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Post by daisy24601 on Jan 8, 2019 14:14:52 GMT
I think a real shame the old one is to be no more. There is much more they can do now than when this production was devised and maybe it could do with a new lease of life, but nonetheless it feels a bit sad. I do love the new production though so I guess we have to move with the times.
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Post by Dr Tom on Jan 8, 2019 14:42:01 GMT
Presumably the touring version going into the refurbished Queen's? I wonder which version will play at the Gielgud?
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Post by partytentdown on Jan 8, 2019 14:42:10 GMT
Have any other shows ever done something like this i.e one version closes and another version opens soon after?
The only one that occurs to me is 'The Witches of Eastwick' which was retooled and moved within a few weeks. So I guess Cameron has form...
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Post by zak97 on Jan 8, 2019 14:43:08 GMT
Presumably the touring version going into the refurbished Queen's? I wonder which version will play at the Gielgud? Think it’s the original. They can make more of a fuss by reopening the queens with the new one.
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Post by ali973 on Jan 8, 2019 14:46:43 GMT
Do we know when this is happening? I heard conflicting dates, either 29th of June or 19th of July.
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Post by zak97 on Jan 8, 2019 14:47:57 GMT
Do we know when this is happening? I heard conflicting dates, either 29th of June or 19th of July. Maybe close at the queens in June. Move the set and reopen in July.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 15:01:19 GMT
I am 100% of the opinion that this is a bad move.
And I totally get that long running productions can become museum pieces and should be re-interpreted otherwise they just become stale. But I would judge that on a case by case basis. And it is something that I think Phantom suffers from a lot more - it DOES look dated and I do think it needs refreshing. For whatever reason (and I acknowledge it may just come down to personal taste) I do not find the original staging of Les Mis stale - I think it remains iconic.
And I say this as someone that loves the tour. In fact it was the 25th tour that re-ignited my interest in Les Mis generally. But the fabulous thing was having the two productions run side by side. And the fact that London was the only remaining production of the original was, I thought, brilliant.
Call me cynical, but somewhere, somehow, this is to do with money.
And to that end looking at the on line seating plans, the last two weeks at the Queen's now have most of the Stalls bumped up to nonsense premium prices. I'll therefore be going in the pen-penultimate week before it closes.
Interesting to see which version we'll get at the Gielgud. (And who the cast will be). I imagine will be the new one. They need a new set anyway as the current tour has dates continuously into 2020.
Sad day for the West End.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 15:04:21 GMT
Oh and I look fwd to hearing what, (if anything publicly), John Card and Trevor Nunn have to say.
I just panic bought a ticket for the final Saturday night BEFORE the final fortnight premium price hike occurs (15th June). I do like getting caught up in the drama of some panic buying lol....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 15:14:27 GMT
It's been so long since I've seen any version of this show that I've forgotten what the differences in the two productions are!
I wonder how they will market this - can they still claim that it is the world's longest running musical and still going, or is there going to be a gap? That is all that most people will know about it, they won't know if they're seeing staging that was put together in 1985 or last week...
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Post by 49thand8th on Jan 8, 2019 15:16:07 GMT
Have any other shows ever done something like this i.e one version closes and another version opens soon after? Scarlet Pimpernel?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 15:17:54 GMT
It's been so long since I've seen any version of this show that I've forgotten what the differences in the two productions are! I wonder how they will market this - can they still claim that it is the world's longest running musical and still going, or is there going to be a gap? That is all that most people will know about it, they won't know if they're seeing staging that was put together in 1985 or last week... You make a crucial point I guess - 99% of the Les Mis audience in London are tourists or people like my Mum and Dad who would love either production and would neither notice (nor care) which one it was..... Which I suppose means Cameron can do whatever he likes. Is only in the fans microsphere that these decisions are an issue. Though I guess that applies to most of what we discuss on here lol!
