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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:31:46 GMT
Eh I think the award was pretty pointless. It was just the same 2/3 shows on rotation. and one show getting all the awards because it is just hyping atm is not pointless? (next year same thing with another show) and i loved the performances from Covent Garden, now it is just dead boring I haven't seen Harry Potter so I can't comment on that as for all I know it may be deserving. I was very happy to see Hamilton sweep last year's Tonys as it was truly deserving. And just go and YouTube the old ones, as I say it was the same thing every year. The Wizard and I and One Day More over and over and over. |
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Post by d'James on Apr 9, 2017 20:32:46 GMT
I'm also very disappointed for Glenn. I've seen Amber as well and Glenn wins hands down on the acting front. Amber wins on the singing front though. I guess it depends what you're looking for.
Also disappointed for Tyrone Huntley but I haven't seen Groundhog Day so I can't compare.
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Post by bellboard27 on Apr 9, 2017 20:33:09 GMT
what? that was it? is there no "best musical" award? only best new one? There's Best New Musical and Best Musical Revival. Not sure what else they could do, unless you want to see Tim Minchin and Andrew Lloyd Webber arm-wrestling.. Yes please. I suggest on BBC on a Saturday with Graham Norton as umpire. |
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Post by charliec on Apr 9, 2017 20:33:41 GMT
THRILLED for Andy Karl and Groundhog Day! Now please can we have it back in London ASAP! It's a Broadway Baby now, why would they want to open this in London. Minchin said twice this evening that there would be a production here again within the year. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:33:59 GMT
FULL LIST OF WINNERSBest New Musical - Groundhog Day
Best Musical Revival - Jesus Christ SuperstarBest Actress in a Musical - Amber Riley for DreamgirlsBest Actor in a Musical - Andy Karl for Groundhog DayBest Actress in a Supporting Role in a Musical - Rebecca Trehearn for Show BoatBest Actor in a Supporting Role in a Musical - Adam J Bernard for DreamgirlsBest New Play - Harry Potter and the Cursed ChildBest New Comedy - Our Ladies of Perpetual SuccourBest Revival - YermaBest Actress - Billie Piper for Yerma
Best Actor - Jamie Parker for Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
Best Actress in a Supporting Role - Noma Dumezweni for Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
Best Actor in a Supporting Role - Anthony Boyle for Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
Best Director - John Tiffany for Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
Best Theatre Choreographer - Matthew Bourne for The Red ShoesBest Lighting Design - Harry Potter and the Cursed ChildBest Sound Design - Harry Potter and the Cursed ChildBest Costume Design - Harry Potter and the Cursed ChildBest Set Design - Harry Potter and the Cursed ChildBest New Opera Production - Akhnaten
Best New Dance Production - Betroffenheit
Best Entertainment and Family - The Red ShoesOutstanding Achievement in Opera - Mark Wigglesworth for his conducting of Don Giovanni and Lulu
Outstanding Achievement in Dance - English National Ballet for expanding the variety of their repertoire with Akram Khan's Giselle and She Said
Outstanding Achievement in Music - School of Rock the Musical for the three children's bands who play live every night at New London TheatreOutstanding Achievement in an Affiliate Theatre - Rotterdam
Special Award - Kenneth BranaghHarry Potter and the Cursed Child - 9 Dreamgirls - 2 Groundhog Day - 2 The Red Shoes - 2 Yerma - 2 Akhnaten - 1 Betroffenheit - 1 Jesus Christ Superstar - 1 Our Ladies of Perpetual Succour - 1 Rotterdam - 1 School of Rock the Musical - 1 Show Boat - 1 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:40:33 GMT
Okay, my quick thoughts.
Super happy for Jamie Parker. I haven't seen HP but he's probably my favourite male theatre actor and I would have loved for him to have won last year for Guys & Dolls. He's had a long career in the theatre and whether he has rode along with the Harry Potter hype or not, at least it's gone to someone who is dedicated to theatre and is a consistently brilliant actor.
Also very happy for Rebecca Trehearn and Andy Karl. Two excellent performances. I loved Show Boat and although I wasn't the biggest fan of Groundhog Day, Andy completely saved it for me.
I still think having an achievement in music category instead of best score is stupid, but I can't deny that those School of Rock children are deserving of recognition.
