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Post by universetipping on Sept 17, 2016 17:30:21 GMT
I'll be honest, I really didn't warn to Jade or Dean when I saw this back in July, in all honesty there was nothing about either of their performances that stood out for me. I enjoyed the show overall but not as much as I was hoping to. I'd try it again, but probably after cast change. I think Jade is technically a very good singer, but for me, she just doesn't sing with very much character or personality. I haven't seen the show but the reaction here is not so inspiring.
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Post by theatreian on Sept 18, 2016 15:12:25 GMT
Saw the show Friday night. It is visually pretty good, although I expect not as much spent on it as in broadway. The lead vocals of Dean and Jade are not up to scratch at all. The key song on the magic carpet A whole new world was really weak. Whether the mechanics of being on the carpet were putting them off I am not sure but they vocally are not up to the parts they are playing. The magic carpet however was great and I could not work out how it was done at all.
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Post by westendwendy on Sept 18, 2016 15:51:47 GMT
Spinning wires that reflect the light. They spin very fast and it means that you can't see them (think of a skipping rope very fast)
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Post by wickedgrin on Sept 18, 2016 16:30:58 GMT
Finally saw this for the first time last week.
I was rather underwhelmed, and echo a lot of other peoples thoughts on this thread.
Two amazing scenes - The Cave of Wonders and "A Friend Like Me" and The magic carpet sequence (which was completely magical - I saw no wires even from the front stalls) and "A Whole New World". Plus gorgeous costumes.
But the scenery budget seems to have been blown on the above sequences as I found the rest of the staging rather poor with the front cloths coming down to change the scenery behind like a provincial panto. The front cloth scenes mostly between Jafar and Iago were very pantomime in style too with Iago being annoying rather than funny.
The leading performances from Dean John-Wilson and Jade Ewen I found rather insipid - perhaps it's the way they are written but I felt neither performer made their mark. For me Jade came off slightly better with the fiesty princess role but Dean John-Wilson's slight speech impediment "lisp" annoyed me. His one big solo number "Proud of Your Boy" seemed very underpowered and the moment not fully taken.
The house was PACKED however, with a partial standing ovation at the end. I did not stand. I find now that audiences for musicals almost always stand now regardless of quality.
So a success for Disney and it will have a decent run at the Prince Edward (gorgeous theatre)as the show caters for the family audience. But it felt like Christmas on a really hot September day. I came out thinking it was Boxing Day!!! 3 stars for me.
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Post by wickedgrin on Sept 18, 2016 16:38:45 GMT
Oh P.S. On a more positive note - Aladdins sidekicks were great - lots of energy and of course Trevor Dion Nicholas as the Genie stole the show - a complete powerhouse of a performance and lead the best sequence in the show by a mile "Friend Like Me".
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Post by Nicholas on Sept 25, 2016 20:17:09 GMT
Is Disney’s Aladdin just a glorified panto, basically a local community show with a bigger budget? Yes. Did I still enjoy it? Yes. So is it being a glorified panto a problem?
Well, Yes and No, inevitably.
No, it’s not a problem when you’ve got some of the best songs by Menken, Rice, and the great Ashman (alongside some of their filler material). No, it’s not a problem when you’ve got the glitz of however many diamonds, sparkle everywhere. No, it’s not a problem when the dancing’s this wonderful mix of Broadway, Bollywood and Banghra, culturally all over the place but choreographically fun. No, it’s not a problem when Jasmine has her very well-received and very greatly-needed feminist awakening. No, it’s not a problem when you’ve got a genie, more on which later. No, it’s not a problem if it’s fun, and it was fun. And no, it’s not a problem when Dean John Wilson has his pecs out. It’s fun, I laughed a lot, it made me smile, and sometimes that’s all you need.
But sometimes it’s not. Sometimes you need more. Some of the best shows I’ve ever seen have made me smile, but there’s been depth, be it a real inherent kindness to them, or a real political positivity, or a genuine joie de vivre. This made me smile, and then I left with nothing to keep me smiling to take away from it, beyond the tunes I knew before I went in. And this is why it’s not good enough that Aladdin is simply good enough.
