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Post by No. on Feb 1, 2019 15:19:39 GMT
Sources tell me that it’s the same group from Heathers who have caused this. If it is, aren’t these girls adults?? Quite tragic really |
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Post by sophie92 on Feb 1, 2019 15:22:05 GMT
Sources tell me that it’s the same group from Heathers who have caused this. To be fair, it’s only one member of the group from Heathers who is also part of the Bat Out of Hell and ETAJ “fandoms” |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 15:27:25 GMT
Sources tell me that it’s the same group from Heathers who have caused this. To be fair, it’s only one member of the group from Heathers who is also part of the Bat Out of Hell and ETAJ “fandoms” This is true. I was talking more in general rather than Jamie specifically.. It’s the same girls from heathers but only some are Jamie fans, some are ROA fans, some are Bat fans. Heathers seems to be the only show that was a mutual interest. |
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Post by latefortheoverture on Feb 1, 2019 16:46:32 GMT
As numerous people both here and on social media have mentioned, there are only so many times you can: - Accidentally get on the same train as an actor/actress
- Accidentally attend the same event as an actor/actress
- Accidentally end up eating at the same place as an actor/actress
- Accidentally wear the same cloths as an actor/actress
- Accidentally buy the same nebulizer as an actor/actress All this on top of: - Making inappropriate sexual and threatening comments about an actor/actresses partner. (I mean if they ever get Jodie Steels fella or Alex James Hatton's Missus alone they are in trouble. I mean some of their comments go way past joking, You don't talk like that about someone.)
- Traveling to a different country to see that actor/actress perform (doing so for a once off gig or if it’s the first venue of a new tour or if it is foreign residency/tour is absolutely perfect but doing so when the same tour has numerous UK dates and the date you are going to is not the first venue..... is a little creepy)
- Guilt tripping actors/actresses into allowing you attend events you really have no right in attending (if you tell someone you have no where to go and it’s in and around zero degrees outside then of course they are going to invite you to cast drinks/dinner)
- Following the family members of an actor/actress on social media
- Face Timing actors/actress without any prior warning (foolish of the actress in question to give that info to a fan)
- Actively lying & discouraging people from day seating so you can have all the seats
- Being verbally abusive at stage door to other fans
- And most worryingly, calling an actor/actress your "Friend"
All of these examples lend me to make the assumption these girls are getting way out of hand. I would even go as far as saying possibly putting the safety of some of these actors/actresses at risk. I think it’s also important to make the point that there is obviously something going on in these girls lives as this is not normal behavior. I remember seeing Jo*ie Ste*les IG story once of about 3 girls stood in the train and her going "Oh, they've made it here before me again. haha" You could easily tell from her voice that after a long day, all she wanted to do was get on the train and switch off. But it looked as if she had to entertain the girls on it. Then seeing this happen AGAIN the following night!! If you happen to end up on the same train fair enough, but to race and go out of your way is wrong IMO. Say hi on the train, and let them be. They're not your friends, they're on their way home from work, let them chill. Am I also correct in saying that one of this 'group' followed Carrie Hope Fletcher home one night at The Other Palace?!? It seems they don't realise that performers in the WE are doing a job. They want to go home and rest as they're doing it all again tomorrow! These girls are trying to become 'friends' with them. It's so immature it actually infuriates me. I could go on and on; I've heard a few tales. I'm sorry, it's wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 16:48:14 GMT
Do we know who this person is? I kinda want to know how they look.
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Post by latefortheoverture on Feb 1, 2019 16:54:13 GMT
Do we know who this person is? I kinda want to know how they look. I used to know her IG- but I stopped looking at it and forgot! Shes around 16/17 I'd say. They're all around this age, think school girls! Should be indoors and at school! |
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Post by No. on Feb 2, 2019 14:26:40 GMT
whaaaat?? I’m 16 and my £4.20 an hour on weekends could never manage that Hope you take full advantage of every young person discount going, No.. That aside, I just used one of those "what was it worth then" calculators, and found that weekend job wages have been stagnant since my own time in the mid 1980s. Back then, I was paid the exact equivalent of today's £4.20. Sadly for today's youngsters, mine did cover the cost of theatre tickets and travel with change left over each week. Trying my best! Also scouting every restricted view seat out there to save my money. Booked Jamie last night for my summer trip for £35 compared to the £50 seats right next to mine |
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Post by tcodd1 on Feb 2, 2019 19:01:53 GMT
After waiting for so long, I’ve finally booked to see Jamie on Monday night! Bagged £28 second row stalls seats on TodayTix - preparing for neck craning based on reviews but can’t complain after losing the lottery so many times!