Bet the Barlow isn't happy now!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:44:38 GMT
Bet the Barlow isn't happy now! The performance from The Girls is right at the top of the show, before most people get bored and switch to another channel. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:46:40 GMT
Gutted for Sixpence but happy for Groundhog Day and Dreamgirls! Groundhog deserved more, and Charlie deserved to win Best Actor, but overall am fine with who won.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:46:52 GMT
Bet the Barlow isn't happy now! The performance from The Girls is right at the top of the show, before most people get bored and switch to another channel. Anyone who has bothered to turn their TV on at some point within the last year has already seen some kind of performance from this show. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:54:26 GMT
The performance from The Girls is right at the top of the show, before most people get bored and switch to another channel. Anyone who has bothered to turn their TV on at some point within the last year has already seen some kind of performance from this show. I watch a lot of tv and I haven't seen any. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:55:12 GMT
Anyone who has bothered to turn their TV on at some point within the last year has already seen some kind of performance from this show. I watch a lot of tv and I haven't seen any. Lucky you! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:57:01 GMT
I watch a lot of tv and I haven't seen any. Lucky you! I heard it tonight on Magic Radio and it put me off seeing it, but that's just my personal taste. |
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Post by Latecomer on Apr 9, 2017 21:22:15 GMT
I have to say people are being very grumpy about Hary Potter but I thought it was GREAT! The reason so many people won awards is because they selected a great team on this one...I recognised the lighting man from lots of Donmar stuff, the director was great (other great productions under his belt) Jamie Parker is a great actor and was excellent, as were supporting people....music great...just very professional all round! And the play is good.....it takes Harry Potter genre and does not ruin it! That is no mean feat. Before this opened people were ready to hate this....it is amazing that they managed to create something entertaining and true to the spirit of JK (yes, I know she is corny and not that amazing at plot but thst's Harry Potter!) And it is PURE THEATRE!
So.....well done and three cheers from me (and I see a lot of theatre!)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 21:57:17 GMT
I'm a bit grumpy about Potter (I haven't seen it!) but only because I never think a show should ge tthat many, they should spread the wealth haha,
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 22:02:25 GMT
They should only spread the wealth if those shows are actually more deserving though (and maybe they are, as I say I haven't seen it!) These awards become completely meaningless if people just get them so they're not left out.
I was starting to get worried that it would win choreography and music as I was sure that it wasn't deserving of those, but it didn't. And they spread the awards around for musicals really nicely, which I think was right as there was no major standout.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 22:24:05 GMT
Well said, Latecomer! Given the popularity of the Harry Potter franchise, the whole thing could have gone horribly wrong if the Cursed Child team hadn't put in the necessary work, made the right decisions and taken the right risks. With every awards ceremony there will always be people who miss out that you think are more deserving, but that's just how it goes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 22:26:49 GMT
Yeah, it's an awards ceremony, not a school sports day. If Cursed Child deserves the awards, then Cursed Child should get the awards, simple as. Spreading the awards around for the sake of "fairness" would just devalue the whole thing (even more).
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 9, 2017 23:15:00 GMT
Because Harry Potter has cleaned up, which means it has been a dissapointing year for subsidised theatre. Saying that though Harry Potter didn't have any competition, there hasn't been another stand out play this year.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Apr 9, 2017 23:43:59 GMT
Cursed Child is just not a strong production. Yes, it's entertaining, has some solid acting and impressive staging and set pieces, and obviously Potterheads love it, but the script is weak and it's just not really mind-blowing if you're not a Potter fan. Potter is such a popularity leviathan and has such a dedicated fanbase it was practically bulletproof commercially. And theatre awards are pretty notorious for being influenced by fame and commercial success.
It's not that I disliked it at all, but it's hardly Jerusalem is it?
