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Post by anthony40 on Nov 24, 2018 23:23:39 GMT
I figured it would come down to the two of them.
For me Lauren was by far the weakest.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 0:14:39 GMT
Nothing confirmed on Strictly Spoiler site yet.
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Post by hannechalk on Nov 25, 2018 1:50:47 GMT
Not 100% confirmed but Lauren v Graeme Graeme out is the leading rumour so far On the Strictly Spoiler, but he stresses it's unconfirmed and could not be true, it was between Ashley and Graeme, and Graeme is out. But as he couldn't confirm it with usual sources, it might not be true.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 25, 2018 8:16:01 GMT
Now confirmed it’s Graeme.
Travesty that Ashley was bottom two. But the judges are turning on her now, and being more picky than they are with some of the others in order to make make sure she doesn’t win.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 10:10:36 GMT
Now confirmed it’s Graeme. Travesty that Ashley was bottom two. But the judges are turning on her now, and being more picky than they are with some of the others in order to make make sure she doesn’t win. It's quite right they're being more picky with her though. She's supposed to be this "amazing" dancer but she's not made any improvement since the beginning really. The dancers who are good from the beginning rarely win anyway. It doesn't help that she's got all the personality and stage presence of a dish mop either.
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Post by vdcni on Nov 25, 2018 10:32:28 GMT
I love Strictly conspiracy theories, on another forum I read that they undermarked her as 40's every week won't get her votes, here it's to get rid of her!
I doubt they need to do anything to get rid of her, she's too good to win and won't have the votes, file her with Danny Mac and Alexandra.
Shame because with Kate and Graeme gone she's the only one left with an ounce of personality and although always a good dancer has became much stronger technically and better at selling a Strictly dance.
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Post by lynette on Nov 25, 2018 10:56:12 GMT
As Ashley got the lindyhop points as well it means hardly anyone voted for her. People obviously voting for Lauren cos she is obviously a determined person and AJ has a following I expect. I know it wasn’t epoch making but her dance was more 'honest' than Graeme's - stoopid way of putting it it but I can’t think how else to say it. Ashley needs to do a perfect ballroom to stay in. Too much hopping and skipping for the Grandmas. The kids are out at Xmas parties so only the old uns and the little uns left to vote.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Nov 25, 2018 14:20:50 GMT
It is a pretty clear indication that Ashley won't have the public support to win
Which many have long suspected but had no proof either way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 14:23:28 GMT
Ashley and Pasha won the Lindy-hop-a-thon so were then joint 2nd on the leaderboard and would have got 6 points along with Kevin and the Dooley. Faye and Gio would have been 7 points, Joe and Di 5 points etc down to AJ and Lauren on 2 points.
If Ashley and Pasha were in the bottom two they must have come bottom of the public votes if they rank them 1 to 7. In ties the public vote takes priority and when teams tie on the leaderboard the lower teams often benefit from an extra point.
But with Pashley being in the bottom two in my calculation AJ and Lauren must have been at least 2nd on the public vote :-
Pashley 7 points from judge's vote and 1 point from public vote = 8 Lauren and AJ 2 points from judge's vote and 6 points from public vote = 8 (But public points take priority in tie break so AJ/Lauren ahead).
If Charles had say been in bottom 2 with Oti and Swanny then it would have made sense.
There is a risk a couple of big hitters could end up in a dance off next week or the SF.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 17:06:45 GMT
People have gone on to win after a dance-off appearance in the past, so it is nonsensical to write Ashley off already.
Yes, she is likely to end up as a runner up because the best dancer hasn't won for many years now, but I still live in hope that one day the British public will actually recognise the dancing not just the showy routines that lack substance. Unfortunately this year is becoming even more of the latter for even the best dancers, so I feel I may well be hoping in vain...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 17:35:11 GMT
Caroline Flack and Abbey Clancy were certainly in dance offs on their way to winning but Abbey's year was very open if I recall.
I always say look at the Bookies odds they have Stacey at Evens, Joe 2-1, Ashley 6-1 and Faye 7-1.
