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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 12:15:59 GMT
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Post by Someone in a tree on Aug 7, 2018 12:18:57 GMT
BJ yet again tries and succeeds to get the populist vote
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 13:23:30 GMT
He's a nasty little snake who knows exactly what he's doing and I'm ashamed to be part of the species that keeps falling for his "bumbling charm" and never calling him out on his bullsh*t with the appropriate amount of severity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 13:33:17 GMT
He's so utterly hideous but it's a sad day when I'd still take a Boris any day over a Jacob Rees-Mogg.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 13:49:28 GMT
Boris plays the buffoon but is very clever. Rees-Mogg always off the stuffy image but I think he openly admits his religious views will ever stop him being an electable party leader.
Don't forget that a lot of faiths openly don't agree with views that we now consider to be mainstream. Also look at the Labour Party issues with Antisemitism at the moment too.
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Post by david on Aug 7, 2018 13:53:36 GMT
Can you imagine BJ as PM? Personally I thought he was an awful Foreign Secretary and was embarrasing as the UK's chief diplomat, but now he is outside of the cabinet, I think we can expect more of the same. What are people's thoughts of him as London Mayor?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 14:00:46 GMT
What are people's thoughts of him as London Mayor? Oh I loved him when he was hanging on that zip wire. Wasn't quite so keen when they got him down though. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 14:26:26 GMT
Now that UKIP have finally given up pretending that they aren't a far right party he sees an opening. It wouldn't be surprising to find out that he's been talking with Bannon.
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Post by sf on Aug 7, 2018 14:49:13 GMT
Boris met with Steve Bannon the other week. I assume it's not a coincidence, and that he's going to try to position himself as a Trump-style populist leader.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 14:52:31 GMT
Well The Donald does think BoJo would make a great Prime Minister. I'm guessing his selection criteria is that Boris agrees with him and he can use Twitter.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Aug 7, 2018 18:51:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 19:16:30 GMT
There has been talk of a new broad centralist party since the Liberals imploded and Pratweazle takes Labour further left. A new "Right Wing" party isn't something I've heard about but if Boris and say Farage was on board you have two big names.
I've always found the idea of Boris as a leader sounds good but when it comes to it people think maybe not. His powerplay would come more as an Opposition Leader who the public liked and could lead his party into power.
But when I look at the current party leaders none impress me really.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Aug 7, 2018 20:00:28 GMT
There has been talk of a new broad centralist party since the Liberals imploded and Pratweazle takes Labour further left. A new "Right Wing" party isn't something I've heard about but if Boris and say Farage was on board you have two big names. I've always found the idea of Boris as a leader sounds good but when it comes to it people think maybe not. His powerplay would come more as an Opposition Leader who the public liked and could lead his party into power. But when I look at the current party leaders none impress me really. For f***s sake |
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Post by Phantom of London on Aug 7, 2018 20:22:40 GMT
Both Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg both went to Oxford and got a second class degree, I mean really.
Google Eton Master of Academia sacked for cheating.
Also Bozo is so desperate to get into number 10, that is why he will never be prime minister.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 3:50:02 GMT
Both Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg both went to Oxford and got a second class degree, I mean really. Google Eton Master of Academia sacked for cheating. Also Bozo is so desperate to get into number 10, that is why he will never be prime minister.
As compared to, two grade E A-levels from Jeremy Corbyn.
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Post by hulmeman on Aug 8, 2018 8:01:42 GMT
I think BJ is an insidious individual who along with the other snake oil salesmen, Gove, Rees Mogg, Davis, Fox - (dear god the list is endless) are responsible for great damage to our country. But, they are clever in playing the traditionalist and patriotic card. Look at Boris's latest outburst. I would suggest there is some merit in the argument that Muslim women should not wear full face covering but my view is secular. However, to liken the wearer to "a bank robber" or "a postbox" is just plain insulting. It is regrettably a view which will find favour with too large a number in this country. Of course Boris knows this and is using it to position himself for his next "big thing", whatever it is.
He and the other twerps have been meeting the odious American Steve Bannon which means a dangerous extention of the "alt right" in our country. That is an idea that horrifies me.
Our political classes are increasingly polarising the choices the electorate have. Given a choice between the "alt-right" and "Momentum", I'm prepared to take a chance on the later.
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel - Samuel Johnson 1775
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 11:39:07 GMT
Surely the middle ground parties should look to get their act together if Tories and Socialists are going to the extreme sides of their respective parties.
This often happens if a party has suffered losses and it is the hard core rump left standing but not how the parties currently stand.
The one wildcard never mentioned so much is David Miliband who probably should have been Labour Leader and when he finishes his tenure at IRC in New York may be courted to return to politics.
Whether David would return to the Labour Party given their ongoing Anti-Semitic issues or the party has moved on from his views I don't know. But with both parties going towards their more extreme wings I could see David being courted to lead any new centrist party which may spring up and could look to get the old Lib-Dem type vote and appeal to the Tory remainers and the right of the Labour Party.
Btw if I had a choice over Boris or Pratweazle Corbyn running the country it would be Boris all the way.
