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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 21, 2019 16:31:55 GMT
Top marks for Mr Lee for proper cinema etiquette
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Post by Backdrifter on Feb 21, 2019 16:51:59 GMT
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That brings to mind The Thick Of It when a possible leadership contender had "gone dark" and broken contact, sending all the spinners into an overnight panic for the entire episode. It turned out he'd gone home and gone to bed.
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Post by Backdrifter on Feb 21, 2019 16:53:21 GMT
I did think Lee was a Tory possible, maybe Nick Boles too. Lots of focus on Greening today.
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Post by Backdrifter on Feb 22, 2019 10:54:37 GMT
Now Ian Austin has left Labour and gone independent, but has not joined the Independent Group. So he is an independent who is independent from the Independent Group, who are independents as part of a group of independents. It's possible that other MPs would leave to go independent but would also choose to be independent of the Independent Group, but may still want to form an independent Independent Group of independents, which would be independent of the other independents in the Independent Group. But even if that happens, some of those independents might wish to stay independent of the independents who've formed an independent group independent from the Independent Group, and would therefore be independents who were independent from both the independents who've formed an independent group independent from the independents in the first independent Group, and the independents in the first Independent Group.
I suppose it all depends.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 11:08:20 GMT
Now Ian Austin has left Labour and gone independent, but has not joined the Independent Group. So he is an independent who is independent from the Independent Group, who are independents as part of a group of independents. It's possible that other MPs would leave to go independent but would also choose to be independent of the Independent Group, but may still want to form an independent Independent Group of independents, which would be independent of the other independents in the Independent Group. But even if that happens, some of those independents might wish to stay independent of the independents who've formed an independent group independent from the Independent Group, and would therefore be independents who were independent from both the independents who've formed an independent group independent from the independents in the first independent Group, and the independents in the first Independent Group. I suppose it all depends. Mornington Crescent. |
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Post by Backdrifter on Feb 22, 2019 11:27:07 GMT
Now Ian Austin has left Labour and gone independent, but has not joined the Independent Group. So he is an independent who is independent from the Independent Group, who are independents as part of a group of independents. It's possible that other MPs would leave to go independent but would also choose to be independent of the Independent Group, but may still want to form an independent Independent Group of independents, which would be independent of the other independents in the Independent Group. But even if that happens, some of those independents might wish to stay independent of the independents who've formed an independent group independent from the Independent Group, and would therefore be independents who were independent from both the independents who've formed an independent group independent from the independents in the first independent Group, and the independents in the first Independent Group. I suppose it all depends. Mornington Crescent. I knew I'd put it in the wrong thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 11:43:46 GMT
The parties splitting into like minded factions is inevitable now that First Past the Post has become unstable. What’s the point of trading off your beliefs for stability if that stability has become chaos? There are really more than twenty ‘parties’ within the current ones, they’ve just been hidden (and not very well hidden at that).
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 22, 2019 18:23:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 13:43:52 GMT
On the Labour side it wouldn’t be a surprise if Louise Ellman is one of the next few to depart; Liverpool MP, Jewish, in a very similar position to Berger. From the Conservative side it’s May’s behaviour this week that will push matters. I think it’s unlikely that she (or Corbyn) will stand up to her party’s extremists, so the ERG will stay put, brazening it out, whilst moderates like Greening or Sandbach go.
There is, interestingly, a not insignificant chance of a complete breakdown of the parties over the votes (or non votes) this week. If May tries to postpone then scores of Conservatives may rebel, some just threatening to leave but a significant number doing so. Similarly, if Corbyn keeps refusing to back a second referendum then Labour will also splinter. What might be necessary to finally get us out of this hellhole is, quite conceivably in fact, the breakdown of the party system.
EDIT: Just seen the news breaking that May is, indeed, postponing the vote, maybe until the middle of March. This is insanity.
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Post by sf on Feb 24, 2019 15:25:51 GMT
EDIT: Just seen the news breaking that May is, indeed, postponing the vote, maybe until the middle of March. This is insanity. At the very least, it demonstrates absolute, unyielding contempt for both Parliament and the electorate. Matthew Parris's hatchet-job in the Times the other day appears to be right on target:  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 15:26:25 GMT
Clearly the leaders' cunning strategy is to control their respective parties by reducing the party membership to themselves alone.
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