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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 21:09:25 GMT
Its a bit of a bitch really, because Hannigan is one of those roles that is such a stroke of genius if done right, but can be soooo wrong if you get it wrong... based on reviews, Miranda is hitting the right marks, the issue isn't her performance or her, its just she is naturally too warm and loveable to be this vile person.
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Post by bellboard27 on Jun 5, 2017 21:17:46 GMT
I was at press night tonight. Frankly I didn't mind Hart at all. The girls' dancing was fine but I really am not sure what this is doing on the West End. It is not a patch on Matilda for a start. Several of the jokes would go down well with a 1930s audience and, as parsley says, there are sound issues. Still lots of the audience around me liked it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 21:57:35 GMT
Its a bit of a bitch really, because Hannigan is one of those roles that is such a stroke of genius if done right, but can be soooo wrong if you get it wrong... based on reviews, Miranda is hitting the right marks, the issue isn't her performance or her, its just she is naturally too warm and loveable to be this vile person. You can be warm and lovable in real life and an absolute bitch onstage. it's called....acting! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 22:13:55 GMT
Its a bit of a bitch really, because Hannigan is one of those roles that is such a stroke of genius if done right, but can be soooo wrong if you get it wrong... based on reviews, Miranda is hitting the right marks, the issue isn't her performance or her, its just she is naturally too warm and loveable to be this vile person. You can be warm and lovable in real life and an absolute bitch onstage. it's called....acting! Very patronising and uncalled for. I know perfectly well the meaning of acting. There is a fair few actors/actresses who struggle with the problem Miranda is having. And its not that they are giving a bad performance either. Its so ethign that they can't help. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 22:15:53 GMT
I was at press night tonight. Frankly I didn't mind Hart at all. The girls' dancing was fine but I really am not sure what this is doing on the West End. It is not a patch on Matilda for a start. Several of the jokes would go down well with a 1930s audience and, as parsley says, there are sound issues. Still lots of the audience around me liked it. It's so dire |
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Post by bellboard27 on Jun 5, 2017 22:36:04 GMT
And 4 stars in The Stage
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Post by phantz on Jun 6, 2017 11:17:03 GMT
You can be warm and lovable in real life and an absolute bitch onstage. it's called....acting! Very patronising and uncalled for. I know perfectly well the meaning of acting. No it's not; your comment was naive and ignorant of the craft. It's the same quality that makes the most boring man on earth become Mr Bean and worlds most outwardly effervescent man become an introverted obsessive. |
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 6, 2017 11:40:02 GMT
But just because it's called "acting", doesn't mean everyone can do it. Maybe Ms Hart just isn't that good an actress to be able to shake off her TV persona to fully inhabit the character of Miss Hannigan without turning her into a panto dame. But I haven't seen it, so I dunno.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 11:46:58 GMT
If I am interpreting the Instagram post correctly the guy playing Rooster and girl playing Lily are a couple in real life too. How cool is that.
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 6, 2017 12:54:01 GMT
Quentin Letts in the Daily Mail LOVED it:
"Anyone in central London last night may have heard a low moaning. Was it an Underground train negotiating a bad bend? Was it a camel in labour? No, it was Miranda Hart trying to sing in Annie.....Her singing is really remarkably bad: a coyote yowl, no more in key than a crane swinging in a high breeze.' Yet it's "impossible to dislike her", he says.
