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Post by mrbarnaby on Apr 10, 2017 6:36:57 GMT
It is re opening in London.. and it isn't at the Old Vic.. FULL LIST OF WINNERSBest New Musical - Groundhog Day
Best Musical Revival - Jesus Christ SuperstarBest Actress in a Musical - Amber Riley for DreamgirlsBest Actor in a Musical - Andy Karl for Groundhog DayBest Actress in a Supporting Role in a Musical - Rebecca Trehearn for Show BoatBest Actor in a Supporting Role in a Musical - Adam J Bernard for DreamgirlsBest New Play - Harry Potter and the Cursed ChildBest New Comedy - Our Ladies of Perpetual SuccourBest Revival - YermaBest Actress - Billie Piper for Yerma
Best Actor - Jamie Parker for Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
Best Actress in a Supporting Role - Noma Dumezweni for Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
Best Actor in a Supporting Role - Anthony Boyle for Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
Best Director - John Tiffany for Harry Potter and the Cursed Child
Best Theatre Choreographer - Matthew Bourne for The Red ShoesBest Lighting Design - Harry Potter and the Cursed ChildBest Sound Design - Harry Potter and the Cursed ChildBest Costume Design - Harry Potter and the Cursed ChildBest Set Design - Harry Potter and the Cursed ChildBest New Opera Production - Akhnaten
Best New Dance Production - Betroffenheit
Best Entertainment and Family - The Red ShoesOutstanding Achievement in Opera - Mark Wigglesworth for his conducting of Don Giovanni and Lulu
Outstanding Achievement in Dance - English National Ballet for expanding the variety of their repertoire with Akram Khan's Giselle and She Said
Outstanding Achievement in Music - School of Rock the Musical for the three children's bands who play live every night at New London TheatreOutstanding Achievement in an Affiliate Theatre - Rotterdam
Special Award - Kenneth BranaghHarry Potter and the Cursed Child - 9 Dreamgirls - 2 Groundhog Day - 2 The Red Shoes - 2 Yerma - 2 Akhnaten - 1 Betroffenheit - 1 Jesus Christ Superstar - 1 Our Ladies of Perpetual Succour - 1 Rotterdam - 1 School of Rock the Musical - 1 Show Boat - 1
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Post by msdynamite on Apr 10, 2017 6:45:34 GMT
Reading Andrew Wrights twitter, there seems to be a lot of bitterness that he wasn't nominated and the show wasn't 'allowed' to perform. I do think it's odd that the awards are meant to celebrate the productions, yet they seems embarrassed to actually have staged excerpts from the shows on them. Instead they just want individual performers belting out a number. Preferably someone like Gary Barlow. Is there a specific reason why the whole ceremony isn't broadcasted live ? It felt bizarre only being able to hear about the performances, award wins and the speeches second hand on Twitter. The communal celebratory feeling of watching things as they happen like it is for the Tony awards is really diminished IMO.
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Post by zak97 on Apr 10, 2017 7:18:03 GMT
Reading Andrew Wrights twitter, there seems to be a lot of bitterness that he wasn't nominated and the show wasn't 'allowed' to perform. I do think it's odd that the awards are meant to celebrate the productions, yet they seems embarrassed to actually have staged excerpts from the shows on them. Instead they just want individual performers belting out a number. Preferably someone like Gary Barlow. Is there a specific reason why the whole ceremony isn't broadcasted live ? It felt bizarre only being able to hear about the performances, award wins and the speeches second hand on Twitter. The communal celebratory feeling of watching things as they happen like it is for the Tony awards is really diminished IMO. ITV like adverts so it would be really disjointed for those attending with all the stops. I guess it is more convenient to broadcast delayed.
