Priscilla Queen Of The Desert - UK Tour

The key there is 'if...they can sing it'

That means the whole role. Which requires a high rock tenor sound combined with good falsetto and a rich baritonal quality for a good chunk of the score.

There are few non trans performers who can pull off the role successfully. The likelihood of a trans man having that sort of voice is very slim indeed.

If a trans performer can meet the vocal demands of the part of Valjean then they should be considered. But I struggle to see that happened at least in the medium term.

And this comment is a prime example of the insensitivity and discrimination faced by those who are trans.

Unbelievable.

Do not come at me with the assumption that I’m attempting to “cancel” anybody. I was saying that this illustrates the misunderstanding that it currently in society and does nothing to improve it. It doesn’t take much for one to educate themselves on why micro aggressions are harmful, nor does it take much to recognise what those micro aggressions are. You can continue making ill informed posts to your hearts’ content from now on without being challenged, all whilst individuals who may be struggling with their own gender identity or transition read every word.

By running into the shadows and messaging behind the scenes to bring up my feelings on the comment, it does nothing to show those who may have been upset by it that they aren’t alone, and that the discussion has two sides. When you already feel lonely in the world just seeing that one person shares your views can make all the difference. I appreciate that you stand by your point, as do I.

Trans people are people, who feel pain, humiliation and shame just like anyone. It’s hard enough to exist in a world where they have been made the butt of the joke in nearly every example of representation in the media. The laughing stock analogy further perpetuates this. Also, by implying that Jamie is a better fit than Les Mis insinuates that queer people only belong in queer stories or places.



Correct.

To be honest, I think Jean Valjean is a very bad example to pick of a male role to be taken by a trans man.

All the trans men I know are small and slight (and in their twenties). I can picture them in roles like Rolfe in The Sound of Music, Evan Hansen, Mr Mistoffelees, potentially Fiyero or one of the men in Legally Blonde. But as a man who can lift a cart with his bare hands and wade through sewers for miles carrying a younger man when well into his sixties? I'm really struggling to picture it. Maybe if I knew an older trans man build like the proverbial brick building I'd feel differently, but the fact that trans men will follow the average height/build curve for females does make them playing a physically imposing role against cis men much harder. I wouldn't choose cast a 5'4" narrow-across-the-shoulders cis man as Valjean either, although you might get away with it in a concert setting.

I also think trans men would have major problems with vocal changes (not many men can play Valjean, let alone if you've been a soprano until your mid-twenties and have to re-train your voice completely to a new range), and if they're binding then singing and dancing will be much harder.

Noted BB but having to google what NSFW means now 😂

A fair point regarding those who do not identify with the gender binary, I shall edit my post if I can. Thank you for bringing this to my attention!

Yes I have seen you have edited your comment that was made 13 hours ago, yet I cannot edit my comment made an hour ago. What is going on moderators? Why can I not edit my comment made an hour ago?

Is that why I could delete a post once and have never been able to again? Mystery solved if so!

(I wasn't wanting to delete for nefarious reasons, I'd mucked up quoting and couldn't work out how to solve it on the mobile site because you don't get the code version in the same way as you can on the desktop site.)

I'll be volunteering for it at the Derngate in Northampton at the beginning of August so can report back then unless anyone else is going sooner.

Normally it's such a fantastic show but I am worried if it's been cheapened this time and lost its sparkle.

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