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Post by SageStageMgr on Jul 5, 2017 11:31:46 GMT
The West End revival was the second tour, just beefed up a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 11:37:57 GMT
The West End revival was the second tour, just beefed up a bit. My mistake, I always understood the west end revival to be a brand new set / reimagined.
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Post by wickedgrin on Jul 5, 2017 12:27:07 GMT
The blinds were the original production at Drury Lane, directed by Nicholas Hytner.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 8, 2017 7:02:31 GMT
I'm seeing the tour this afternoon and will report back.
I wonder when the alternate gets her show/s? This is the first matinée so maybe this will be her chance, which would be interesting. I have already seen Sooha in London, so would be quite happy if that was the case.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 8, 2017 18:07:18 GMT
Just got in. It's a great production and seems the same quality as the West End. From memory the stage is set to be smaller than at the PE but actually i think it's the better for it as the set looks better and the stage much busier compared to sometimes a feeling of vast empty space at the PE.
Sooha Kim as Kim was great and just as i remembered her. I would maybe like some more power in her vocals at times as it tends to lean a bit too much on the side of prettiness and daintiness to me, which actually sums her whole performance up. I would have been interested to see Eva because from the clips she seems to portray a much stronger character than Sooha, also reflected in what i can gather from her voice so the contrast would have been interesting. But Sooha is great don't get me wrong and is my only frame of reference anyway as i've only seen her.
Red Conception as The Engineer....LOVED HIM! Not much more to say. I thought he was brilliant and just as good as Jon Jon in my opinion and my absolute stand out, i was always excited for him to appear. He was CRAZED. He also has a good voice and sang the score more than Jon Jon, with less 'talk singing'.
I was really pleasantly surprised by Ashley Gilmour....out of the cast he was the one i was sceptical about when he was cast. I saw him as Link in Hairspray and really didn't take to him in that at all and thought he seemed a bit wooden and lifeless.....he proved me wrong. I thought he was great, a much better voice than i anticipated and on display in Links songs, doing justice to his songs in the score, and he portrayed a very emotional and endearing Chris. I thought he was better than Chris Peluso.
Ryan O Gorman hands down better than Hugh Maynard. I just found Hugh so annoying as John for no real reason, for some reason i just did. I liked Ryan's portrayal a lot, it felt a lot more authentic and what you would expect from a cocky American G.I but then also still naturally more sensitive later in the show, and his voice was fantastic and really powerful. He was really great and i'd be interested to see him in whatever he does next.
I didn't take to the Thuy much. His acting was fine though he didn't quite manage to be that intimidating and was constantly battling to deliver the notes, he seems to have a limited voice to me and he was seen to be trying way harder than he should be when singing. I can't recall who played him during the performance i saw in London but he was definitely a lot stronger than this tour Thuy, who lacked a real operatic voice and stature in my opinion.
Marsha great as Gigi again though i remember her Movie In My Mind (one of my faves) being more impressive when i saw her in London, but it was still good.
I liked Zoe as Ellen in the end, i was unsure at first in the elevated bedroom scene but then she later delivered a very raw Maybe and you really bought into her from then on.
There were moments i felt the emotion during the show when i didn't really in London. Maybe i was just feeling extra emotional today but i don't remember anything getting to me in London where as there were times in the 2nd act i must say i was welling up here.
From what i can gather Cameron was in today...though i didn't see him.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 10, 2017 11:16:01 GMT
For anyone interested, the alternate Kim does Thursday evenings and Saturday matinees in Leicester. She wasn't on this past sat, it was Sooha Kim, as i said above, but i guess that's because Cameron was in to watch. I do have a ticket to the last matinee (i booked in for this past Saturday last min because i was too impatient to wait till then) so i think i will still use that ticket just out of curiosity to see her.
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Post by theatre on Jul 12, 2017 6:45:20 GMT
Question about the Prince Edward production - does anyone know why the production closed reasonably quickly? Was it simply that the demand wasn't there or was it the desire to get it over to the US? It seems strange to me that Les Mis can run for 30 years (admittedly in a much smaller theatre) and the revival of this didn't even make it to two.
