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Post by BVM on Sept 15, 2024 19:39:12 GMT
Indeed.
I’d like to see it somewhere smaller though really. It’s fundamentally a fairly intimate piece. Not really a family Palladium type thing.
Unless you were in front 10 rows Cats lost its impact in there IMHO.
Barbican be better.
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Post by blamerobots on Sept 15, 2024 19:59:18 GMT
I'm nevertheless happy this is even happening. A great show regardless.
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Post by mattnyc on Sept 15, 2024 20:00:20 GMT
I’d kill for a recreation of Hal Prince’s original staging.
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Post by Phantom of London on Sept 15, 2024 20:01:18 GMT
Did Evita (Open Air production) ever play the Barbican in the end?
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Post by blamerobots on Sept 15, 2024 20:01:24 GMT
BurlyBeaR are you able to merge 42ndBlvd's thread into this one... I think we got a double thread creation haha But as said in the other thread apparently this is Palladium Summer 2025 and stars have been asked. Andrew wanted Lady Gaga?
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Post by BVM on Sept 15, 2024 20:03:08 GMT
Did Evita (Open Air production) ever play the Barbican in the end? Sadly not! Another coronavirus casualty!
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Post by BVM on Sept 15, 2024 20:04:35 GMT
BurlyBeaR are you able to merge 42ndBlvd's thread into this one... I think we got a double thread creation haha But as said in the other thread apparently this is Palladium Summer 2025 and stars have been asked. Andrew wanted Lady Gaga? Interesting! Where has the rumour come from?! Is it a completely new production then? Still think Palladium wrong theatre for Evita but obvs I’d go. Repeatedly.
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Post by blamerobots on Sept 15, 2024 20:06:07 GMT
Palladium will work if they don't skimp out on set and direction. Evita's a great show anyways material wise so I suppose you could stage it as bare bones as possible but the Palladium commands some grandiosity. With Evita I think you either need to go all out or nothing at all, full Brecht or fully naturalistic. If the set looks awful then it serves to distract.
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Post by BVM on Sept 15, 2024 20:10:41 GMT
Palladium will work if they don't skimp out on set and direction. Evita's a great show anyways material wise so I suppose you could stage it as bare bones as possible but the Palladium commands some grandiosity. That’s my fear, they always skimp on sets lol. I’m fine with bare bones Evita as the piece is more than strong enough. But not in Palladium. Which I agree with you does indeed command some grandiosity. Can’t believe they asked Auli’i 😱😱
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Post by unseaworthy on Sept 15, 2024 20:11:03 GMT
This is another one of these shows that is revived all the time... It would be so nice to have something different
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Post by max on Sept 15, 2024 20:20:02 GMT
I’d kill for a recreation of Hal Prince’s original staging. I'd kill for that, too. I didn't see Jamie Lloyd's - with a great relationship (apparently) with ALW, that's likely isn't it? I could accept that. Really don't want to see any production that looks like a creaky stock touring show. I'm kind of shocked at how dated and cosy some people can make this show appear, as my memory of Hal Prince's production was so far from that. I still can't get over Kenwright's basic 'rags to riches' telling, with Eva singing 'Don't Cry For Me Argentina' to....the aristocracy. Eh? What?! Why?
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Post by PineappleForYou on Sept 15, 2024 20:32:43 GMT
Could the Jamie Lloyd version not be revived and slapped into the Barbican as was planned? After all the Regent's Park Jesus Christ Superstar was revived after a couple of years for the tour and I think of those productions as a pair. Fingers crossed it isn't the Leicester Curve version!
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Post by Phantom of London on Sept 15, 2024 20:33:00 GMT
Even though the London Palladium, which is singularly the greatest theatre in the world is big, it is never a barn like the Apollo, Dominion etc and for its size is quite intimate. If Cats can work there, Evita can too.
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Post by ceebee on Sept 15, 2024 20:33:03 GMT
Adelphi.
