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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 17:56:16 GMT
I think the recent Disney animations are among the best work they've ever produced but I could really do without this remaking of films with CGI. When Disney embraced the new technology for films like Tangled, Wreck-It Ralph and Frozen they created something beautiful and wonderful and original. This stuff is more of a technology sales pitch: "Hey, everyone. Isn't this so much better than a travelling matte? And just listen to what we can achieve with autotune!" Tangled I agree but not so much frozen. Story wise it's fresh but animation is quite basic compared to Tangled or even the original classics like Pinocchio or Sleeping beauty. When you look at the background characters and scenery (especially in the palace) it's quite basic compared to what they could do. Rewatching the original classics you realise how genius and whattrue artists the early animators were.The level of detail is incredible |
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Post by Marwood on Nov 24, 2018 19:34:41 GMT
Can’t see the point in a photo-realistic Lion King, might as well watch old clips of Johnny Morris for free online if you want to see animals talking (although last thing I heard, the snowflake brigade were trying to get him banned for ‘demeaning’ animals) 😐
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 19:57:41 GMT
I think the recent Disney animations are among the best work they've ever produced but I could really do without this remaking of films with CGI. When Disney embraced the new technology for films like Tangled, Wreck-It Ralph and Frozen they created something beautiful and wonderful and original. This stuff is more of a technology sales pitch: "Hey, everyone. Isn't this so much better than a travelling matte? And just listen to what we can achieve with autotune!" Tangled I agree but not so much frozen. Story wise it's fresh but animation is quite basic compared to Tangled or even the original classics like Pinocchio or Sleeping beauty. When you look at the background characters and scenery (especially in the palace) it's quite basic compared to what they could do. Rewatching the original classics you realise how genius and whattrue artists the early animators were.The level of detail is incredible I read an interesting article about the software they created to do Elsa’s hair during her ice transformation. It allowed them give her something like three times as many individual hairs as any character’s hair before (I believe it was 300,000) and the software has since become the de facto hair amination programme. |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 11, 2019 16:11:09 GMT
First reviews out. The Guardian 3 stars (Didn't read the rest). Several other negative ones published as well. Do wonder if Disney is damaging it's legacy with all the live action ones - even if profit wise they extremely successful - the reputation hit in the long term could be damaging.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 11, 2019 18:34:56 GMT
And if more and more of them are of poorer quality Disney could have a 1980's style drop in reputation.
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Post by david on Jul 11, 2019 18:42:44 GMT
Just watched a clip of Hakuna Matata on YT. I’m definitely not impressed by it.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 11, 2019 20:09:56 GMT
Just watched a clip of Hakuna Matata on YT. I’m definitely not impressed by it. I can see this bombing at the cinema - it's that bad.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 11, 2019 20:21:12 GMT
58% on rotten tomatoes is very poor for a big budget disney film. Heads might roll at Disney if it underpefroms at the box office. However for the UK box office the tabloid press all seem to love it.
The Lion King has always been a strange movie for me because I saw the stage musical before I saw the film (This was because it had gone back into the vault before my parents started buying me disney films and didn't come back out till a few months after we saw the musical - being born in 1996 meant I never had Aladdin on VHS either as we finally got a dvd player by the time that had come back out.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 20:57:47 GMT
This is unlikely to flop (as much as I love a spectacular bomb!). The opening box office in US is expected to be $150million in the first weekend alone according to reports. Obviously this isn’t an exact science but the reviews aren’t terrrible, stating it’s a phenomenal step forward in CGI. According to wikipedia the budget is $250 million so will need around $500 million to break even. I wouldn’t be surprised if they reach this in the first weekend or so.
Don’t get me wrong, the whole thing reeks of creative bankruptcy to me but I feel in me boobs it’s gonna do very, very well
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Post by Jon on Jul 11, 2019 21:10:47 GMT
If Aladdin can make $900m with similar reviews, I’m sure Lion King will be fine.
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Post by Jon on Jul 11, 2019 21:16:26 GMT
Just watched a clip of Hakuna Matata on YT. I’m definitely not impressed by it. I can see this bombing at the cinema - it's that bad.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 11, 2019 22:04:14 GMT
If Aladdin can make $900m with similar reviews, I’m sure Lion King will be fine. I do wonder why they have done both - along with Toy Story 4- in the same summer. |
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Post by stuartmcd on Jul 11, 2019 23:00:41 GMT
Aladdin also had a very similar score on Rotten Tomatoes and I was ready to hate it. Yet I loved it and it’s made a crazy amount of money. I wouldn’t judge it on a clip either. The clip of Prince Ali they released for Aladdin was terrible but worked great in the context of the movie.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 11, 2019 23:53:09 GMT
I know it is hard to judge - but the mouth movements (particularly for the singing) look quite uncomfortable to me. Far more so than in the spoken dialogue (and comparing to the 'live action' Jungle Book remake)
It is easier to accept cartoon creatures singing than it is to imagine their real counterparts doing it. Speaking doesn't seem too much of a stretch but singing looks a bit strange.