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Post by LaLuPone on Jul 12, 2017 7:32:29 GMT
Question about the Prince Edward production - does anyone know why the production closed reasonably quickly? Was it simply that the demand wasn't there or was it the desire to get it over to the US? It seems strange to me that Les Mis can run for 30 years (admittedly in a much smaller theatre) and the revival of this didn't even make it to two. From what I read somewhere else it was that the demand wasn't there which is a shame, I think if it was going to keep making money over here they would have built a new set to ship over to Broadway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 8:04:24 GMT
Question about the Prince Edward production - does anyone know why the production closed reasonably quickly? Was it simply that the demand wasn't there or was it the desire to get it over to the US? It seems strange to me that Les Mis can run for 30 years (admittedly in a much smaller theatre) and the revival of this didn't even make it to two. From what I read somewhere else it was that the demand wasn't there which is a shame, I think if it was going to keep making money over here they would have built a new set to ship over to Broadway. So it was pretty much sold out for first 6 months then tailed off so I think it was sales that closed it. Agree had it remained highly profitable they'd have kept it running and built a new set for NYC. Anecdotally every time I went I was surrounded by people who had seen it before and were very excited to revisit it. I think once all the return business died down it struggled. Perhaps it failed to find new fans? A great shame for an epic show. But style wise (sung through original score) it was of the 80s and sadly the appetite of the GBP for these things has waned.
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Post by daniel on Jul 12, 2017 8:54:39 GMT
Yes sadly sales just weren't good enough, especially in the second year where I think the Upper Circle was closed more than it was open.
That said, I think the length of run was fairly accurate to what they were expecting, as many of the tour dates were already pencilled in around the time that the West End run opened.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 15:45:03 GMT
Warning - this video contains a topless Ashley Gilmore. You have been warned. ⚠️
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Post by Dave25 on Jul 12, 2017 16:12:48 GMT
I think this is very usual for revivals. Shows like Phantom and les Mis have been playing forever without pause and are mainly visited by tourists who visit the legendary, long running shows.
For the last 10 years (until the revival) many people in the general population or tourists did not know Miss Saigon (at least not as well as Phantom or Les Mis) so for many, this revival has just been something new and unknown. They have done a very good job at hiding the show in the 10 years before the revival. It's only until now that the hype is starting again, with the revival, the filmed 25th version and the Broadway revival and Uk Tour.
With that said, I do think Miss Saigon has a huge fanbase, consisting of people who have seen it before. Which explains the very successful first year.
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Post by richey on Jul 12, 2017 17:13:45 GMT
Warning - this video contains a topless Ashley Gilmore. You have been warned. ⚠️ More interested in Ryan 😜
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 15:29:06 GMT
Caught the matinee of this yesterday in Leicester Curve.
Christian Rey Marbella was on as the Engineer who was good but his accent was all over the place. American, Vietnamese, and anywhere in between. Some of his lines in the busy scenes (Dreamland, Girls etc) got lost. They seem to have combatted the issue of a rather loud Ensemble 'rhubarb-ing' making principal dialogue hard to make out in London but there were still times that background noise and stage movement drowned out some speech. Sooha Kim was a wonderfully innocent Kim and played it just as well as Eva on London. Great casting there. Ashley and Ryan worked well together as Chris and John, however I felt Zoe Doano was fairly weak with Ellen. Her voice really struggled with the low notes on in the verse of 'I still Believe'. And 'Maybe', well maybe. Again as with Kwang-Ho Hong as Thuy in London I struggled at times with some of the intelligibility of his lines, I think a thick native accent was potentially the issue here.
Overall the show felt smooth but lacked some of the fluidity of the London production I saw in early 2016 but this production is still in its infancy. With time some of the fight sequences will tighten up. I was sat in the back row of the stalls and from the conversation going on behind me in the tech box the resident director was in. He (or whoever he was) was stood with his hands on his head for the duration of American Dream... probably unhappy that the PA was feeding back quite badly and the sound was quite weird. Not sure what happened as most of the rest of the show sounded alright. The second act seemed a bit more under-rehearsed than the first but that was not necessarily down to Christian's performance as Engineer (who I guess hasn't had much opportunity on yet in the first month) but it lacked the polish of the first act.
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Post by ali973 on Jul 21, 2017 15:36:51 GMT
I saw CRM in London and thought he made a horrible Engineer.
