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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 15, 2019 10:09:20 GMT
It’s firmly in the uncanny valley. Watched the Hakuna Matata clip today and found myself thinking ‘lions don’t sing like that’ and realised that this is the problem. Imagine what Cats is going to be like! |
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Post by anthony40 on Jul 15, 2019 18:28:24 GMT
Possibly I'm easily pleased but I reckon this looks (simply) amazing!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 7:04:12 GMT
It’s firmly in the uncanny valley. Watched the Hakuna Matata clip today and found myself thinking ‘lions don’t sing like that’ and realised that this is the problem. Imagine what Cats is going to be like! I just watched the trailer for it and I was expecting to be horribly unimpressed, but now I am excited! |
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Post by ukpuppetboy on Jul 19, 2019 10:35:43 GMT
Imagine what Cats is going to be like! I just watched the trailer for it and I was expecting to be horribly unimpressed, but now I am excited! Really? Because I feel dirty.. |
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jul 19, 2019 23:01:41 GMT
The Lion King and Cats have both gone down the opposite ends of the spectrum and ended up deep in the uncanny valley for different reasons. Cats' characters' faces are too human and don't match the bodies and The Lion King's characters are too animal-like and don't match the voices so both feel a little off and it's very distracting as a result, especially when the entire cast of both films are like this. It's too fundamental an issue to ignore.
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Post by ukpuppetboy on Jul 20, 2019 0:01:11 GMT
The Lion King and Cats have both gone down the opposite ends of the spectrum and ended up deep in the uncanny valley for different reasons. Cats' characters' faces are too human and don't match the bodies and The Lion King's characters are too animal-like and don't match the voices so both feel a little off and it's very distracting as a result, especially when the entire cast of both films are like this. It's too fundamental an issue to ignore. I completely agree with everything here. Unfortunately both seem to be text book examples of the blind arrogance of modern CGI filmmaking; doing something “because you CAN” rather than for any real artistic contribution that suits the piece. |
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jul 20, 2019 8:17:21 GMT
The Lion King and Cats have both gone down the opposite ends of the spectrum and ended up deep in the uncanny valley for different reasons. Cats' characters' faces are too human and don't match the bodies and The Lion King's characters are too animal-like and don't match the voices so both feel a little off and it's very distracting as a result, especially when the entire cast of both films are like this. It's too fundamental an issue to ignore. I completely agree with everything here. Unfortunately both seem to be text book examples of the blind arrogance of modern CGI filmmaking; doing something “because you CAN” rather than for any real artistic contribution that suits the piece. Yep, the Lion King especially seems to have sacrificed all emotion as well as the big dramatic moments like scar throwing Mufasa off the cliff with a big flourish (I've read that he simply lifts his claws and they just stare at each other now because a real life lion could never show terror when he's about to die, that would be silly!) and even more basic things are affected like Can You From the Love Tonight apparently takes place entirely in the day. It seems ridiculous to me that anyone should think that the Lion King, a movie about talking lions that follows the basic structure of Hamlet, should be as realistic as possible and it's evident that it shouldn't be when it forces you to sacrifice any soul that the original film had. |
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Post by robertb213 on Jul 20, 2019 17:33:47 GMT
Well once again I'm in the minority apparently (as with so many times in life!). Saw this today and absolutely loved it. Visually it's stunning, it's funny, I had tears in my eyes on two occasions, I just thought it was wonderful. Yes of course you can argue that it's not necessary or needed as a remake (you can say that about any remake) but as a cinematic experience and an achievement in film-making, it's brilliant. The mouth movements didn't bother me at all, even in the musical scenes (which there's hardly that many of, and come on, it's a musical film with talking animals, you can suspend your belief a little bit more). A few times, I found myself wondering how they'd managed to get a particular shot, I'd forgotten it wasn't real. Beyonce doesn't really have any acting talent, and that new song is rubbish, but otherwise I have no negatives. I'm a fan of the original film, and I'm now a fan of this new one.