So yes, scrape beyond this very thin surface and it’s a very big problem that this is a simple cheap and cheerful panto with a simple script. It’s a fun panto, don’t get me wrong, but it carries with it all the connotations and clichés and issues of panto, most problematically the cheapness and shallowness of provincial ones. Firstly, Aladdin is not Disney’s deepest work at 90 minutes, and at roughly 150 minutes no real reason for expansion is added. Dan Rebellato once wrote of ‘Mr Potato Head’ characteristics – where a person’s motivations and desires seem attached, added apropos of the person underneath and not a priori. Whilst it’s great that Jasmine says “I want to make my own destiny and not belong to a man”, one line doth not a feminist make, and rather than expand upon this Jasmine still remains the macguffin, the prize to be won. Aladdin himself is just as thin: one song doth not a character make, and (sorry, Michael!) “Proud Of Your Boy” makes Aladdin a much less fun character than the scamp he was in the shorter movie. The villains weren’t exactly Richard III in the cartoon, but turning Iago into Artie Ziff makes him less exciting, as does giving Jafar the most clichéd ‘villain tango’ song to buff his part up. Beyond characters, the script is no better than any old school panto, from puns that actually made my eyes roll to each scene being not animated magic but old-school standing still in shonky sets. I mean, hell, the lyrics of “High Adventure” mock the cheesiness of it all, and that’s one of the show’s high points.
Perhaps that would be fine in a panto, but the issue here is one almost external to the show. This isn’t Shinfield Player’s Theatre’s Aladdin, this is “Disney’s Aladdin”. It’s a problem of expectation and possibility, and execution and reality. Aladdin is possibly the most visually inventive animation of this period. Script-wise, the film is the same enjoyable muddle as this – Scheherazadian Arabic narrative which takes a Broadway back-seat when the Genie’s centre-stage – but it’s a treat to the eyes, from the Chaplin-esque Magic Carpet, to Busby Berkley music numbers, to Lawrence of Arabia in pen and ink. And Disney knows how to do visually inventive on stage: for all the criticism of The Lion King it made you believe, long before War Horse, that pieces of wood on someone’s head was a gazelle gracefully galloping or that a mighty man in a silly costume really was the king of the jungle, and Beauty and the Beast recreated the movie so wonderfully that, to my untrained eye, I still don’t know how those cartoon characters came to life, how the beast became a prince again. Disney has a reputation, a standard raised. How, wondered we as we went in, would they do the talking parrot? Elephants on stage? A magic carpet?
You know the answer: it’s a bloke, it’s just some dancers, and the carpet is so shoehorned in that the line explaining it is a joke. As is most of the staging. The market is some cardboard boxes and curtains. The cave is diamonds. The castle is a white wall. The genie came out of an obvious trapdoor. Perhaps it’s simply that this is unfortunate to open almost alongside Harry Potter, where both boundaries are pushed and simple theatrical illusions are well-incorporated, or perhaps it’s that Disney have raised my expectations too high through other work. I loved the choreography: as I say, Casey Nicholaw brings Broadway theatricality whilst respecting the Arabian source, and that amidst the magic a story ABOUT MAGIC requires would be great, but the staging is so cheap, so unimaginative – it’s how you would stage Aladdin were you to stage it in a school with limited means, and whilst sometimes stripped back IS magic, it isn’t when it’s a million-pound Disney project in such a huge theatre, and that truly matters here. When one gets to the finale, one doesn’t expect him to literally turn into a snake, but the expectation of an imaginative substitution is founded on Disney’s track record; to finish this with everyone standing still in a line and two nifty costume changes simply is not good enough for the West End, not good enough for Disney. There’s no attempt to emulate the fantastical transfigurations of the cartoon, nor to replace it with a theatrical variant. There’s just people standing still. Not even something simple choreographed. Just stillness. It was hard not to be underwhelmed.
So duff script with tacked-on ‘big-ideas’ but diminished whimsy, material over-stretched, and a really, really cheap feel to it – surely that would overwhelm any feelings of goodwill towards a moderately entertaining panto? Oh, it does. But... Really, Aladdin isn’t an Arabian fairytale, or a Broadway musical, or a Disney cartoon. It’s a star turn. The movie had Robin Williams doing a child-friendly GOOOOOOOOOD MOOOOOORNING VIETNAM! and getting away with daylight robbery. This has this year’s Olivier winner Trevor Dion Nicholas. Where this fails is underdoing the potential theatricality Aladdin offers, but where this succeeds is casting someone who understands the theatricality of Broadway, the theatricality of Robin Williams and the theatricality of Panto, alongside his own effervescence. If the Nicholas Brothers had a child with Neil Patrick Harris/James Cordern’s Tony Hosts, then there’s been a major moral, biological and time-travelling transgression you’d have this genie. His joy is infectious – when he smiles, you smiles, and boy does he smile – and that goes a long way, but he’s also got a natural charisma, clear affection for the role and the show, one hell of a role to sink his teeth and not insubstantial talent into, and every second he’s on stage it’s perhaps the most fun you can have in the West End at the mo. He sparkles where the show does not. When he comes on it’s a Broadway extravaganza, bringing 42nd Street and Busby Berkley and Broadway razzmatazz galore. When he’s doing this, it’s transcendent. It’s pure Broadway, and (literally) pure gold.