On another note, I heard that "the dance" segment has now been cut ("My name is Kim..I like you Chris.."), and that Dreamland immediately shifts into Kim's room and into "Why God Why?"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 15:47:47 GMT
I saw CRM in London and thought he made a horrible Engineer. On another note, I heard that "the dance" segment has now been cut ("My name is Kim..I like you Chris.."), and that Dreamland immediately shifts into Kim's room and into "Why God Why?" He wasn't horrible, some bits were good, funny as they should be, but some bits just got lost I felt. I think his issue is Jon-Jon did such a good Engineer that his boots were hard to fill and CRM didn't want to just be a carbon copy of JJB so he's tried to make him his own in some ways effectively and in others less so. I was rather disappointed to travel to Leicester and not see Red as thats one of the main reasons I went down for it, to see his interpretation. The saxophone solo / My name is etc was all still in it. I think some bits from act 2 have gone, but I couldn't say for sure what
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Post by Dave25 on Jul 21, 2017 20:42:16 GMT
The second act seemed a bit more under-rehearsed than the first but that was not necessarily down to Christian's performance as Engineer (who I guess hasn't had much opportunity on yet in the first month) but it lacked the polish of the first act. That's what I felt in the London production too, the second act felt under-rehearsed. Especially with Eva as Kim. With Tanya it felt a bit more natural, as she's a better actress which could save some of the strange direction choices. For example, in Too much for one heart it felt like a rehearsal where Eva had no idea what to do or how to handle her lines and her acting moments. In the scene after Bangkok, where John meets the Engineer and Kim (Can you take me to Chris, I can leave here right now, one month at sea, etc) was staged very amateurish and they gave the Engineer some lines and the whole thing became very amateurish and unnatural. Then Kim walks offstage and sings the line 'Come see love, come see Chris" when she's actually already off stage and then the Engineer is waiting there for his next line. It all looks and feels messy and weird and out of focus. The focus should be on Kim there. Also, what really bothered me, especially in the 2nd act, was that Eva avoided some beautifully written angelic high notes. For example, "He's been waiting for his father, for a long long while", or "And he's teaching him to fly, paper dragons in the sky". These angelic high notes is what makes Kim beautiful, sweet and vulnerable compared to her other, stronger side. This kind of singing makes her more like a Disney princess instead of just a strong belting highschool girl without a proper head voice. But she has never sung them. Not even in the CD version and not on the DVD version. While every other Kim I have seen did sing them, even Tanya Manalang and Julia Abueva in the Londion revival did sing them. On one day I saw Sooha Kim in London, and her voice seemed to have much more of this angelic quality than Eva's, but to my surprise she avoided the notes too! In fact, she literally copied the revival cd version of Eva, and imitated all of Eva's mistakes. It really was as if they just gave her the cd to practice. So I am really curious if they properly rehearsed Sooha again and she now sings the right parts? Can you please elaborate on that?
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Post by Dave25 on Jul 21, 2017 20:42:49 GMT
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Jul 22, 2017 6:57:11 GMT
Have seen Red twice as Engineer and then saw CRM on the Thrusday. So the only two I had seen play the role. Red was fantastic. CRM not so much.
Red was actually around at least for the matinee because I met him. Don't know why he wasn't on. Although he asked if I was seeing it that day, I said yes, he said I'd see Chuck.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 8:26:05 GMT
The second act seemed a bit more under-rehearsed than the first but that was not necessarily down to Christian's performance as Engineer (who I guess hasn't had much opportunity on yet in the first month) but it lacked the polish of the first act. ... So I am really curious if they properly rehearsed Sooha again and she now sings the right parts? Can you please elaborate on that? I don't know the score well enough to comment on this I'm afraid. Sooha seemed confident and unique in the role throughout.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 22, 2017 8:51:03 GMT
I have only seen Sooha in the role so i don't know specifically but from memory she did sing high notes in those songs. She is general has quite a high and dainty voice doesn't she? In fact i wanted a bit more from her lower register and belt, not less.
