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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 11:26:49 GMT
What is the go to cast recording atm? For me it's the 25th anniversary one - the updated orchestrations I think are brilliant Same!
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Post by daisy24601 on Feb 6, 2019 11:34:19 GMT
For me it'll always be the 10th Anniversary concert. Can't beat Philip Quast and Ruthie. Although I'm not that keen on Colm Wilkinson (I know!), so I listen to 25th anniversary tour for some JOJ.
There are some lyric changes from the 10th to now, although so slight I wonder why they decided to change them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 11:43:17 GMT
For me it'll always be the 10th Anniversary concert. Can't beat Philip Quast and Ruthie. Although I'm not that keen on Colm Wilkinson (I know!), so I listen to 25th anniversary tour for some JOJ. There are some lyric changes from the 10th to now, although so slight I wonder why they decided to change them. Oh, I don't like Colm. I think he has an annoying vibrato.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 11:43:34 GMT
Sorry. Double post. I meant to edit my previous one and ended up quoting myself.
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Post by partytentdown on Feb 6, 2019 13:03:32 GMT
For me it'll always be the 10th Anniversary concert. Can't beat Philip Quast and Ruthie. Although I'm not that keen on Colm Wilkinson (I know!), so I listen to 25th anniversary tour for some JOJ. There are some lyric changes from the 10th to now, although so slight I wonder why they decided to change them. What sort of lyric changes were made?
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Post by latefortheoverture on Feb 6, 2019 13:07:38 GMT
Regardless of how disappointing this 'concert' may be, there is no denying it will sell and sell and sell.
Every demographic is pretty much covered, add to that fans of the show regardless and then the none the wiser tourists.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 17:28:55 GMT
Can anyone describe what has changed or been cut over the years? I'm always interested to hear about changes made to shows and the decision process behind them. I'm sure there used to be a website which detailed all the cuts / lyric changes over the years. I'll see if I can find it. But I wrote this post on another thread about a year ago: I first saw Les Mis in 1993, so despite the show being 8 years old at the time, it was relatively early on in it's 32 year run. My memory of the show as it was then was perfect (for want of a better word). I am fully aware that part of that is nostalgia, and probably the reason I have never felt the same love for the revised 25th anniversary production. But I agree that the original London production now lacks something.
In 1993 the show was pretty much as it is on the Complete Symphonic Recording. From memory, I think it was added to slightly in 1997 (Broadway 10th anniversary) when they reinstated the well scene from the Barbican days, where Valjean first meets Cosette. There were possibly minor lyric changes then too. However a few years later (2000?) the Broadway production was cut by around 15 minutes to bring the running time to just under 3 hours, and save on overtime costs. These changes were implemented into productions around the world shortly after. However, I think the current running time is 2h50, so other stuff may have been cut since then. Or perhaps as people have said, the pace has just been increased.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 17:48:47 GMT
Can anyone describe what has changed or been cut over the years? I'm always interested to hear about changes made to shows and the decision process behind them. This is quite an interesting read regarding the cuts (and reinstatements) to the show... abaisse.the-barricade.net/viewtopic.php?t=1060
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Post by David J on Feb 6, 2019 18:21:49 GMT
Speaking of changes there was a recent one that bugged me (the last 2 times I saw the show back in 2017) where Enjorlas' body no longer lies along the bit of stairway and the flag on the barricades, but instead is dangling by his leg over the side of that stairway. As if his foot got stuck in the stairs as he fell, which to me the probability of that happening was small.
Is that still in there
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 18:29:15 GMT
What is the go to cast recording atm? For me it's Complete Symphonic Recording. I love the sound of the orchestra and it's the only complete version. I like alot if the recetivative in the show and it's all in there I.e Fantines Arrest and Attack on Rue Plumet. I also much prefer Gary Morris as Valjean. Surely Michael Ball holds the record for singing on the most Les Miz recordings?
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Post by David J on Feb 6, 2019 18:35:40 GMT
What is the go to cast recording atm? Surely Michael Ball holds the record for singing on the most Les Miz recordings? Philip Quast shares that doesn't he? Symphonic, 10th Anniversary and the 1992 UK Tour Manchester (okay 5 tracks but still) recordings
Oh and Colm Wilkinson is in the both original London and broadway cast recordings and the 10th Anniversary
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 18:43:34 GMT
If I remember correctly, the Stars used on the Manchester Highlights CD is the Complete Symphonic Recording version. I think.
But yes, Philip Quast is still featured on three recordings.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 6, 2019 18:52:52 GMT
I can’t believe they should be able to say it’s the longest running show when that version is closing. It’s a joke if they do.
I mean until another show exceeds its run (at the time the current version closes)
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Post by mrbarnaby on Feb 6, 2019 18:55:29 GMT
Guys, you are forgetting something. From official Les Mis website: We are getting two productions at the same time: the original at the Shaftesbury, and the staged concert at the Gielgud. Then the new version opening at the Queen's. Unless plans have changed of course. In that case they should update the news section, to avoid confusion. Edit; I'm an idiot. Shaftesbury Ave, not the Theatre. Ignore me. Eh? It’s oretty clear there won’t be 2 productions playing at the same time . “While the queens theatre is being restored”. I also fail to see how they can get all the work done in a mere 4 months.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 19:12:10 GMT
Guys, you are forgetting something. From official Les Mis website: We are getting two productions at the same time: the original at the Shaftesbury, and the staged concert at the Gielgud. Then the new version opening at the Queen's. Unless plans have changed of course. In that case they should update the news section, to avoid confusion. Edit; I'm an idiot. Shaftesbury Ave, not the Theatre. Ignore me. Eh? It’s oretty clear there won’t be 2 productions playing at the same time . “While the queens theatre is being restored”. I also fail to see how they can get all the work done in a mere 4 months. I already said I made a mistake. Totally misread Shaftesbury Avenue as Shaftesbury Theatre and it all went wrong from there.