So it’s a curate’s Faberge egg. Am I just being churlish because I wanted more glitz? Again, yes and no; it’s indisputably an awful awful awful lot of fun, but it’s little more than that which it could be, should be and sets us up to be. “Disney’s Aladdin” is a mess, redeemed by one supporting turn: the Aladdin/Jasmine plot is an overstreched underdeveloped muddle which removes an awful lot of the wit from the cartoon (especially as three of the cartoon’s best characters – the carpet, Abu and Iago – are predominantly visual beings) and stumbles on in a slightly clichéd, theatrically underwhelming way. But “Disney’s Genie”, starring Trevor Dion Nicholas – it’s padded out with too much Aladdin malarkey, but what a show that is!
Disclaimer: I may sound like I’m being rude about Shinfield Player’s Theatre. Not at all. It’s the best theatre in the Shinfield area of Reading. They have a standard to maintain. Yesterday they had Dean Friedman.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 12:15:44 GMT
I saw it recently, and DJW's pecs were worth the ticket price and the show breaking down mid-Act 2.
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Post by ctas on Sept 30, 2016 22:55:27 GMT
Thought it was worth noting here- tried lottery today because there was a cover Aladdin to check out and also I noticed a lot of seats spare for the performance and had a hunch they might be added to the lottery. Hunch turned out to be dead right - hardly anyone left the lottery empty handed (probably around 35-40 seats in the lottery in the end) although we didn't all get seats together it was a fantastic deal. Had some dress circle seats in the end. The full house sign was out by 7pm.
So... if you're looking to go and don't want to pay too much, keep an eye on weekday (even Friday!) evening performances with good availability and throw your name in that lottery drum.
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Post by wickedgrin on Sept 30, 2016 23:07:54 GMT
Good tip - thanks ctas. Pity that never happens with the Book of Mormon lottery! Still never won it and I must have entered around two dozen times!
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Post by Jon on Sept 30, 2016 23:11:50 GMT
Good tip - thanks ctas. Pity that never happens with the Book of Mormon lottery! Still never won it and I must have entered around two dozen times! The Prince Edward does have 500 seats more than the Prince of Wales so it's easier for them to put more unsold tickets in the lottery.
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Post by wickedgrin on Sept 30, 2016 23:16:32 GMT
Yes, that is true and these big theatres take some filling, even with "hit" shows 8 performances a week with all the competition in the WE. Good news for us though as there are usually bargains to be had.
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Post by ctas on Sept 30, 2016 23:18:45 GMT
Good tip - thanks ctas. Pity that never happens with the Book of Mormon lottery! Still never won it and I must have entered around two dozen times! It's happened to me for Book of Mormon lottery, but they usually add less seats and it doesn't happen as often. They added 8 extra pairs on a Saturday matinee in July which thoroughly shocked me! That time I bagged myself one of those £150 overpriced nonsense seats for the lottery £20, an absolute steal. Again I think it'd be a case of picking the day carefully and keeping an eye on the Delfont Mackintosh site. Couldn't believe how many tickets went in the Aladdin lottery today but if it means they can put their house full sign out then fair enough!
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Post by hitmewithurbethshot on Oct 6, 2016 23:36:20 GMT
Saw the show on Tuesday (2nd time seeing it if you count once on Broadway) so here are some long-winded thoughts on it:
Casting was top-notch. I'd seen Dean, Jade and Nathan previously in other shows (Here Lies Love and In the Heights) and enjoyed their performances and they did well here too. Dean and Jade did very well on the comedy (especially considering their characters aren't much beyond pretty faces), Dean going high pitched when he's forced to lie or improvise, and Jade doing a great "crazy woman" act when she's caught stealing in the marketplace. I'm going to join the masses here and say this is rightfully Trevor's show, he must be downing espresso shots backstage to have so much energy! The only real flaw with the genie (which is more of a writing issue) is that he's so fast and wisecracking half the time you can't tell what he's saying and jokes get lost. The stage genie goes about as fast as the movie genie, but the movie had the luxury of being able to animate along to the speech: lip movements could be exaggerated and the genie could shift into different shapes and characters e.g. when he's saying he can't bring people back from the dead he makes himself look like a zombie; basically even if you missed what he was saying you could still understand what he meant.
I'm glad the Sultan character has been changed to a dignified, well-intentioned ruler whose flaw is trusting people too easily, rather than the 4 foot buffoon from the film. The show would be unbearable with that much buffoonery.
Jafar is more or less the same as the film, deliciously evil but stopping just short of pantomimey. Iago however hasn't translated to stage well, where genies could stray away from Robin Williams' portrayal Stage Iago is essentially Gilbert Gottfried 2.0, but even more annoying with less reason for being so. In the film I got the impression that only Jafar could understand Iago so he had free reign to be as loud and tactless as he liked, so here he's acting the same but now he's just a rude man (maybe the loudness is supposed to be a Napoleon complex?).