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Post by LaLuPone on Apr 10, 2017 7:28:16 GMT
Is there a specific reason why the whole ceremony isn't broadcasted live ? It felt bizarre only being able to hear about the performances, award wins and the speeches second hand on Twitter. The communal celebratory feeling of watching things as they happen like it is for the Tony awards is really diminished IMO. ITV like adverts so it would be really disjointed for those attending with all the stops. I guess it is more convenient to broadcast delayed. Thing is ITV will sacrifice their adverts so they can show 45 minutes straight of football and then just do a load of adverts during half-time but of course we'd never get that with the Olivier Awards as it just wouldn't get the same amount of views. Shame
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 7:48:46 GMT
ITV like adverts so it would be really disjointed for those attending with all the stops. I guess it is more convenient to broadcast delayed. Thing is ITV will sacrifice their adverts so they can show 45 minutes straight of football and then just do a load of adverts during half-time but of course we'd never get that with the Olivier Awards as it just wouldn't get the same amount of views. Shame Please don't compare major football matches With a meaningless theatre awards The scale of profit and commercial advertising is completely different
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Post by LaLuPone on Apr 10, 2017 7:55:12 GMT
Thing is ITV will sacrifice their adverts so they can show 45 minutes straight of football and then just do a load of adverts during half-time but of course we'd never get that with the Olivier Awards as it just wouldn't get the same amount of views. Shame Please don't compare major football matches With a meaningless theatre awards The scale of profit and commercial advertising is completely different Yeah I know it's not the same you can probably tell from my tone that I'm just a bit bitter 😂 apologies!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 8:04:22 GMT
Having done
Both the theatre and musical panel in the past
I found the process meaningless
There was no proper discussion as to the merits of the various categories no debate
It was about as sophisticated as electing people for a school sports team they just went round the table asking you to list the actor or show
Many of the lay panel members could barely string a sentence together and most of them were doing it to assuage the failed actor in them or for the free tickets
What do they know about costume or set design? Do they have any technical training in that respect?
Did they attend the workshops where the items were made and did they get up close to the costumes and sets to touch and feel them?
The short lists that we got back for plays and musicals excluded several of the shows that all the panel members had wanted on there anyway- utterly meaningless
Ironically I was all for Noma to be nominated for Breakfast with Mugabe one year and she was left off the short list entirely It was okay to ignore BAEM in those days though
It the panel was a proper paid role with a discerning selection process one could take it seriously
But having done it
It's really not
This perfectly exemplifies the superficial shine and glitz the awards organisers desperately want to apply onto the pile of actual sh*t these in fact are
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 8:08:48 GMT
I am really pleased
Having said the above
That
The Glass Menagarie
And
Half A Sixpence got nothing
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Apr 10, 2017 10:07:39 GMT
Reading Andrew Wrights twitter, there seems to be a lot of bitterness that he wasn't nominated and the show wasn't 'allowed' to perform. I do think it's odd that the awards are meant to celebrate the productions, yet they seems embarrassed to actually have staged excerpts from the shows on them. Instead they just want individual performers belting out a number. Preferably someone like Gary Barlow. I misread that as Angus Wright and thought, gosh, that would have been edgy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 10:23:39 GMT
Let Andrew Wright be bitter, he should of been nominated, and the fact he wasn't is a joke. I predicted him to be the overall winner before the nominations even came out. Half a Sixpence got seriously snubbed in at least two catagories with nominations.
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Post by wickedgrin on Apr 10, 2017 10:59:15 GMT
These awards are increasingly meaningless these days. Certainly I am not in favour of "spreading the awards around" - if one particular production deserves to sweep the board - so be it. I have not seen the Harry Potter play so cannot comment on this specifically.
However, what I will say is, it seems that if a production (or film)takes off - it just runs away with everything - La La Land is another recent example. So if you are lucky enough to be involved in the trendy thing at the moment you win, even if you are just sweeping the stage.
I suspect it will be the same with Hamilton next year - all the cast and creatives will get nominated and win. Everyone else might as well not turn up! It is ridiculous really!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 11:16:50 GMT
Is there a specific reason why the whole ceremony isn't broadcasted live ? It felt bizarre only being able to hear about the performances, award wins and the speeches second hand on Twitter. The whole ceremony was broadcast live in its entirety on Magic Radio.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 11:23:14 GMT
It the panel was a proper paid role with a discerning selection process one could take it seriously But having done it It's really not The panel has a lesser function now. The actual voting is done by producers and then manipulated if it comes up with the "wrong" result. The Oliviers are now completely a promotion exercise by insiders with vested, commercial interests. However, I enjoyed this year's award ceremony and nominations announcements. They managed to award deserving people and shows, within their parameters of commercial promotion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 12:36:05 GMT
Artistic director of the Royal Court Vicky Featherstone has spoken about how the Olivier Award win for Our Ladies of Perpetual Succour means that "change is finally happening".
What a pile of meaningless sh*t
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 12:54:06 GMT
How are the builders?