Also, one of the issues for me is that the characters don't pop against the background quite as much. With everything being more 'natural', the natural camouflage effect kicks in.
Minor quibbles maybe - but I have yet to see enough to tempt me into the cinema
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Post by d'James on Jul 12, 2019 0:46:45 GMT
Don’t like Simba ad-libbing there.
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Post by kathryn on Jul 12, 2019 10:50:24 GMT
It'll make money. Films don't *need* to be good to make money - people pay *before* they see it!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 14:32:35 GMT
I can see this bombing at the cinema - it's that bad.
You can’t judge it solely on one clip. But I can decide if I want to spend my hard earned cash on it! And that has confirmed that I don't. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 15:10:04 GMT
You can’t judge it solely on one clip. Sure you can. That is literally the only reason why clips are released. It's like when people say you can't judge a book by the cover. If you weren't supposed to judge a book by the cover then the cover would be blank. |
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jul 12, 2019 16:37:16 GMT
It honestly looks awful. They literally just walk in a straight line and the editing is bizarre. It was not necessary for the cut to a wide shot and then cut back to almost the exact same angle as before, it showed nothing and I can only presume it was to hide the fact that nothing is happening in the seen. The characters look lifeless and expressionless and the lip sync is awkward and uncomfortable to look at. The only positive is the singing which funnily enough is the first time they seem to have gotten it right with heir live action remakes (Emma Watson and everyone but Jasmine in Aladdin sounded like robots and Jasmine's new song was inserted at such an awkward moment and did not fit with the style of music of the score at all). I hate that people are going to eat this up just because "Hey look it's a thing I recognise but shiny and new so I have to see it!" even though it's undoubtedly going to be worse in almost every way compared to the original. I understand enjoying it from a nostalgia perspective and I get that it's fun seeing these classic films in a new medium (and often some of them do have something new to offer as Jungle Book was decent, I've heard similar about Cinderella and there were some redeemable parts of Aladdin) but it's just frustrating knowing that it's funding Disney's pure laziness meaning well get more of these unoriginal, clinical cash-grabs that the market is already over-satueated with. I know I'm far too heated over a film I'm never going to see and I hope that I haven't offended anyone who enjoys these films it's just hard to ignore all the interesting and original films made by smaller creators with obvious passion and talent behind them getting ignored in favour of these lazy remakes that will be forgotten about in favour of the originals in a few years time.
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Post by Marwood on Jul 12, 2019 18:39:32 GMT
A quick question - how come Disney spends millions on ‘photo-realistic’ animals with a voiceover from the likes of Seth Rogen and Donald Glover and the masses go ‘oooh!’ yet poor old Johnny Morris did voiceovers of elephants and gorillas on tv, got accused of being demeaning to the animals and was shuffled off into the sunset in shame?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 21:13:14 GMT
A quick question - how come Disney spends millions on ‘photo-realistic’ animals with a voiceover from the likes of Seth Rogen and Donald Glover and the masses go ‘oooh!’ yet poor old Johnny Morris did voiceovers of elephants and gorillas on tv, got accused of being demeaning to the animals and was shuffled off into the sunset in shame? Because it’s not 40 years ago anymore? |
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Post by Dave25 on Jul 12, 2019 21:17:35 GMT
What really doesn't work for me is the photo-realistic animals, with no expression on their face at all, lifeless, and then only the mouth is moving like a human?
What on earth is that?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 0:30:56 GMT
It’s firmly in the uncanny valley. Watched the Hakuna Matata clip today and found myself thinking ‘lions don’t sing like that’ and realised that this is the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 4:31:08 GMT
I think that's the problem with some CGI animation. The realism of the images needs to be accompanied by realism in the movement. If you look at the way Disney handles its CGI human characters there are all sorts of tiny details in the movements that were never necessary with painted-cel animation but that are needed to make the characters feel alive and real. With animals, if you make them intensely stylised you can get away with having them do things animals can't do, but make them realistic and have them do unrealistic things and it creates a "swing and a miss" feeling.
It makes me think of the advice on photographing buildings I read when I got my first camera. Either stand way back to keep the film plane vertical so all the uprights are parallel or get in close and tip the camera firmly upwards to create strong converging verticals. Most people stand a short way back and tilt the camera a little to get the top in, and that creates the familiar "falling over backwards" effect. So either get it absolutely right or positively different, because if you don't make it clear which way you were aiming it'll just look like you tried and failed.
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Post by Sam on Jul 15, 2019 9:58:25 GMT
Managed to score a preview ticket to this at the weekend.
It was better than I was expecting, and everything, to me seemed to work better in context.
There were some funny new lines, some left out that I missed, some that felt a bit shoe-horned. Overall it's an enjoyable film, but it doesn't quite live up to the original.
I think the original had a perfect voice cast and the new one tries to find similar people, but they aren't different enough, or as good as the originals in many cases.
On a side note, Carrie Hope Fletcher sat next to my cousin, which was entertaining as my other cousin (the brother of the cousin I went with) used to date Carrie.
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