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Post by TallPaul on Jun 6, 2017 13:16:55 GMT
Quentin Letts in the Daily Mail LOVED it: "Anyone in central London last night may have heard a low moaning. Was it an Underground train negotiating a bad bend? Was it a camel in labour? No, it was Miranda Hart trying to sing in Annie.....Her singing is really remarkably bad: a coyote yowl, no more in key than a crane swinging in a high breeze.' Yet it's "impossible to dislike her", he says. Surely the whole point of Miss Hannigan is that she's an awful drunk who can't sing. Besides, as I remember, the character only has one solo and a three-hander. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 13:23:23 GMT
Surely the whole point of Miss Hannigan is that she's an awful drunk who can't sing. Besides, as I remember, the character only has one solo and a three-hander.Is now the right time to admit that my nickname at school was Miss Hannigan for that very same reason? Still. I got some of the best A-level grades in the school that year. Imagine what I could have achieved if I'd opened a book! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 13:25:19 GMT
Very patronising and uncalled for. I know perfectly well the meaning of acting. No it's not; your comment was naive and ignorant of the craft. It's the same quality that makes the most boring man on earth become Mr Bean and worlds most outwardly effervescent man become an introverted obsessive. Even if daniel's comment was naive or ignorant of what acting requires (which I don't think at all), that doesn't excuse any type of lording it over, "I know more than you so you're stupid" type of attitude in response. There's no need for it, and it's off-putting. You do not need to know anything about acting to post on here, so no-one should made to feel inferior about posting just because you happen to know more about the subject than them! Besides, I think you're oversimplifying it - I don't think it's true that every actor can convincingly play the bad guy/girl, and public perception of a person from their previous work is bound to be a factor as well. |
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Post by mallardo on Jun 6, 2017 15:10:22 GMT
Re Miss Hannigan, I think she does have to be able to sing. The role has always been cast that way, at least in the US - Dorothy Loudon, Carol Burnett, Nell Carter and, most recently Katie Finneran and Jane Lynch. All of them with good or, at least, decent voices.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 6, 2017 16:17:20 GMT
Re Miss Hannigan, I think she does have to be able to sing. The role has always been cast that way, at least in the US - Dorothy Loudon, Carol Burnett, Nell Carter and, most recently Katie Finneran and Jane Lynch. All of them with good or, at least, decent voices. Um.. Leslie Joseph? Craig Revel Horwood? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 16:23:59 GMT
I just showed a clip of Miranda to an American friend of mine (following a ramble/rant about her/Annie/not getting it)
"Her voice is weird, it sounds like when Americans try and be British"
I feel so bad, she seems so lovely but I also just want to throw things every time I see her 'act/do comedy'
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Post by grannyjx6 on Jun 6, 2017 16:27:04 GMT
Re Miss Hannigan, I think she does have to be able to sing. The role has always been cast that way, at least in the US - Dorothy Loudon, Carol Burnett, Nell Carter and, most recently Katie Finneran and Jane Lynch. All of them with good or, at least, decent voices. Um.. Leslie Joseph? Craig Revel Horwood?
I've heard Craig Revel Horwood sing and he's not bad actually. Could Glen Close sing in Sunset Boulevard? Not really but she still made the role sensational.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 6, 2017 16:39:48 GMT
I saw Mr RH in it and it wasn't that good either. As for Miss Close... how very dare you.  |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 6, 2017 16:43:54 GMT
I just showed a clip of Miranda to an American friend of mine (following a ramble/rant about her/Annie/not getting it) "Her voice is weird, it sounds like when Americans try and be British" I feel so bad, she seems so lovely but I also just want to throw things every time I see her 'act/do comedy' To be honest, parsley's "H" word comment would probably pale into insignificance compared with the slating she's getting on here for various other reasons. And I don't know if anyone noticed that we had a new member yesterday. Profile name "Miranda". #justsaying |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 16:45:02 GMT
I wonder if this production has any chance with the Olivier nominations?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 16:47:31 GMT
I just showed a clip of Miranda to an American friend of mine (following a ramble/rant about her/Annie/not getting it) "Her voice is weird, it sounds like when Americans try and be British" I feel so bad, she seems so lovely but I also just want to throw things every time I see her 'act/do comedy' To be honest, parsley's "H" word comment would probably pale into insignificance compared with the slating she's getting on here for various other reasons. And I don't know if anyone noticed that we had a new member yesterday. Profile name "Miranda". #justsaying I only answered Parsley back due to the cumulative Parsely effect...I don't find Heffalump particularly offensive. And I've been diplomatic in my comments on Ms Hart. And her Dog is adorable. #justsaying  |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 6, 2017 17:30:30 GMT
To be honest, parsley's "H" word comment would probably pale into insignificance compared with the slating she's getting on here for various other reasons. And I don't know if anyone noticed that we had a new member yesterday. Profile name "Miranda". #justsaying I only answered Parsley back due to the cumulative Parsely effect...I don't find Heffalump particularly offensive. And I've been diplomatic in my comments on Ms Hart. And her Dog is adorable. #justsaying She said... backtracking like mad!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 0:18:05 GMT
Saw the show on Friday, I loved it. My first experience of ever seeing Annie live.
