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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 1:01:51 GMT
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Post by sf on Nov 9, 2018 1:44:05 GMT
I don't know if it's on the rise. It might be. I don't think it ever went away.
Or to put it another way, a few years ago I heard a man in my local supermarket complain out loud to the woman he was with that the rise in the cost of bread was all the fault of the "f***ing Jews". You would not have picked him out of a crowd. You don't have to look very far these days to find some very, very unpleasant opinions; if anything has changed recently, it might simply be that things that were always around us have moved into the open.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 6:29:44 GMT
I think anti-everything is on the rise, or at the very least people aren't ashamed of it any more. It seems to be the modern approach: divide humans into Us and Them and then blame Them for all the problems faced by Us. Everyone thinks that in their particular case "it's OK because it's true", but when you start tolerating that sort of thinking you don't get to control the Them that other people choose to blame and before long the hatred is everywhere. And then the people who were perfectly happy to hate one group of Them get angry because others are hating the wrong Them, and don't appreciate that there's really no difference.
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Post by joem on Nov 9, 2018 7:24:05 GMT
I agree that anti-everything is on the rise or maybe it is just perceived to be so due to new technologies. In olden times if you lived in a village with a population of three your resentments are going to go largely unnoticed but nowadays anyone, even in that small village, has access to a phone or the internet and is able to give full vent to all their bigotry.
There are all sorts of prejudices feeding off each other in the virtual cesspool. I have never felt so hated in my life even though I don't meddle with anyone and have tried to live my life behaving reasonably well towards others.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 13:02:10 GMT
I'm not really sure what the point of this question is or what sort of response you were expecting. Surely only the people who experience a prejudice are qualified to answer whether their experience of it is increasing? I don't see how the majority of people on this board can weigh in with any expertise or experience.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 13:27:00 GMT
There has been the ongoing story of it being an issue in the Labour Party - possibly because people of Jeremy Corbyn's political stance would likely favour Palestine over Israel.
It would be ironic if one of Corbyn's politically correct cronies was done for racism in this way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 14:34:11 GMT
Well, stood at the till at Cafe Nero, Euston last night and a guy walks in and declares himself a Nazi to everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 14:37:42 GMT
I don't see how the majority of people on this board can weigh in with any expertise or experience. It's pretty gratifying if they do, though - shows the majority are aware and sensitive to the situation. Depends what they say...! No, I agree, just wondered about the way the question was posed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 14:40:37 GMT
There has been the ongoing story of it being an issue in the Labour Party - possibly because people of Jeremy Corbyn's political stance would likely favour Palestine over Israel. It would be ironic if one of Corbyn's politically correct cronies was done for racism in this way. It's worth saying that supporting Palestinians isn't inherently antisemitic - it's just doing it by being racist towards Jews that is antisemitic. I know it's an obvious thing to say, but it doesn't seem to be obvious to a good proportion of Labour Party members (or indeed the shadow front bench...).
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Post by sf on Nov 9, 2018 19:33:52 GMT
I don't see how the majority of people on this board can weigh in with any expertise or experience. I'm not Jewish, but it's fairly obvious that somebody complaining out loud in the Co-Op that the cost of a sliced loaf is the fault of the "f***in Jews" - the example I cited - is being anti-semitic. You don't have to be Jewish to recognise anti-semitism. There's plenty of everyday racism out there, and you don't have to be a member of the minority group it targets to see it - and the fact that too many members of the white majority choose not to see it is part of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 19:42:08 GMT
Without wishing to cause too much offence to the OP, I do wonder if they know what antisemitism is.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 9, 2018 20:30:08 GMT
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 9, 2018 20:32:09 GMT
Without wishing to cause too much offence to the OP, I do wonder if they know what antisemitism is. No offence caused to me, but I am wondering if I do know the answer now
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 9, 2018 20:34:50 GMT
There has been the ongoing story of it being an issue in the Labour Party - possibly because people of Jeremy Corbyn's political stance would likely favour Palestine over Israel. It would be ironic if one of Corbyn's politically correct cronies was done for racism in this way. It's worth saying that supporting Palestinians isn't inherently antisemitic - it's just doing it by being racist towards Jews that is antisemitic. I know it's an obvious thing to say, but it doesn't seem to be obvious to a good proportion of Labour Party members (or indeed the shadow front bench...). Think that one might be me, apart from the Labour party bit
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 20:58:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 23:25:30 GMT
I don't see how the majority of people on this board can weigh in with any expertise or experience. I'm not Jewish, but it's fairly obvious that somebody complaining out loud in the Co-Op that the cost of a sliced loaf is the fault of the "f***in Jews" - the example I cited - is being anti-semitic. You don't have to be Jewish to recognise anti-semitism. There's plenty of everyday racism out there, and you don't have to be a member of the minority group it targets to see it - and the fact that too many members of the white majority choose not to see it is part of the problem. Oh God. I'm clearly not saying that people can't recognise racism that's not directed at them personally. I just wondered whether people who don't experience a particular kind of racism are really qualified to say whether or not it's on the increase. Because that judgement does seem to be down to personal experience.