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Post by talkstageytome on Apr 9, 2017 23:49:52 GMT
Nothing for my one true love The Glass Menagerie. Sob. Pretty predictable year tbh, except I was almost SURE that Charlie Stemp would win Best Actor in a Musical. Happy for Andy Karl though - Groundhog Day was one of my FAVES last year and he was great. Cool to hear Tim Minchin perform 'Hope', my fave song from the show. In fact, there were some great performances all round, including Amber Riley  , Tyrone Huntley sounding amazing in the JCS performance, as SoR doing my fave song from the show, 'Stick It To The Man'. I'll probably watch the show on Tuesday just to see the performances, although I still don't understand why anyone thinks that watching an award show on TV 2 days after the winners are announced makes any sense. It'll be old news by then surely? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 0:19:08 GMT
Because Harry Potter has cleaned up, which means it has been a dissapointing year for subsidised theatre. Saying that though Harry Potter didn't have any competition, there hasn't been another stand out play this year. The Flick. |
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Apr 10, 2017 0:43:01 GMT
Honestly, I think Harry Potter deserved every single win. It is incredibly hard to find fault with the production and the two awards it didn't win, I never expected it to win anyway. You can argue that it has the advantage of a big budget and therefore was able to bring the best team together (which is true), but that doesn't make it any less deserving. The play delivers. It's as simple as that. Well yes we all think our personal faves are faultless. I think the play delivers a lot, but not completely, and it's very easy to find fault with the production: the script is near universally considered the weak point and there has been plenty of detailed critical analysis of the script and staging choices. I therefore find it hard for anyone who isn't a Potter fan to critique the story, especially if they are attempting to review it as a stand alone work of theatre - because story wise it is the last of 8 stories. Not saying you aren't familiar with the Potterverse, but to say it isn't mind blowing if you aren't a Potter fan is clearly an attempt to find something wrong with it in leu of anything substantial. It doesn't have a duty to be mind blowing to non fans. That's all very well and good but that is simply not how the professional theatre industry works. This is not a Tumblr 'fanblog'. The point of theatre awards and theatre criticism in general is to objectively analyse the various elements comprising a stage production in the context of the wider theatre landscape. Any production that exists only to serve undiscriminating existing fans is by definition a failure and I don't believe either Jack (a playwright and peer I rate highly) nor JK Rowling would have any interest in that. I enjoyed Cursed Child a great deal, and there's a lot to praise about it. But it's not the strongest or most ground-breaking play of the year and I don't agree with the Oliviers turning into the ES Awards. As I'm aware, it's one of the first times a genuine sequel to an existing work of literature has taken place on stage Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead? I suppose that's not a true sequel as it's set concurrently. Of course stage plays acting as sequels for Shakespeare or other stage classics are not uncommon but they tend to be less successful for practical reasons. There have been stage adaptations of book sequels. It's certainly interesting to explore how a self-contained story/story world can be told cross-medium but not unique. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 3:19:29 GMT
Really made up for Rebecca Trehearn a delightful actress, who has worked he socks for little reward in the past, finally got the recognition she deserved. But the same could be said about Emma Williams, she her number will come up one day. To be fair, giving her the Olivier for Sixpence would just be to throw her a bone I agree. I wanted Victoria to win overall, as I think her performance was the best of the nominees (though I didn't see Threepenny). As much as I love Emma, and see is great in Sixpence, if she on for that role it would of been a body of work in rather than a single performance win. She will win in the not too distant future im sure, her 5th or 6th nomination. |
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Post by caa on Apr 10, 2017 6:05:39 GMT
Cursed Child is just not a strong production. Yes, it's entertaining, has some solid acting and impressive staging and set pieces, and obviously Potterheads love it, but the script is weak and it's just not really mind-blowing if you're not a Potter fan. Potter is such a popularity leviathan and has such a dedicated fanbase it was practically bulletproof commercially. And theatre awards are pretty notorious for being influenced by fame and commercial success. It's not that I disliked it at all, but it's hardly Jerusalem is it? Jerusalem didn't win best play at the 2010 Olivier's, which says it all about these awards. |
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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 10, 2017 6:35:16 GMT
Reading Andrew Wrights twitter, there seems to be a lot of bitterness that he wasn't nominated and the show wasn't 'allowed' to perform.
I do think it's odd that the awards are meant to celebrate the productions, yet they seems embarrassed to actually have staged excerpts from the shows on them. Instead they just want individual performers belting out a number. Preferably someone like Gary Barlow.
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, Tyrone Huntley sounding amazing in the JCS performance, as SoR doing my fave song from the show, 'Stick It To The Man'. 