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Post by lynette on Apr 10, 2017 12:58:23 GMT
Parsley, I have been on the plays panel and I agree with a lot of what you say: puzzled faces as the list came 'back' from the 'industry' as it contained stuff no one had nominated, no discussion formally and no indication of how the voting was scrutinised, but although the free tix were undeniably something, like winning the lottery, I and my fellow 'lays' and I suspect you too, had put in our time and had to show we had patronised theatre to a considerable degree. My fellow 'lays' were very knowledgeable and enthusiastic theatre goers. The winners in the plays categories have often disappeared by the time the awards come round as have the productions they were in and are never to be seen again. I think this irritated the industry because there was no way of capitalising on the publicity of the awards. This is of course very different from the film industry where an award can encourage a further release, DVD sales and internet viewings, not to mention more work for those involved. So I felt then and I do now that they look to award a show that is ongoing and so the award can be used to pull in the punters in the future publicity. This year they have certainly done that with Harry P. I haven't seen this show. I thought it was for children so I didn't book and now I can't honestly be bothered. It seems to have been well received and is no doubt a good production. But there is that teensy weensy nagging voice in the back of my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 13:03:19 GMT
I really don't see the backlash Amber has faced on Twitter about her win with people saying "oh has she ever actually done 30 performances?" Or "she's been sick the whole time" or "what a load of sh*t". It isn't her fault that she was ill and when she performs she really brings the house down (we saw that from her performance last night".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 13:19:06 GMT
I really don't see the backlash Amber has faced on Twitter about her win with people saying "oh has she ever actually done 30 performances?" Or "she's been sick the whole time" or "what a load of sh*t". It isn't her fault that she was ill and when she performs she really brings the house down (we saw that from her performance last night". That and if they'd have given it to Sheridan or Glenn, they'd still be awarding people that didn't perform for a sustained period of time. So it was either give the award to someone that had had notable absences, or an ensemble of women which would have been far more ridiculous.
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Post by freckles on Apr 10, 2017 13:21:06 GMT
Parsley, I have been on the plays panel and I agree with a lot of what you say... So I felt then and I do now that they look to award a show that is ongoing and so the award can be used to pull in the punters in the future publicity. This year they have certainly done that with Harry P. I haven't seen this show. I thought it was for children so I didn't book and now I can't honestly be bothered. It seems to have been well received and is no doubt a good production. But there is that teensy weensy nagging voice in the back of my mind. Hardly needs the publicity or any help with sales though, does it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 13:30:03 GMT
Let Andrew Wright be bitter, he should of been nominated, and the fact he wasn't is a joke. I predicted him to be the overall winner before the nominations even came out. Half a Sixpence got seriously snubbed in at least two catagories with nominations. Hardly. No-one is entitled to a nomination. It's rather childish to thank people for their "support" in this tough time. He needs to get over himself! He's been nominated before, and I'm sure he'll get nominated again. To be so vocally disappointed is wholly ungracious and rather insulting to the other nominees. As for Sixpence not being invited to perform - of course it wasn't invited. It wasn't nominated!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 13:31:45 GMT
However, what I will say is, it seems that if a production (or film)takes off - it just runs away with everything - La La Land is another recent example. So if you are lucky enough to be involved in the trendy thing at the moment you win, even if you are just sweeping the stage. I suspect it will be the same with Hamilton next year - all the cast and creatives will get nominated and win. Everyone else might as well not turn up! It is ridiculous really! I think it's easy to be cynical about it and think that but in reality, is it actually the truth? I haven't seen Harry Potter but from what I do know about it, it seems to be a technical marvel that makes it an easy winner in categories like lighting design, set design etc. It still lost in choreography and music which would have been ridiculous wins for the show from what I know. With Hamilton at the Tonys, it was an outstanding piece in all areas and had mostly weak competition. It would have been silly if it had won set design over She Loves Me, so they didn't allow it to happen. Likewise, it also lost leading actress, because Cynthia Erivo was probably giving the most raved performance of the year. Next year, I doubt we'll see it winning choreographer at the Oliviers over 42nd Street, An American in Paris and On the Town. But when you see a show like Hamilton, you do walk out thinking 'yep it deserves those 11 Tonys'. With La La Land, again, it was a technical marvel. Most people don't go into movies thinking about the cinematography or the editing or the production design but they were all fantastic in La La Land and deserved to be awarded. Whilst some of its wins over the course of the award season were pretty dubious (that film should not be winning any screenplay awards), what it ultimately got at the Oscars seemed pretty fair. The only Oscar they received that seems blatantly wrong is Emma Stone winning, but I believe that's more to do with the Academy tending to award the young, pretty women that haven't won before when they can. In the end, it got 6 Oscars, mostly technical achievements, and Best Picture went to the better film. My point is is that often in these cases people just look at the overall amount of awards won and think 'that's too many!' rather than taking the time to go through them individually and see if each award actually was deserved. I'd say all of Hamilton's Tonys were deserved, most of La La Land's Oscars were deserved and I expect the same is true of Harry Potter.
