" Britain filled with all the usual British paraphernalia is somehow being taken away from them. How do you think we ended up with Brexit etc? "The immigrants are coming for your jobs! The trans people are coming for your bathrooms! The gays are coming for your kids! Meghan Markle is coming for your Royal family!" And people buy into it. Cash will inevitably become less common, but it isn't the end of the world. People are just naturally resistant to change. I'm glad I wasn't alive to see the reaction people had to decimalisation...
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 21, 2024 15:29:26 GMT
I would be very sad to see cash eliminated. Coins and notes are a big part of our culture and heritage. So's slavery but luckily that doesn't exist now either. Go check the statistics about modern day slavery and then come back to say sorry.
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Post by Jon on Feb 21, 2024 15:36:45 GMT
I think the problem with articles saying cash has increased is that it doesn't paint the full picture. Perhaps people are using more cash along with card and contactless but I doubt they're abandoning card and contactless altogether.
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Feb 21, 2024 15:37:55 GMT
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Post by theatrelover97 on Feb 21, 2024 15:37:55 GMT
As someone normally sensitive to casual ageism, I can't say I have detected any in this thread. Plenty of older people embrace change and new technology when there are clear benefits. As for the risks of electronic payments, the test should not be "is it risk-free?", but rather "is it safer than cash?", and, if it's not, are any additional benefits worth the increased risk? In my own experience, I have several times in my life lost cash or had it stolen. I've had a few attempts to wrongly debit my card accounts, but all were quickly resolved. I have also had the ability to force a refund on many occasions when goods/services were substandard from uncooperative retailers, something that would have been impossible with a cash payment. I have also made thousands of pounds worth of purchases in foreign currencies at almost the spot (interbank) exchange rate. Getting foreign cash would have cost me 3-5% of the purchase price. Both card and cash have risks attached. Anyone carrying wads of cash around with them is an easy target for pickpockets and scammers. Alan Bennett got robbed for £1000s after being targeted after going to the bank. Perhaps I'm being cynical but I think if a business is struggling then going cash only isn't really going to help their finances and then because cash only businesses have a reputation of being money laundering fronts then people won't use them anymore. I think cash will be phased out but not in this decade or even the next decade. I wonder of more people in the UK would boycott a cash only bussiness to a card only one. Both are probably about as common as each other in terms of number of establishments. I am not sure Cash is going anywhere if the current revival continues.
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