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Post by 49thand8th on Jan 8, 2019 15:19:46 GMT
When my parents and I saw the 2009 Broadway revival, they'd already seen the (Broadway replica staging) US tour about 5 times in the past 6 or 7 years. I didn't tell them before the show that some costumes and orchestrations would be different. After the show, my mom said she didn't notice anything significant except that Cosette's dress was different.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 15:20:07 GMT
Have any other shows ever done something like this i.e one version closes and another version opens soon after? The only one that occurs to me is 'The Witches of Eastwick' which was retooled and moved within a few weeks. So I guess Cameron has form... Can't think of a totally new production at the same theatre. Sunset Boulevard closed to be updated but it was fundamentally the same production from the same creative team - just with a few revisions to the score/book and the orange set painted grey!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 15:20:46 GMT
When my parents and I saw the 2009 Broadway revival, they'd already seen the (Broadway replica staging) US tour about 5 times in the past 6 or 7 years. I didn't tell them before the show that some costumes and orchestrations would be different. After the show, my mom said she didn't notice anything significant except that Cosette's dress was different. This! My parents (and 99% of the audience) would be the same lol....
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Post by 49thand8th on Jan 8, 2019 15:24:14 GMT
Yes. It's good to keep in mind that producers don't make changes in spite of — or BECAUSE of — people like us.
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Post by ali973 on Jan 8, 2019 15:27:02 GMT
@dom Same, I panicked and got a ticket to the last booking date of the original production. I'd like to say goodbye to this staging if this is indeed the final time we'll be seeing it. I've seen Les Mis in just about every decade and phase (pre-teen, teen, 20s, 30s and this will be my last time as I'm approaching 40!). Squish squish.
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Post by southstreet on Jan 8, 2019 15:27:25 GMT
But.... but.... but.... I love the revolve! It's iconic! :-(
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 15:31:08 GMT
@dom Same, I panicked and got a ticket to the last booking date of the original production. I'd like to say goodbye to this staging if this is indeed the final time we'll be seeing it. I've seen Les Mis in just about every decade and phase (pre-teen, teen, 20s, 30s and this will be my last time as I'm approaching 40!). Squish squish. Indeed - maybe that's my problem haha - I am 42 and have also seen it in every phase of my life and so it holds a special place for me. Perhaps I need to let it go etc. Extraordinary that Phantom will now be the only 80s "mega musical" left. Changing times once again....
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Post by firefingers on Jan 8, 2019 15:42:23 GMT
I think it’s a shame. If it was coming from a place of love for the show, I might be more sympathetic, but CamMack has hated Trevor Nunn for many years and has long resented giving him royalties for directing the show. The new production isn’t a patch on the old one. Hopefully I can make it down to the Queens for a last go.
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Post by 49thand8th on Jan 8, 2019 15:43:56 GMT
But.... but.... but.... I love the revolve! It's iconic! :-( They don't care about what you love.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 15:44:59 GMT
So it's a different production, does that mean it loses its ongoing "longest-running musical" title, at least until it is taken over?
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Post by ali973 on Jan 8, 2019 15:58:51 GMT
Now BWW is saying the last performance is July 13th. Booking and my friend who occasionally plays in the pit: 29th June West End Wilma: 19th July BWW: 13th of July
This stresses me out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 16:23:59 GMT
So it's a different production, does that mean it loses its ongoing "longest-running musical" title, at least until it is taken over? As a hardcore Starlight fan I'm going with yes lol - Bochum Starlight then becomes the world's second longest running musical, regaining the title the London production had when Cats was still No 1! #tryingtoseethesunnysidetoeverysituation
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 16:26:53 GMT
Now BWW is saying the last performance is July 13th. Booking and my friend who occasionally plays in the pit: 29th June West End Wilma: 19th July BWW: 13th of July This stresses me out. Hmmm, maybe not to be overshadowed by Bette Midler Cam Mac will be adding a final two weeks with prices being the highest the West End has ever seen!
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Post by danb on Jan 8, 2019 16:31:05 GMT
@dom Same, I panicked and got a ticket to the last booking date of the original production. I'd like to say goodbye to this staging if this is indeed the final time we'll be seeing it. I've seen Les Mis in just about every decade and phase (pre-teen, teen, 20s, 30s and this will be my last time as I'm approaching 40!). Squish squish. Squish squish! Lol sweedie. 😂😂
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