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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 9:03:13 GMT
Out of interest, has anyone here ever seen a play so bad that they asked for their money back, and were you ever granted a refund? I've had a couple where I was tempted (and one where I emailed the box office about an extremely negative experience without requesting anything, and was offered house seats for a return trip), but I've never actually done it and would be fascinated to hear any stories, whether you ultimately got a refund or no.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 9:08:38 GMT
People certainly tried it when I worked in Box Office though because that venue was largely 'those witches weren't green enough' and 'Faye off of Steps was a bit sh*t' (she wasn't) we never granted them. HOWEVER we did at the Sherman when a regular had a horrible experience at one play, which in part was a sound (i.e it was unexpectedly loud) and in part was content wise he found very uncomfortable. The latter was an example of a smallish venue and a regular customer, but still.
I do think, and I'm pretty sure I've heard of some theatres refunding for unexpectedly upsetting works where people have had to/wanted to leave (but that's more into trigger warning territory than 'it was just so bad')
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 9:22:09 GMT
But what does "so bad" mean?
And why didn't I think of that when I went to see 'Hamilton'?
Dear Dame Mackintosh,
I recently went to see 'Hamilton' and . . . .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 10:10:28 GMT
Actually been wondering the same recently. If you went to a restaurant and weren't happy with the meal (undercooked meat for example) you'd bring it up and expect compensation to some extent but I don't think this culture exists in theatre, yet. Actually probably a good thing it doesn't exist because it brings up the questions of moral implications.... There are people out there that would take advantage of a venue actually offering refunds if you said you didn't enjoy a production. It also comes down to taste to some extent. How do you quantify a 'terrible play'? Whats dire to one could be amazing to another. Back to the resteraunt example but you wouldn't get a refund for a meal if you merely didn't like it. However, if a production is not up to scratch, eg poor sound design meaning you can't hear whats going on, should you be entitled to compensation of sorts?
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Post by wickedgrin on Oct 22, 2018 10:19:04 GMT
Yes I have requested a refund! Only once and got a credit note from the ATG theatre for the ticket price. I have wiped it from my memory it was so bad but it was a touring "thriller" which was anything but thrilling with the cast not knowing their lines. The "star" Gillian Taylforth was dreadful. When I complained I got the impression I was not the first!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 10:35:22 GMT
Yes I have requested a refund! Only once and got a credit note from the ATG theatre for the ticket price. I have wiped it from my memory it was so bad but it was a touring "thriller" which was anything but thrilling with the cast not knowing their lines. The "star" Gillian Taylforth was dreadful. When I complained I got the impression I was not the first! I mean really. You chose to see a play with Gillian Taylforth as the star then you ask for a refund. If I were the Box Office Manager, I'd have said that you got everything you deserved. Thank heavens you didn't have to stop in a lay-by on the way home and saw her again. Then you'd really have something to complain about!
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Post by Sam on Oct 22, 2018 10:38:56 GMT
I think the Mayflower had a scheme last year for one of the ballets they were showing that you could get a refund if you didn't like it, as a means of getting people to try something outside their comfort zone.
I think I would feel too awkward to take them up on it.
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Post by ellie1981 on Oct 22, 2018 10:45:42 GMT
I wish I could have done this with Pippin earlier in the year. I’ve only ever done it a couple of times with films, before I had the Unlimited card. I was tempted to do it for Avatar when I only paid £1 uplift for 3D at the time.
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Post by Backdrifter on Oct 22, 2018 10:51:43 GMT
Yes I have requested a refund! Only once and got a credit note from the ATG theatre for the ticket price. I have wiped it from my memory it was so bad but it was a touring "thriller" which was anything but thrilling with the cast not knowing their lines. The "star" Gillian Taylforth was dreadful. When I complained I got the impression I was not the first! I mean really. You chose to see a play with Gillian Taylforth as the star then you ask for a refund. If I were the Box Office Manager, I'd have said that you got everything you deserved. Thank heavens you didn't have to stop in a lay-by on the way home and saw her again. Then you'd really have something to complain about! Oh now this is very funny indeed. I've never even considered saying anything to staff when emerging from a terrible production, let alone asking for a refund. It seems a daft idea; if you pay money for any kind of creative art form - regardless of whether it incorporates Gillian Taylforth (and if it does, come on) - you are surely tacitly accepting that it might not be any good. No venue is guaranteeing you a good time!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 22, 2018 12:06:42 GMT
If it’s that bad I’d be gone by the interval.
Maybe that’s a better strategy? “I’m leaving halfway through because it’s crap, now I’d like my money back please”.
That’s assuming Clint from the BO isn’t now on ice cream duties.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 22, 2018 12:10:48 GMT
I think it very much depend on what you mean by 'terrible'. If you mean you thought it was badly written, then personally I'd say bad luck, that's the punt you take. Besides, I always find that seeing a bad play makes seeing the next good play even better.
However if there are technical problems, or actors continually fluff lines etc then yet those are very valid reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 12:27:58 GMT
I think I would feel too awkward to take them up on it. I assume they were counting on exactly that attitude. I wonder how many people actually took up the chance.
I have occasionally seen things where it's clear that someone really hasn't put in the effort, but usually it's a matter of inexcusably poor writing than a poor performance and it hardly seems fair to penalise the people who have to do their utmost in a futile attempt to bring this crap to life. If there was the opportunity to slap the writer with a rotting haddock then I might go for that, but as yet no production has made that particular offer.
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Post by joem on Oct 22, 2018 12:30:20 GMT
If the audience is really bad would the theatre be entitled to ask for more money at the end?