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Post by 49thand8th on Feb 6, 2019 19:48:58 GMT
What is the go to cast recording atm? For me it's Complete Symphonic Recording. I love the sound of the orchestra and it's the only complete version. I like alot if the recetivative in the show and it's all in there I.e Fantines Arrest and Attack on Rue Plumet. I also much prefer Gary Morris as Valjean. Surely Michael Ball holds the record for singing on the most Les Miz recordings? The main reason I would say don't go for this one first is because of the lack of chemistry among the performers. Most of them had never met or only met shortly before recording. That and group numbers are way overproduced — One Day More on the CSR is nearly cringeworthy to me these days.
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Post by northernhomo on Feb 6, 2019 20:46:03 GMT
Am I right in thinking that if they continue to claim that “New” Les Mis, is still the original Les Mis, then they’re intact breaking the law? False advertising and all that.
In all fairness, I’ve not seen Les Miserables for a couple of years, but the last time I saw it at Queens, it was very very dull, and looked very tired. 30-odd Years is a great run, maybe we need to rest it for a while.
The same could be said for Phantom, since I made that last point.
I feel like we should be championing new, fresh, exciting theatre. Theatre land is changing in London and we should be embracing that, and looking to the future.
I also get the points made that it’s a cash cow that brings people in, and will sell tickets. It’s a tourist attraction - and hugely profitable. I get that. I understand that’s what investors want.
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Post by musicalmarge on Feb 6, 2019 21:25:00 GMT
Am I right in thinking that if they continue to claim that “New” Les Mis, is still the original Les Mis, then they’re intact breaking the law? False advertising and all that. In all fairness, I’ve not seen Les Miserables for a couple of years, but the last time I saw it at Queens, it was very very dull, and looked very tired. 30-odd Years is a great run, maybe we need to rest it for a while. The same could be said for Phantom, since I made that last point. I feel like we should be championing new, fresh, exciting theatre. Theatre land is changing in London and we should be embracing that, and looking to the future. I also get the points made that it’s a cash cow that brings people in, and will sell tickets. It’s a tourist attraction - and hugely profitable. I get that. I understand that’s what investors want. I saw Phantom last week and it was sensational and in terrific shape. I hadn’t seen it since 2005. As for Les Mis. If it is breaking the run and changing production the new show is a revival!
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Post by martello736 on Feb 7, 2019 7:35:16 GMT
I feel they've made a mistake in heavily promoting the Gielgud run, that'll only last for 4 months, they should be getting the big names together for the re-opening at the Queens, that's what I'm sure they hope is gonna last for another 30 years.
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Post by Steffi on Feb 7, 2019 7:49:22 GMT
What they really should have done is have the decency to inform the current cast at the Queen's of their plans before announcing it to Joe Public.
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Post by martello736 on Feb 7, 2019 8:02:28 GMT
What they really should have done is have the decency to inform the current cast at the Queen's of their plans before announcing it to Joe Public. I didn't realise they hadn't, that's awful. If Alfie calls out sick, will JOJ do it do you think? Or will the show go to a separate standby / understudy?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:08:09 GMT
What they really should have done is have the decency to inform the current cast at the Queen's of their plans before announcing it to Joe Public. Yes and no I guess. Their contracts all finish in June/July. So it is different to the situation where something closes early, contracts are cut short and the cast are the last to know!
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Post by Steffi on Feb 7, 2019 9:17:35 GMT
What they really should have done is have the decency to inform the current cast at the Queen's of their plans before announcing it to Joe Public. Yes and no I guess. Their contracts all finish in June/July. So it is different to the situation where something closes early, contracts are cut short and the cast are the last to know! It still would have been the decent thing to do. Of course the contracts finish in July. But letting the cast hear from the papers they are being replaced by an "all star" cast for the concert version is awful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:20:43 GMT
JOJ (and we've been calling him that long before KMP haha) Haha yes, that was my point - it's been used for a highly regarding musical theatre actor for years, but someone went off their nut for using KMP to refer Katharine McPhee. Anyway, that's not for here. haha ok scan reading and early!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:28:57 GMT
Yes and no I guess. Their contracts all finish in June/July. So it is different to the situation where something closes early, contracts are cut short and the cast are the last to know! It still would have been the decent thing to do. Of course the contracts finish in July. But letting the cast hear from the papers they are being replaced by an "all star" cast for the concert version is awful. Yes, they definitely should have been told if their contracts were not being renewed. But I assume they were wanting to keep the Gielgud concert plans under wraps until the official announcement (or the unofficial Daily Mail story the day before).
But surely they had an inkling that something different was happening for the Gielgud run? And they've technically not been replaced by an all star cast, as this is a seperate event (despite what Cam Mac is trying to say, to maintain the "longest running" title)
I just wonder how they will cast the rest of the show - and if they're having a choir, will they be Les Mis alumni?
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