A majority of us would probably say Ashley and Faye are better dancers than the other two but the bookies clearly don't think they will win or they would not be offering 6 or 7 to 1 over them as those odds would be snapped up in a heartbeat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 17:49:09 GMT
I think some people think being the best dancer as the one who puts all of the steps one is taught in the right order (and Ashley and Faye do execute that very well without doubt) but, whether one likes it or not, dancing is also about performance and interpretation of the music with the steps as well and there, Stacey and Joe beat Ashley and Faye hands down. Every time. Even the judges recognise that.
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Post by vdcni on Nov 25, 2018 19:22:04 GMT
I prefer Ashley to Faye as even though they are both good dancers Ashley's the much stronger performer and can sell a dance, pretty much the only contestant who can this year, Faye is a bit bland.
Stacey and Joe are generally decent mid level Strictly celebs but compared to similar level celebs in the past their performance skills are non existent. I'm bored of them within seconds of the dance starting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 19:24:21 GMT
whether one likes it or not, dancing is also about performance and interpretation of the music with the steps as well and there, Stacey and Joe beat Ashley and Faye hands down. Every time Not for me they don't. And for me performance is meaningless if it isn't accompanied by proper technique. Hence the style over substance comment. To me, Stacey is often style over substance, and I don't rate Joe for either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 22:13:01 GMT
Ashley I think suffers from being seen as a "trained dancer", Faye has done some dancing before but no more than say Louise or Alexandra Burke had done and both those two came up short.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 1, 2018 22:35:14 GMT
Ashley & Pasha vs Charles & Karen
Charles & Karen Out
5th time unlucky for Charles - but he was never going to survive that one
Ashley cannot win this
Lauren can...which would be a travesty
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Post by jaqs on Dec 1, 2018 22:45:19 GMT
Ashley & Pasha vs Charles & Karen Charles & Karen Out 5th time unlucky for Charles - but he was never going to survive that one Ashley cannot win this Lauren can...which would be a travesty Interesting no vote bounce for Ashley, I wonder if she gets any at all. It was blatant bad choreography for Charles and a boring costume. Wonder what will happen if it is Faye v Ashley next week.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 1, 2018 22:47:10 GMT
Faye v Ashley would see Faye saved.
Ashley would probably only be saved against Lauren.
More interesting would be Stacey v Joe - couldn't call that one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 22:47:34 GMT
my prediction for the final: 1st Stacey 2nd Joe 3rd Ashley 4th Faye 5th Lauren
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 23:35:30 GMT
Faye v Ashley would see Faye saved. Ashley would probably only be saved against Lauren. More interesting would be Stacey v Joe - couldn't call that one. Ashley would be saved against Joe. She should also be saved against Stacey but that relies on the judges actually having some sense. Stacey v Joe would see Stacey saved I suspect. I think Joe would struggle to win a dance-off against anyone except Lauren.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Dec 2, 2018 0:01:59 GMT
Ashley would have been in the bottom 2 for 3 weeks in a row - if she is there next week (which does seem probable)
She is also the only person left in the competition who has faced a dance-off
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 0:16:05 GMT
Ashley has to be completely tanking in the public vote no? It would be so interesting to see the actual voting numbers if the Beeb ever allowed that.
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Post by lynette on Dec 2, 2018 3:45:43 GMT
So why do we think Lauren would be off v anyone else. She danced v well tonight. Ballroom suits her and she could trounce a poor Latin from Joe. But then how many followers does he have?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 9:14:43 GMT
So why do we think Lauren would be off v anyone else. She danced v well tonight. Ballroom suits her and she could trounce a poor Latin from Joe. But then how many followers does he have? Because the judges like Joe (or at least 3 of them do) -that much is clear from how ridiculously he's been overmarked for weeks now. The dance off should be about talent but it isn't always. Plus Lauren has a Tango and Samba next week, which are difficult dances (Tango is certainly not the floaty ballroom she's good at).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 10:14:32 GMT
I actually like that Joe is in it this year with his fan base. His combination of talent, effort and personality is what the show should be about, celebrities learning to dance. Stacey and Lauren are the same. Are they perfect? Of course not but perfection isn't what the show is about.
And really, only one of the judges is really qualified to judge the dancers properly so even a fundamental part of the show also recognises that the show isn't about who is the most perfect dancer, it's about a whole combination of things including *gasp* entertainment. Is Joe a better dancer than Ashley or Faye? Probably not. Should he beat them in a dance off or in the competition as a whole? Absolutely, yes.
Same goes for Lauren and Stacey.
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