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Post by max on Sept 15, 2024 20:34:02 GMT
Palladium will work if they don't skimp out on set and direction. Evita's a great show anyways material wise so I suppose you could stage it as bare bones as possible but the Palladium commands some grandiosity. That’s my fear, they always skimp on sets lol. I’m fine with bare bones Evita as the piece is more than strong enough. But not in Palladium. Which I agree with you does indeed command some grandiosity. Can’t believe they asked Auli’i 😱😱 I may be misquoting, but the original 1978 black box production got a critic saying (compared to the real Buenos Aires) it had 'all the colour of an NCP car park', lol. But I'm absolutely here for the starkest white lighting, a skeletal set, and David Hersey's 'light curtain' which flashed so bright at the end of scenes you got an image a second later on the retina, and by the time you'd recovered the scene had changed.
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Post by BVM on Sept 15, 2024 20:37:05 GMT
Even though the London Palladium, which is singularly the greatest theatre in the world is big, it is never a barn like the Apollo, Dominion etc and for its size is quite intimate. If Cats can work there, Evita can too. I dunno. The Hal Prince, Grandage and Lloyd productions would all be lost in the Palladium. The least said about when the Kenwright version played the Dominion the better…..
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Post by blamerobots on Sept 15, 2024 20:47:32 GMT
I despised the revival productions. I thought the choreography and staging were just straight up awful and at times just an insult to the material. I'm biased towards Hal's version but I think the only production that's come close to being my favourite is from Asolo rep in 2017. The openning is beautiful: Yes, this is often what I point to when I want a maximalist naturalistic production haha
I think a production at the Palladium with an a big ensemble and lovely detailed set will do this show wonders. Evita needs a big ensemble.
The Kenwright version is such a crime against humanity I'd rather we just not talk about it as to not bring up any kind of trauma or curse related to it.
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Post by 42ndBlvd on Sept 15, 2024 20:48:30 GMT
Even though the London Palladium, which is singularly the greatest theatre in the world is big, it is never a barn like the Apollo, Dominion etc and for its size is quite intimate. If Cats can work there, Evita can too. I dunno. The Hal Prince, Grandage and Lloyd productions would all be lost in the Palladium. The least said about when the Kenwright version played the Dominion the better….. Lets not forget it played the Prince Edward which is not a small stage either.
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Post by BVM on Sept 15, 2024 20:49:30 GMT
Whilst I have great respect for the Hal Prince original and enjoyed it greatly (and no doubt he understood the piece) I do think nostalgia clouds judgment in wanting it replicated now.
Hal's version plonked on stage in 2025 I fear would be surprisingly underwhelming and I don't think would take off with today's audiences.
Very much up for an inspired new direction (assuming we can't have the Lloyd version which I adored) which preferably brings something new/unexpected/exciting to the piece.
(Anyway, probs getting ahead of ourselves - wonder if this thread will end up like the Dominion Bette Hello Dolly one lol - #obsolete)
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Post by BVM on Sept 15, 2024 20:51:54 GMT
I dunno. The Hal Prince, Grandage and Lloyd productions would all be lost in the Palladium. The least said about when the Kenwright version played the Dominion the better….. Lets not forget it played the Prince Edward which is not a small stage either. True. They do feel different though. PE is massive but feels (to me) more intimate. Maybe it's the width of The Palladium that makes it feel so vast....
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Post by unseaworthy on Sept 15, 2024 20:52:44 GMT
Is this a guess or is it confirmed?
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Post by blamerobots on Sept 15, 2024 20:53:10 GMT
Yes I do fear that plonking the Hal Prince version as said without any changes would be a mistake. It's had its time in my opinion.
Plus, I think I said this in another thread, but when they brought it back for the International Tour, the choreography got utterly mangled by the new orchestrations and the additions they had to make contractually like You Must Love Me were horribly done. I think without Hal Prince around to advise anyone anymore, throwing his staging out there again runs the risk of coming off as tasteless if it doesn't work. Plus, I don't think many would like the idea of using his name to parade around something that vaguely resembles his work when it isn't.
I think a new Palladium staging that really uses the venue has the promise.
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Post by idinafanzel on Sept 15, 2024 21:11:55 GMT
He’s only quoting the sweaty TikTok man. Who had the scoop first.
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Post by BVM on Sept 15, 2024 21:13:17 GMT
He’s only quoting the sweaty TikTok man. Who had the scoop first. Who is the sweaty TikTok man? Is he a reliable source?
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