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Post by xanady on Jul 20, 2019 19:13:37 GMT
^Beware of being in the minority robertb213,it will be open season on you on here from Outraged of Slough and friends...super lol 😝
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Post by basi1faw1ty on Jul 21, 2019 8:26:46 GMT
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Post by robertb213 on Jul 21, 2019 10:51:10 GMT
If they remain at this standard, that's fine with me. |
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Post by Rozzi Rainbow on Jul 21, 2019 21:22:52 GMT
I saw this today and LOVED it! It was one of the biggest films of my childhood and I went in with high expectations, the trailer alone gave me the feels. It totally lived up to it, I thought it was amazing. The scenery was great, the music was great, and the first scene alone brought a tear to my eye and a big smile to my face, it was beautifully done.
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Post by asfound on Jul 21, 2019 23:17:31 GMT
Dragged along to it today - absolute trash. The problem for me is that is zero artistry or risk anymore, these films seem committee designed and approved to suck the cash from the lowest common denominator. Where is the darkness, the subversion, or the multi-generational appeal of the Disney of old? One part of me thinks at 26 I'm just too old to really "get" this stuff anymore, but then I can put on stuff like Toy Story, the Powerpuff Girls and Spongebob Squarepants for my nieces and still see their appeal.
Personally I think these films are soulless, pointless and inferior cash grabs. But I would expect no less from the McDonald's of media, and I am no longer disappointed that the masses prefer it to actual food.
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Post by asfound on Jul 21, 2019 23:24:03 GMT
Also, please get some actual, talented and trained voice actors next time. Not people like Beyonce who the director is clearly too scared of to tell her she is pronouncing other character names wrong.
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Post by anthony40 on Jul 25, 2019 20:17:22 GMT
So last night after work I went to the cinema across the road from me to catch a screening of the long-awaited and much anticipated remake of Disney's The Lion King.
Now, I am extremely familiar with this story. I was around for when it was first released at the cinemas all this years ago (alas, yes, I am that old). I remember at the time being a tourist in London and seeing a large statue of the lion Mufasa at the Odeon-Leicester Square.
I have the DVD and have seen the stage show several times. I also have the Broadway cast recording on my phone, so as a Disney fan, I went in with pretty high expectations.
Now I appreciate there has been a fair amount of criticism but wow! This was great!
From the opening shots of the sun rising above the Serengeti with the tress silhouetted and the show-by-shot reproduction of a rhinoceros, zebra, elephants, guinea fowl, a cheetah, antelope and giraffes all coming together to celebrate the birth of Simba in The Circle of Life.
What has impressed me throughout is the colours and the attention to detail, care and effort to create the smallest ant, butterflies, moths and other insects, such as a dung beetle. a chameleon and small mice and rodents.
Watching the film, I believed in Mufasa's bulk and muscle mass. The volume of his black mane, the size of his paws, his claws.
Scar, on the other hand, not as big or bulky, but still sinister nonetheless. Although it was sing-speak, I was so pleased that Be Prepared was included, as I was led to believe that this song had been omitted.
Some interesting camera angles as well, with Zazu The Hornbill trying to spot both the younger Simba and Nala amongst the running zebra and watching then walk between the legs of the giraffe at the watering hole during the I Just Can't Wait To Be King sequence.
The colours, lines and creases on both the face and fingers of the Mandrill. So much detail. A hippo, an ostrich. All the while the underscoring of the tunes from the Broadway show.
I couldn't help but notice in the involvement of Julie Taylor and Lebo M.
Nice to make the comparison between the Hyenas in the original film and this one. They were much more menacing in this version and when they were pursuing Sima and Nala in the elephant graveyard, you were really on their side.
Personally, I didn't have a problem with the animals talking.
The wilderbeast stampede and Mufasa's death were completely believable.
And then the comedy relief in the form of Pumba and Timone. And these two genuinely looked like a warthog and meerkat. There are warts, yes there is farting. Seth Rogans voice is so distinctive, but I liked him and his Pumba was with humerus and feisty. And they handled the singing well.
I have to just say this- I LOVED the aardvark!
I also loved how there was a reference to Be Our Guest from Beauty and the Beast.
You can also see because of the involvement of Beyonce how the role of Nala has been expanded
To date, I have seen all of the recent Disney remakes and in my opinion, the by surpassed them all.
All involved with this project should be incredibly proud of themselves for bring this story to a whole new generation.
Long live the King!
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