Miranda Hart was, well as everyone else has said, was just playing Miranda Hart. As much as I love her, I wasnt expecting much singing wise, but I was surprised. Obviously not the best, but she could hold a tune, the last note of Little Girls was very unexpected. I had spent the last few days listening to the most recent Broadway cast recording, and I think her vocals were actually better. She had the comedy hands down, and had the entire audience in the palm of her hand.
Had Lola Moxom on as Annie. She was brilliant. Quite a lot of talent there...only problem was that she had a few mic issues, but I was still able to hear her from the 2nd row.
Stand out from the kids was Aurelia Borrelli as little Molly. She stole every scene that involved the orphans. Everything she did got a really big reaction from the audience.
The rest of the cast were really stunning. Jonny Fines as Rooster and Holly Dale Spencer as Grace were both my stand outs of the main cast.
And I have to mention Keisha Atwell...she gave quite a hilarious and sassy Boylan Sister.
It was such a feel good show, and I really hope I get to see it again at some point.
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Post by theatregeek1 on Jun 12, 2017 15:07:10 GMT
Friday 9th June was actually all of the orphans, including Annie's debut performance! Glad to hear it went well!
I was at the show yesterday afternoon and thought the whole cast, especially Lola Moxom as Annie, were fantastic. True that Miranda Hart isn't amazing vocally but she can hold a tune and I do prefer her in the role to Lesley Joseph and Craig Revel Horwood
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Post by theatre-turtle on Jun 12, 2017 22:21:50 GMT
I saw it tonight. Worst audience I've ever had. Several large groups came in every 10 mins up to about half way through Act 1, some people were sat in the wrong seats so there was mucho shuffling around for half of the first Act. Then people kept being disruptive and the stewards had to keep telling people off. There was also a lot of talking and mobile phone use/attempted recording. Generally the sound was awful in the Grand Circle and I had many problems hearing what was going on. The view is terrible from the top of the grand circle, the rake is steep, yet somehow you can't see beyond the people in front of you?
Anyway, I thought this was pretty pedestrian and low budget. Miranda Hart cannot sing and her acting was tedious and one-note. Annie was OK. Good songs, performed badly.
The story is pretty terrible and unrealistic. It also introduces many themes it doesn't really deal with adequately. including:
- Why are abusive people allowed to work unsupervised with vulnerable children? Indeed, is there something about positions of potential abuse that attract abusers? Does this go part way to explain the problem the Catholic Church has with pederasty?
- Why is it accepted without exposition that it's OK for a rich guy to have dozens of servants and opulence while millions are starving to death? Couldn't he have done a lot more good by setting up soup kitchens etc. rather than showering opulence on a single girl? Why is his 'charitable act' celebrated so much?
- Are we meant to think of it a good thing that 'not being abused in an orphanage' is a privilege bestowed upon randomly by the capriciousness of rich benefactors? As a society we need to question why we are brainwashed into thinking 'charity' is the answer to the world's problems. BETTER, MORE EQUITABLE GOVERNMENT is a much more effective solution. It's the equivalent of people celebrating Nicki Minaj paying off her fan's tuition fees over Twitter. We should be questioning why 20 year olds are able to rack up tens of thousands of dollars in debt without having the consequences explained to them adequately.
- Is 'tomorrow will be better' really an appropriate mantra to teach our kids? In reality deus ex machina is VERY unlikely to happen to you, and your life will continue to be crappy unless you (at least attempt to) do something about it?
1.5* out of 5 for me (it's slightly better than Salomé so I couldn't give it the same 1* rating I gave that)
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