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Post by lynette on Nov 10, 2018 0:23:23 GMT
It is interesting to see how Roald Dahl is viewed now: no longer eligible for stamp status because of his antisemitic opinions. Some of us knew all about his opinions, have done for years and yet we all read the books to our kids. Hard to separate the man from the art. ( thank goodness nobody wrote down what Shakespeare said in the pub) But I’m pleased that antisemitism is more fully recognised and understood than it was so perhaps it hasn’t increased but is now discussable in the public arena.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Nov 10, 2018 7:33:00 GMT
It is interesting to see how Roald Dahl is viewed now: no longer eligible for stamp status because of his antisemitic opinions. Some of us knew all about his opinions, have done for years and yet we all read the books to our kids. Hard to separate the man from the art. ( thank goodness nobody wrote down what Shakespeare said in the pub) But I’m pleased that antisemitism is more fully recognised and understood than it was so perhaps it hasn’t increased but is now discussable in the public arena. Fascinating. I never knew till your post and then Google brought me this article www.timesofisrael.com/anti-semitic-roald-dahl-kept-off-uk-commemorative-coins/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 10:06:25 GMT
Antisemitism isn't on the rise in my opinion, it's always been there often bubbling away under the surface. The difference now is that with the explosion in social media, it's so much easier for people to vent their spleen (often anonymously) that we're more aware of it when perhaps it would have normally stayed in the pub or around the dinner table.
In my experience antisemitism is rarely directed at you in such an aggressive way, it's usually snide, snarky and passive aggressively under the surface thereby seeming more "acceptable" to most people.
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Post by NeilVHughes on Nov 10, 2018 11:49:53 GMT
Antisemintism is an issue that is ingrained and believe has existed below the surface at a consistent level, British history is littered with the persecution of the Jewish community culminating but not ending with the edict of expulsion in 1290. The only difference now is the bigots feel more empowered to make their feelings known.
I have always been intrigued how the sense of Jewish community continues to survive and thrive through/despite their treatment through history, many nations have been and gone through whilst the Jewish community continues to thrive.
The internal conflict I have Is the inability to differentiate support for Palestinians as being automatically anti-Semitic, I am equally opinionated of any Nation which uses their power to persecute. My bugbear is the unnecessary loss of innocent lives, I do not have any hierarchy in the perpetrators and feel the same way for Palestinians as I do for the Rohingya persecution in Myanmar, the current situation in Yemen, and countless others around the World.
Even mentioning the Palestinian angle makes me feel uncomfortable, the threat of being considered anti-Semitic is always there and had to think deeply about contributing to this thread.
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Post by lynette on Nov 10, 2018 12:28:19 GMT
Your phrase 'around the dinner table' Ryan, describes precisely the kind of anti semitism I feel exists in the U.K. It can be uncomfortable and very tricky to counter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 15:28:38 GMT
There is a difference between Antisemitism and Jewish jokes or in this politically correct society are those jokes now considered none PC. The Jewish comedians have always been very self mocking so I'd hope no-one has decided they are offended for them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 19:07:28 GMT
Also there's an absolute GULF of a difference between self-deprecation and a hate crime, sooo.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 9:44:12 GMT
I think anti disability is also on the rise. As a disabled person that is worrying
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Post by olliebean on Nov 12, 2018 10:02:31 GMT
I think anti disability is also on the rise. As a disabled person that is worrying Especially worrying as it is being driven by government policy.
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