For once, I’m going in knowing very little apart from a couple of numbers. Looking forward to it immensely! 🤩
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Post by boak on Feb 2, 2019 20:16:11 GMT
After waiting for so long, I’ve finally booked to see Jamie on Monday night! Bagged £28 second row stalls seats on TodayTix - preparing for neck craning based on reviews but can’t complain after losing the lottery so many times! For once, I’m going in knowing very little apart from a couple of numbers. Looking forward to it immensely! 🤩 Were you never offered £30 second chance tickets? |
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Post by tcodd1 on Feb 2, 2019 20:40:27 GMT
After waiting for so long, I’ve finally booked to see Jamie on Monday night! Bagged £28 second row stalls seats on TodayTix - preparing for neck craning based on reviews but can’t complain after losing the lottery so many times! For once, I’m going in knowing very little apart from a couple of numbers. Looking forward to it immensely! 🤩 Were you never offered £30 second chance tickets? Weirdly, no! I’ve heard about people being offered them, but I never was?! |
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Post by boak on Feb 2, 2019 22:00:20 GMT
Were you never offered £30 second chance tickets? Weirdly, no! I’ve heard about people being offered them, but I never was?! Oh wow. They usually do that for quiet nights and you get £70 seats |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 22:00:41 GMT
I’m blessed with 2 of my local theatres offering £10 dayseats for teens and students. If not for this scheme I would not be able to see the number of shows that I do.
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Post by youngoffender on Feb 3, 2019 15:43:20 GMT
I finally managed to see this over the weekend having won the front row lottery.
There's something endearingly old-fashioned about the show's gender politics - the notion that a 16-year-old might want to be a drag star in 2019, or to paraphrase Jamie 'a boy who [only] sometimes wants to be a girl', seems ironically conservative in the context of today's transgender activism. I was also very heartened by the profile of the audience, with a lot of families bringing their teenage children: what a change in a generation. I did wonder what a less femme gay lad might make of Jamie as an archetype for the 'community', and whether it might actually make him feel more rather than less isolated, but hopefully the show's overwhelming embrace of all forms of difference overcomes that.
Layton Williams is such a knockout in the lead that he elevates the whole show above its provincial origins and soapy support cast. The show lacks a killer number, with only a couple rising above what might emerge from an AI show-tune generator, but the spoken dialogue is nicely spiky, with no edges taken off the homophobic barbs of the two villains. Oh, and Jamie's drag name is fantastic, even better than Hedda Lettuce.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 3, 2019 16:23:54 GMT
But not as good as Wilma Fingerdoo.
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Post by showtoones on Feb 3, 2019 20:19:09 GMT
But not as good as Wilma Fingerdoo. Best drag name ever.... Lauren Ordair |
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Post by shady23 on Feb 3, 2019 20:28:29 GMT
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Post by youngoffender on Feb 3, 2019 20:47:19 GMT
Also fond of Ella Va'Lay, Tulita Pepsi, and Courtney Act
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Post by danb on Feb 3, 2019 21:09:02 GMT
I finally managed to see this over the weekend having won the front row lottery. There's something endearingly old-fashioned about the show's gender politics - the notion that a 16-year-old might want to be a drag star in 2019, or to paraphrase Jamie 'a boy who [only] sometimes wants to be a girl', seems ironically conservative in the context of today's transgender activism. I was also very heartened by the profile of the audience, with a lot of families bringing their teenage children: what a change in a generation. I did wonder what a less femme gay lad might make of Jamie as an archetype for the 'community', and whether it might actually make him feel more rather than less isolated, but hopefully the show's overwhelming embrace of all forms of difference overcomes that. Layton Williams is such a knockout in the lead that he elevates the whole show above its provincial origins and soapy support cast. The show lacks a killer number, with only a couple rising above what might emerge from an AI show-tune generator, but the spoken dialogue is nicely spiky, with no edges taken off the homophobic barbs of the two villains. Oh, and Jamie's drag name is fantastic, even better than Hedda Lettuce. “Provincial origins?” Oh my, the snobbery🙄 I thought we were past ‘provincial’ being used as a derogatory term... |