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Post by crabtree on Oct 22, 2018 12:36:33 GMT
I should have asked for the money for a play I saw in Oxford in the 70's starring Gerald harper and Anne Aston from The golden shot. The paly was called The Sing of the times, and there were understudies on but even the regular cast were shaky beyond words. ….literally. Everything about it made the Noises Off 'Nothing On' look like a polished performance. They were dying on stage and I felt sorry for them. Simply the worst thing I have ever seen, and I have been scarred by it since. I would have liked my money back for a performance of the Maureen Lipman / Hugh Jackman Oklahoma which ground to a halt just before the dream ballet and that was that. A huge amount had been spent getting me and my sister there, but I gather a performance has to run under a certain length before they will refund.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 12:49:35 GMT
Can you imagine how many unscrupulous people would claim that the show was so awful just to get their money back? If there was the opportunity to slap the writer with a rotting haddock then I might go for that, but as yet no production has made that particular offer. We should definitely be able to do that. The writer should be made to stand in the foyer when the curtain drops for every show. And you should be able to pick which fish you slap them with.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 13:06:22 GMT
Yes I have requested a refund! Only once and got a credit note from the ATG theatre for the ticket price. I have wiped it from my memory it was so bad but it was a touring "thriller" which was anything but thrilling with the cast not knowing their lines. The "star" Gillian Taylforth was dreadful. When I complained I got the impression I was not the first! I mean really. You chose to see a play with Gillian Taylforth as the star then you ask for a refund. If I were the Box Office Manager, I'd have said that you got everything you deserved. Thank heavens you didn't have to stop in a lay-by on the way home and saw her again. Then you'd really have something to complain about! I knew that name rang a bell.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 13:11:16 GMT
It never entered my head to ask for a refund when I left “Little Voice” at the Park at the interval. I did, however, ask for and get a refund at the National when someone’s hearing aid was interfering with the audio.
I lived in the US for a while so I think I am more comfortable than most saying “this was terrible, let’s fix it” but I never think it extends to theatre.
Interestingly, I interview people a lot as part of my job and I recently idenfied that my “debilitating politeness” meant I spend time with people who are clearly a no because I want them to have a good experience.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 13:29:31 GMT
If the audience is really bad would the theatre be entitled to ask for more money at the end? It's a shame there's not a way they could do that with people who misbehave. Well, there are several ways, but not ways that are legal.
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Post by hannechalk on Oct 22, 2018 13:57:36 GMT
It is a difficult one - if you didn't enjoy it, it doesn't mean others didn't.
I hated Flashdance, but as we were walking out complaining, others were enthusing how fantastic it was, and the best show they've ever seen.
I think if there were lots of technical issues, or a cast who didn't know the show, then I would ask for a refund.
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Post by jamb0r on Oct 22, 2018 14:05:18 GMT
I complained about the Ghost the Musical Tour at the New Wimbledon theatre with Sarah Harding. Mainly because they were using production images and footage from the original West End production to advertise the show on social media, and what we got was a complete money making scam of a show with the worst sets, 'effects' and performances I've ever seen on a stage. They gave me top price tickets to any other show that I chose in compensation.
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Post by wickedgrin on Oct 22, 2018 14:22:24 GMT
True funny story - although it does not involve a refund.
I was at a touring play in Eastbourne (not starring Gillian Taylforth but another well known female "star"). My companion and I went outside in the interval for a cigarette and I started telling my friend EXACTLY what I thought of the play which involved me saying how well the cast were dealing with such poor material and how the play could have been SO much better. A guy was near us, also smoking, who got involved in the conversation and he asked if we thought the play would make the West End - I responded by saying that it didn't have a chance in hell! Of course he turned out to be the author!!!
The play (as yet) has not made the West End despite I think a re-write and a change of "star"!
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Post by Backdrifter on Oct 22, 2018 14:38:51 GMT
If the audience is really bad would the theatre be entitled to ask for more money at the end? It's a shame there's not a way they could do that with people who misbehave. Well, there are several ways, but not ways that are legal. A crossover into Bad Audience Behaviour - a few years ago at Jersey Boys my sister and her friends' enjoyment was ruined by two shrieking, shouting women in the row in front of them, who when asked to be quiet became shrieking, shouting, snarling abusive women. My sister's party complained to staff, who asked the miscreants to quieten down (I don't think they did) but also moved my sister and her friends to another part of the auditorium. They were also given comps for a performance later in the run, which they fully enjoyed problem-free.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 15:05:10 GMT
If it’s that bad I’d be gone by the interval. Maybe that’s a better strategy? “I’m leaving halfway through because it’s crap, now I’d like my money back please”. That’s assuming Clint from the BO isn’t now on ice cream duties. That's their policy at the cinema here (well, similar). Leave before an hour if you don't like the movie and you get your money back
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Post by Jon on Oct 22, 2018 15:11:14 GMT
If it’s that bad I’d be gone by the interval. Maybe that’s a better strategy? “I’m leaving halfway through because it’s crap, now I’d like my money back please”. That’s assuming Clint from the BO isn’t now on ice cream duties. That's their policy at the cinema here (well, similar). Leave before an hour if you don't like the movie and you get your money back An hour seems a bit much unless that includes ads and trailers especially films that are only 90-100 minutes! My local it's 40 minutes including ads and trailers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 16:08:34 GMT
I complained about a Scott Alan gig at the Hippodrome where he was so drunk he was just using the night as a free therapy session. Oooh was he divulging hidden dark secrets? Asking for advice? I wish I'd gone now.
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