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Post by theatremadness on Apr 10, 2017 14:04:20 GMT
Let Andrew Wright be bitter, he should of been nominated, and the fact he wasn't is a joke. I predicted him to be the overall winner before the nominations even came out. Half a Sixpence got seriously snubbed in at least two catagories with nominations. Hardly. No-one is entitled to a nomination. It's rather childish to thank people for their "support" in this tough time. He needs to get over himself! He's been nominated before, and I'm sure he'll get nominated again. To be so vocally disappointed is wholly ungracious and rather insulting to the other nominees. As for Sixpence not being invited to perform - of course it wasn't invited. It wasn't nominated! Could not agree more with this if I tried!! Going on a Sixpence rant unrelated to anyone on this board!! Anthony Drewe rather weirdly decided to express his own disappointment at not being invited to the awards on the actual day of them, tweeting the awards themselves: "Three nominations for Half A Sixpence but do the writers get invited? No, of course they don't - they only wrote it". Don't personally think this was the correct time or place, and cue endless retweets from anyone and everyone tweeting what an outrage it was. And George Stiles, his writing partner, happened to be at the awards anyway as his husband is Hugh Vanstone, so it all comes across as sour grapes to me. Also - the 3 nominations were for acting. Sure, he gave them the material, but there were no creative nominations and the cast weren't performing (for the exact good reasons as mrmusicals mentioned above). So why should he be invited? I must say, the creatives of Half A Sixpence have really not handled themselves well over this "ordeal", totally ungracious. It's hardly like either of them are being snubbed. Exactly as mrmusicals said, Andrew has been nominated before and will be nominated again, Stiles & Drewe have won Best New Musical before! And they will have many nominations ahead of them I'm sure. They're coming across, to me, as rather spoiled. They are all pretty successful in their fields, awards/nominations are not the be all and end all! For what good reason would the Olivier's have for purposefully 'snubbing' the show? It just wasn't their year! As for the acting categories, well the supporting performances faced stiff competition that they just couldn't beat, and Charlie Stemp will most surely have his time. How old is he - 22/23?! Christ, he's got his whole life ahead of him! I always dislike the whole being "robbed" of an award that never belonged to anyone that fans seem adopt (especially on twitter). And it's also rather insulting towards, in this instance, a completely deserving winner who gave a performance more than worthy of award-winning. Unnecessary rant over - the creatives would do well to learn from the graciousness of the cast!
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Post by musicallady on Apr 10, 2017 15:23:42 GMT
My brother is going as ENB are up for an award. ENB? Give us a clue? Apologies. English National Ballet (he's Musical Director) and they won. So proud.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 16:31:34 GMT
Right now I'm in the correct thread...
I don't really have a horse in this race, having managed comparativly few London trips in the last year. But I DO have a Groundhog, and I'm glad he got the awards he deserved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 18:32:08 GMT
However, what I will say is, it seems that if a production (or film)takes off - it just runs away with everything - La La Land is another recent example. So if you are lucky enough to be involved in the trendy thing at the moment you win, even if you are just sweeping the stage. I suspect it will be the same with Hamilton next year - all the cast and creatives will get nominated and win. Everyone else might as well not turn up! It is ridiculous really! I think it's easy to be cynical about it and think that but in reality, is it actually the truth? I haven't seen Harry Potter but from what I do know about it, it seems to be a technical marvel that makes it an easy winner in categories like lighting design, set design etc. It still lost in choreography and music which would have been ridiculous wins for the show from what I know. With Hamilton at the Tonys, it was an outstanding piece in all areas and had mostly weak competition. It would have been silly if it had won set design over She Loves Me, so they didn't allow it to happen. Likewise, it also lost leading actress, because Cynthia Erivo was probably giving the most raved performance of the year. Next year, I doubt we'll see it winning choreographer at the Oliviers over 42nd Street, An American in Paris and On the Town. But when you see a show like Hamilton, you do walk out thinking 'yep it deserves those 11 Tonys'. With La La Land, again, it was a technical marvel. Most people don't go into movies thinking about the cinematography or the editing or the production design but they were all fantastic in La La Land and deserved to be awarded. Whilst some of its wins over the course of the award season were pretty dubious (that film should not be winning any screenplay awards), what it ultimately got at the Oscars seemed pretty fair. The only Oscar they received that seems blatantly wrong is Emma Stone winning, but I believe that's more to do with the Academy tending to award the young, pretty women that haven't won before when they can. In the end, it got 6 Oscars, mostly technical achievements, and Best Picture went to the better film. My point is is that often in these cases people just look at the overall amount of awards won and think 'that's too many!' rather than taking the time to go through them individually and see if each award actually was deserved. I'd say all of Hamilton's Tonys were deserved, most of La La Land's Oscars were deserved and I expect the same is true of Harry Potter. Compared to an average pop concert The lighting is pathetic
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