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Post by MrsCondomine on Feb 4, 2019 9:39:18 GMT
There's something endearingly old-fashioned about the show's gender politics - the notion that a 16-year-old might want to be a drag star in 2019, or to paraphrase Jamie 'a boy who [only] sometimes wants to be a girl', seems ironically conservative in the context of today's transgender activism. Wait, whhhaaa? Being transgender isn't the same (at all) as being a drag queen. I'm so confused - have I misunderstood this comment? Also... the story comes from a documentary that was filmed in 2011. So... there is a 16 year old who wanted to be a drag queen. Also - RuPaul? There's a huge community for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 11:12:57 GMT
But not as good as Wilma Fingerdoo. Best drag name ever.... Lauren Ordair I think I like 'Karen from Finance' best. |
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Post by boak on Feb 4, 2019 11:31:33 GMT
There's something endearingly old-fashioned about the show's gender politics - the notion that a 16-year-old might want to be a drag star in 2019, or to paraphrase Jamie 'a boy who [only] sometimes wants to be a girl', seems ironically conservative in the context of today's transgender activism. Wait, whhhaaa? Being transgender isn't the same (at all) as being a drag queen. I'm so confused - have I misunderstood this comment? Also... the story comes from a documentary that was filmed in 2011. So... there is a 16 year old who wanted to be a drag queen. Also - RuPaul? There's a huge community for it. The show itself even clarifies that, where Pretti asks Jamie whether he wants to be a girl and he says no. |
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Post by jaqs on Feb 4, 2019 11:33:11 GMT
I finally managed to see this over the weekend having won the front row lottery. There's something endearingly old-fashioned about the show's gender politics - the notion that a 16-year-old might want to be a drag star in 2019, or to paraphrase Jamie 'a boy who [only] sometimes wants to be a girl', seems ironically conservative in the context of today's transgender activism. I was also very heartened by the profile of the audience, with a lot of families bringing their teenage children: what a change in a generation. I did wonder what a less femme gay lad might make of Jamie as an archetype for the 'community', and whether it might actually make him feel more rather than less isolated, but hopefully the show's overwhelming embrace of all forms of difference overcomes that. Layton Williams is such a knockout in the lead that he elevates the whole show above its provincial origins and soapy support cast. The show lacks a killer number, with only a couple rising above what might emerge from an AI show-tune generator, but the spoken dialogue is nicely spiky, with no edges taken off the homophobic barbs of the two villains. Oh, and Jamie's drag name is fantastic, even better than Hedda Lettuce. Surely it is far more progressive to be a man comfortable enough to do drag, than the regressive trans movement that would say you must be the opposite gender if you step outside the stereotype. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 11:45:38 GMT
It's not a show that set out to "be the most progressive show in the West End!!!" or anything, it's an adaptation of a documentary about a real person, so it seems really strange to judge it by the former standards when that's just not at all what it set out to be.
Also I don't know how progressive it is to suggest that, in these days of transgender activism, a boy who's quite happy being a boy - albeit a really camp one who sometimes dresses up as a drag queen - is *less* progressive a story than a story about someone who was assigned male at birth transitioning to full womanhood; you must have noticed that gender isn't a simple binary, right?
(Not that this show is about gender in that way, it just struck me as weird that someone would think a full AMAB-transitioning-to-female story is more progressive somehow when it still ties into the most basic idea of the gender binary.)
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Post by youngoffender on Feb 4, 2019 11:49:24 GMT
Yes, my point is that being a drag queen and being transgender ARE wholly different. My concern is that any teen today who has leanings towards the former could be persuaded that no, they must be in wrong body, and it's only by surgical transition that they can truly fulfil themselves. The climate is very different today than it was in 2011.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 11:52:03 GMT
I really really REALLY hate to play the "I have trans friends" and the "I have child psychologist friends" cards, but I can 100% guarantee that no one in a position to do anything about it is "persuading" children that they must be transgender if they don't fit what people consider to be the gender norms.
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