While I'm on the subject of useless characters, Aladdin's 3 friends have next to no plot relevance or characterisation, which is what you'd expect when you try to make 3 walking, talking humans take the place of 1 tiny speechless monkey from the film. They're indistinguishable and interchangeable except for maybe Babkak, who only stands out by being "the fat one" and OH DEAR GOD THE FAT JOKES. It wouldn't annoy me so much if there weren't so many of them and they weren't all assigned to Babkak, since they're more general food jokes (like "I feel awful" "did someone say falafel?") and could play into the fact they're all easily distracted and have difficulty focussing on the task in hand. Instead when Babkak mentions food every scene you just feel like the writers are telling you HAHA THE FAT ONE IS IN PRISON/A FIGHT/A ROBBERY AND HES THINKING ABOUT FOOD.
Finally (and I'll stop ranting soon I promise) the stakes and character development are noticeably lacking in comparison to the film, which we must note is about half an hour shorter than the stage show. The final sequence where Jafar has the lamp and goes power-crazy before Aladdin defeats him is a 10 minute (if that) anti-climax in the show. The film had tension, Al was tied up and thrown in the sea, Jasmine was buried by sand in a giant hourglass and there were several moments where the main characters could have died. On stage you have... Jasmine in handcuffs. The wedding scene just has about 3 beats of Jafar: I wish for evil thing! Genie: here is evil thing Everyone else: oh no! One after the other with barely enough time to process one before the next comes along. The script in general is under par, you can see a lot of gags coming a mile off especially from Iago and The Three Scimiteers (came up with that myself 😄).
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Post by HereForTheatre on Oct 7, 2016 7:44:54 GMT
I thought the 3 friends were one of the ebst things about the show personally. I enjoyed them a lot and thought their big number High Adventure was a highlight.
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Post by wickedgrin on Oct 7, 2016 10:53:52 GMT
Yes, I enjoyed the three friends too. They made up for a rather bland Aladdin - whether it was the part itself or Dean John Wilson's performance I wasn't quite sure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 12:21:07 GMT
I think its largely because DJW doesn't come across as the 'underdog' that the Aladdin character is supposed to represent, that person you are constantly rooting for… His ridiculous physique (Aladdin barely eats - you'd need to be on a 4,000 calorie diet for a body like that) and obnoxious confidence just don't equal streetrat-who-deserves-a-chance. The movie presents him as somewhat less of a 'jack the lad' and more of the underdog. Ugh. DJW is most likely bored of this role anyway, and is already campaigning for a spot in Hamilton.
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Post by wickedgrin on Oct 7, 2016 12:44:07 GMT
DJW is most likely bored of this role anyway, and is already campaigning for a spot in Hamilton. Yes, at the performance I saw DJW did seem to be just marking through the performance - seemingly happy to let others do the work. Even his big solo number "Proud of Your Boy" (?) seemed under powered.
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Post by SamB (was badoerfan) on Oct 7, 2016 12:45:28 GMT
DJW is most likely bored of this role anyway, and is already campaigning for a spot in Hamilton. Yes, at the performance I saw DJW did seem to be just marking through the performance - seemingly happy to let others do the work. Even his big solo number "Proud of Your Boy" (?) seemed under powered. It seemed that way during the preview I saw, so I doubt it's to do with him being bored of the role.
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Post by wickedgrin on Oct 7, 2016 12:52:16 GMT
I put it down to being a mid-week matinee when I saw the show. Not that that is any excuse of course as the theatre was packed with people who had paid up to £70 (or more) for a ticket! It's clearly just his performance. Shame, such an amazing opportunity for such a young performer - it could have made him!
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Post by Michael on Oct 7, 2016 12:57:28 GMT
I've said it before, they should have given Stephen Rahman-Hughes the role of Aladdin instead. And no, I don't think he's too old, in fact I think DJW is way too young for Aladdin.
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Post by wickedgrin on Oct 7, 2016 13:00:21 GMT
It would be interesting to see the show again at cast change or an understudy performance of Aladdin. Although it's a show I would struggle to sit through again quite frankly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 13:25:59 GMT
To be fair, I don't think any actor could have been made by the role of Aladdin. The only role with any worth in the show is the genie.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 13:34:31 GMT
It's true. Aladdin is not the star role. He's the object you have to move around to tell the story. He's just an older, buffer Oliver Twist to the Genie's Fagin.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 13:39:48 GMT
Yes, at the performance I saw DJW did seem to be just marking through the performance - seemingly happy to let others do the work. Even his big solo number "Proud of Your Boy" (?) seemed under powered. It seemed that way during the preview I saw, so I doubt it's to do with him being bored of the role. But those pecs . . . .
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Post by wickedgrin on Oct 7, 2016 14:39:20 GMT
Yes, glistening with sweat the hot afternoon I saw the show!
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