I was going to go today and see Joreen in the role, who has got some great reviews on twitter. Sadly due to ill health (again) i won't be going, dunno if Theatre is on the cards for a while now, just as everything is on. Very sad about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 9:30:07 GMT
I have only seen Sooha in the role so i don't know specifically but from memory she did sing high notes in those songs. She is general has quite a high and dainty voice doesn't she? In fact i wanted a bit more from her lower register and belt, not less. I was going to go today and see Joreen in the role, who has got some great reviews on twitter. Sadly due to ill health (again) i won't be going, dunno if Theatre is on the cards for a while now, just as everything is on. Very sad about it. She pulled off the Low A in the verse of 'I still believe' better than Zoe though.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 22, 2017 17:17:24 GMT
Caught the matinee today and in my rush to catch the train back to London, I forgot to look at the cast board, so assume Joreen Bautista was on as the alternate Kim? Thought she was good, did a earnest job. Also was Red Concepcion (strange name, wouldn't like to introduce him at a dinner party) back as the engineer? If so I enjoyed his performance, he played the role differently than Jon Jon Birones, I thought Jon just edged it though, which is still very high praise.
Ashley Gilmour is the best Chris I have seen so far by a matinee mile, also loved Zoe Doana as Ellen. Ryan O'Goram played the role different from the West End, John was played wrong in the West End.
If you haven't seen the West End production, you wouldn't know any different, the helicopter was better than the West End. Jean-Pierre Van Der Spuy, the director - has put his own mark on this production, some welcome, although I didn't enjoy the extra use of profanity. Don't be put off from seeing this because it is a tour. I must be getting sentimental in my old age, after seeing the original and the revival several times, this still brings a tear to my eye, as there is something very tender and humane to the story.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 18:09:32 GMT
Caught the matinee today and in my rush to catch the train back to London, I forgot to look at the cast board, so assume Joreen Bautista was on as the alternate Kim? Thought she was good, did a earnest job. Also was Red Concepcion (strange name, wouldn't like to introduce him at a dinner party) back as the engineer? If so I enjoyed his performance, he played the role differently than Jon Jon Birones, I thought Jon just edged it though, which is still very high praise. Ashley Gilmour is the best Chris I have seen so far by a matinee mile, also loved Zoe Doana as Ellen. Ryan O'Goram played the role different from the West End, John was played wrong in the West End. If you haven't seen the West End production, you wouldn't know any different, the helicopter was better than the West End. Jean-Pierre Van Der Spuy, the director - has put his own mark on this production, some welcome, although I didn't enjoy the extra use of profanity. Don't be put off from seeing this because it is a tour. I must be getting sentimental in my old age, after seeing the original and the revival several times, this still brings a tear to my eye, as there is something very tender and humane to the story. Red Concepcion is a little larger than the alternate engineer so thats one way to tell if it was him. Ashley Gilmour did seem to be drowning in his shirt in the Dreamland scene to me. Anyone else think this? The helicopter scene seemed longer to me, like the helicopter spent more time on stage, but there seemed to be alot of people getting into it, more than I would imagine a helicopter of that size could seat. But technically I thought that scene was the same as West End. How would you say it was different to West End?
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Post by d'James on Jul 22, 2017 20:59:03 GMT
Caught the matinee today and in my rush to catch the train back to London, I forgot to look at the cast board, so assume Joreen Bautista was on as the alternate Kim? Thought she was good, did a earnest job. Also was Red Concepcion (strange name, wouldn't like to introduce him at a dinner party) back as the engineer? If so I enjoyed his performance, he played the role differently than Jon Jon Birones, I thought Jon just edged it though, which is still very high praise. Ashley Gilmour is the best Chris I have seen so far by a matinee mile, also loved Zoe Doana as Ellen. Ryan O'Goram played the role different from the West End, John was played wrong in the West End. If you haven't seen the West End production, you wouldn't know any different, the helicopter was better than the West End. Jean-Pierre Van Der Spuy, the director - has put his own mark on this production, some welcome, although I didn't enjoy the extra use of profanity. Don't be put off from seeing this because it is a tour. I must be getting sentimental in my old age, after seeing the original and the revival several times, this still brings a tear to my eye, as there is something very tender and humane to the story. Red Concepcion is a little larger than the alternate engineer so thats one way to tell if it was him. Ashley Gilmour did seem to be drowning in his shirt in the Dreamland scene to me. Anyone else think this? The helicopter scene seemed longer to me, like the helicopter spent more time on stage, but there seemed to be alot of people getting into it, more than I would imagine a helicopter of that size could seat. But technically I thought that scene was the same as West End. How would you say it was different to West End? Haha. Yeah I thought that when I saw it in London, too many people got into the helicopter. Maybe it was meant to represent more than one helicopter.
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