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Post by Mr Snow on Aug 8, 2018 11:47:48 GMT
Our political classes are increasingly polarising the choices the electorate have. Given a choice between the "alt-right" and "Momentum", I'm prepared to take a chance on the later. Appealing to all, reject extremism whatever its colour. Do not give in. The gap is widening, and the choices are increasingly sickening. Very worrying. Unlike others I fear Boris CAN get elected. He was voted in as Mayor of London and despite doing sweet FA for anyone but himself, came out with his support intact. He recently said "F+++ Business" thus turning his back on the traditional Conservative support. What a time to be creating havoc! May could control him when in the Cabinet but now he's just after the popular vote. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 11:52:42 GMT
If I were Muslim the idea of BJ as PM, which is not beyond the realms of possibility, would terrify me. So far, all mainstream political leaders have held a strong line against ant-Muslim prejudice, especially after terrorism. It would just take one breaking that and winking at the far right to unleash God knows what.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 11:57:36 GMT
If I were Muslim the idea of BJ as PM, which is not beyond the realms of possibility, would terrify me. So far, all mainstream political leaders have held a strong line against ant-Muslim prejudice, especially after terrorism. It would just take one breaking that and winking at the far right to unleash God knows what. I'm not a Muslim and the idea of BoJo as Prime Minister terrifies me. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 12:11:35 GMT
Johnson would be the worst possible leader in the current circumstances. Lightweight, inconsistent, inflammatory. His star has waned considerably in the past few years thankfully. Knowing that he is likes by Trump is the final nail in his coffin, the friend of my enemy is my enemy.
The one thing he has been okay on is his opposition to Putin but anyone with any moral fibre is going to be the same. I’m watching closely to see if the Bannon interference has him change his position on that as well.
With figures liks Mogg and Corbyn, they may be on the fringes of their parties but at least they are not populists and are consistent in their views. You can deal with that.
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Post by stefy69 on Aug 8, 2018 12:47:34 GMT
Surely the middle ground parties should look to get their act together if Tories and Socialists are going to the extreme sides of their respective parties. This often happens if a party has suffered losses and it is the hard core rump left standing but not how the parties currently stand. The one wildcard never mentioned so much is David Miliband who probably should have been Labour Leader and when he finishes his tenure at IRC in New York may be courted to return to politics. Whether David would return to the Labour Party given their ongoing Anti-Semitic issues or the party has moved on from his views I don't know. But with both parties going towards their more extreme wings I could see David being courted to lead any new centrist party which may spring up and could look to get the old Lib-Dem type vote and appeal to the Tory remainers and the right of the Labour Party. Btw if I had a choice over Boris or Pratweazle Corbyn running the country it would be Boris all the way. Didn't David Owen come up with that idea in 1982   |
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Post by Mr Snow on Aug 8, 2018 13:04:14 GMT
With figures liks Mogg and Corbyn, they may be on the fringes of their parties but at least they are not populists and are consistent in their views. You can deal with that. Seriously? Corbyn was consistent in his views on Europe. For 35 years he was consistent in speaking for Brexit. But give him a whiff of power and his position keeps changing to whatever option is most difficult for the government that day. He is the very definition of a popularist politician. I'll say it again, history has warned us to be very careful when the extremes take hold. Yeats wrote this in the aftermath of the first world War. Politics in Europe during the uncertain years that followed were a battle ground between rival ideologies and we know what that led to. Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Resist the popularists with their passionate intensity, blame, hate and fear. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 13:26:31 GMT
With figures liks Mogg and Corbyn, they may be on the fringes of their parties but at least they are not populists and are consistent in their views. You can deal with that. Seriously? Corbyn was consistent in his views on Europe. For 35 years he was consistent in speaking for Brexit. But give him a whiff of power and his position keeps changing to whatever option is most difficult for the government that day. He is the very definition of a popularist politician. I don’t think, for one minute, that Corbyn has changed his mind on Europe and all his words and actions point to that. Given his party’s almost complete opposition to Brexit he has therefore kept a lid on it. i don’t sense that Johnson believes anything, so anything he says is on shifting sands. Populists have no ideology, just kneejerk reactions, that fits Johnson not Corbyn and JRM. |
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Post by Mr Snow on Aug 8, 2018 13:32:22 GMT
Seriously? Corbyn was consistent in his views on Europe. For 35 years he was consistent in speaking for Brexit. But give him a whiff of power and his position keeps changing to whatever option is most difficult for the government that day. He is the very definition of a popularist politician. I don’t think, for one minute, that Corbyn has changed his mind on Europe and all his words and actions point to that. Given his party’s almost complete opposition to Brexit he has therefore kept a lid on it. i don’t sense that Johnson believes anything, so anything he says is on shifting sands. Populists have no ideology, just kneejerk reactions, that fits Johnson not Corbyn and JRM. Apparently you're right, he hasn't changed his position at all. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/14/jeremy-corbyn-wants-hard-brexit-labourBut then why do so many of his supporters think he's opposed to Brexit? Will the real Mr Corbyn please stand up. PS At least we agree on Boris.  |
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